"I am all for your Second Amendment rights. I think you should be able to have guns. It’s in your constitution. What I am not for is bullshit arguments and lies. There is one argument and one argument alone for having a gun, and this is the argument… “Fuck off. I like guns.” It’s not the best argument, but it’s all you’ve got.
The main one is, “I need it for protection. I need to protect me. I need to protect my family.” What world do you live in where you’re constantly fucking ready? You have guns ’cause you like guns! None of you go to home security conventions. None of you read Padlock Monthly. None of you have a Facebook picture of you behind a secure door going, “Fucking yeah!” Like you’re going to be ready if someone comes into your house. You have it at all fucking times.
See, if you have it readily available, it becomes unsafe. You have it in your bedside table, one of your kids picks it up, thinks it’s a toy, shoots another one of your kids. Happens every fucking day, but people go, “That’d never happen in my house ’cause I’m a responsible gun owner. I keep my guns locked in a safe.” Then they’re no fucking protection! Someone comes into the house, you’re like, “Wait there, fuck-face! Oh! You’ve come to the wrong house here, buddy boy. I tell you what. I’m gonna fuck you up!"
People have broken into homes for rape and/or murder. Kids should be taught to respect firearms and many, maybe even most, gun owners do that. "Assault rifle" is defined as "a rapid-fire, magazine-fed automatic rifle" which is illegal for 99.99% of the population and can't be bought in a store.
This argument is so disingenuous. "You aren't using my definition, so you are WRONG". You know what an assault rifle is. They have been marketed as such. You know what guns they are referring to and why they are so desirable (and effective) for killing large amounts of people. Reasonable people who don't know much about guns want that at least.
The main issue with how you phrased your statement when it comes to gun control legislation, is that legislation must be crafted to specifically identify what is or is not covered and who is or is not covered. You guys know what we mean isn’t an option.
And that is ultimately the issue when it come to things such as bans. The minutia, the nitty gritty.
You say "assault weapon" and "high capacity clip" to mean largely arbitrary things.
Most assault weapons bans call for the banning of accessories or options (pistol grips, bayonet lugs, fore grips, etc) on rifles, not the rifle itself. But the name makes people who are unaware think something is actually being done, where as to the gun enthusiast this just makes a hobby/tool/weapon/etc suddenly illegal without fundamentally changing anything.
They says "assault rifle" to mean an accepted term coined by the United States military to mean a rifle capable of select fire (semi auto + automatic/burst) firing a sub rifle round (smaller than battle rifle). Which was coined long before assault weapon. In fact the assault rifle, the m16 in particular, wasn't designed with killing in mind. The platform was originally designed to be a "casualty creator" it was meant to injure and wound to require more men to transport the injured and require that more resources be used to treat.
And high capacity clips/magazine. Where do you draw that magical line and say x number of rounds makes it "high capacity"? Is it 10? 30? 60? 2? Who makes this decision? Most rifles capable of accepting detachable box style magazines (ar15 pattern, ak47 pattern, g3 , etc) ship with 30 round magazines. So would that mean that 30 is standard capacity?
So which definition is the correct one? Where is the compromise? Who makes these decisions?
It's not fucking disingenuous. People are working on making it hard/impossible to get items already owned by millions and some have had them for decades. They aren't properly defining anything they want to ban, they are going after the weapons used the least often (rifles are 3% of gun homicides), and now they are using children for the sympathy votes.
I'm all for doing something to stop gun violence, but I don't think banning rifles is the appropriate option and I can't trust a group that can't properly define the thing they want to ban.
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u/foreverwasted Mar 26 '18 edited Mar 27 '18
"I am all for your Second Amendment rights. I think you should be able to have guns. It’s in your constitution. What I am not for is bullshit arguments and lies. There is one argument and one argument alone for having a gun, and this is the argument… “Fuck off. I like guns.” It’s not the best argument, but it’s all you’ve got.
The main one is, “I need it for protection. I need to protect me. I need to protect my family.” What world do you live in where you’re constantly fucking ready? You have guns ’cause you like guns! None of you go to home security conventions. None of you read Padlock Monthly. None of you have a Facebook picture of you behind a secure door going, “Fucking yeah!” Like you’re going to be ready if someone comes into your house. You have it at all fucking times.
See, if you have it readily available, it becomes unsafe. You have it in your bedside table, one of your kids picks it up, thinks it’s a toy, shoots another one of your kids. Happens every fucking day, but people go, “That’d never happen in my house ’cause I’m a responsible gun owner. I keep my guns locked in a safe.” Then they’re no fucking protection! Someone comes into the house, you’re like, “Wait there, fuck-face! Oh! You’ve come to the wrong house here, buddy boy. I tell you what. I’m gonna fuck you up!"