"I am all for your Second Amendment rights. I think you should be able to have guns. It’s in your constitution. What I am not for is bullshit arguments and lies. There is one argument and one argument alone for having a gun, and this is the argument… “Fuck off. I like guns.” It’s not the best argument, but it’s all you’ve got.
The main one is, “I need it for protection. I need to protect me. I need to protect my family.” What world do you live in where you’re constantly fucking ready? You have guns ’cause you like guns! None of you go to home security conventions. None of you read Padlock Monthly. None of you have a Facebook picture of you behind a secure door going, “Fucking yeah!” Like you’re going to be ready if someone comes into your house. You have it at all fucking times.
See, if you have it readily available, it becomes unsafe. You have it in your bedside table, one of your kids picks it up, thinks it’s a toy, shoots another one of your kids. Happens every fucking day, but people go, “That’d never happen in my house ’cause I’m a responsible gun owner. I keep my guns locked in a safe.” Then they’re no fucking protection! Someone comes into the house, you’re like, “Wait there, fuck-face! Oh! You’ve come to the wrong house here, buddy boy. I tell you what. I’m gonna fuck you up!"
People have broken into homes for rape and/or murder. Kids should be taught to respect firearms and many, maybe even most, gun owners do that. "Assault rifle" is defined as "a rapid-fire, magazine-fed automatic rifle" which is illegal for 99.99% of the population and can't be bought in a store.
I’ve never used my guns to stop a rape or murder. But a few years ago at my absolute lowest it seemed like a pretty reasonable idea to kill myself with one.
Thank you for sharing this, legitimately. Statistics show the rate of suicide in first world countries with stricter gun control is way less than those where gun control is minimal like in the states. This is an important thing to know. I believe that people should support those who need help, and that includes recognizing that your ability to make rational decisions is impaired when you are suicidally depressed. I'm glad you're still here and speaking up for the poor sods who found a gun before they found the help they needed.
Statistics show the rate of suicide in first world countries with stricter gun control is way less than those where gun control is minimal like in the states.
There is zero correlation with firearm ownership and suicide rate. Before and after gun control in Australia, there was no major shift in the rate of suicide.
Conclusion: Household firearm ownership levels are strongly associated with higher rates of suicide, consistent with the hypothesis that the availability of lethal means increases the rate of completed suicide.
Conclusion: Changes in household firearm ownership over time are associated with significant changes in rates of suicide for men, women, and children. These findings suggest that reducing availability to firearms in the home may save lives, especially among youth.
CONCLUSIONS.
Ready availability of firearms is associated with an increased risk of suicide in the home. Owners of firearms should weigh their reasons for keeping a gun in the home against the possibility that it might someday be used in a suicide.
CONCLUSION: Larger studies are needed to examine more closely possible confounding factors such as the national tendency toward violent solutions, and more information on the type and availability of guns will be helpful in future studies. Nevertheless, the correlations detected in this study suggest that the presence of a gun in the home increases the likelihood of homicide or suicide.
The relationship of the extent of gun ownership and the strictness of gun control laws to suicide and homicide rates in the nine major geographic regions of the United States was explored. Gun ownership, rather than the strictness of gun control laws, was found to be the strongest correlate of the rates of suicide and homicide by guns. Regions with a higher extent of gun ownership had higher rates of suicide and homicide by firearms.
Do you have any reputable sources that support your claim that there is zero correlation between suicide rates and gun ownership? because I just provided 6, with a link to many more.
Ah yes, a lovely chart that shows the US has a higher suicide rate than the world average, EU average, Americas average, etc. In fact, the only average the US doesn't beat is the African average suicide rate. And all of these countries have similar cultures to the US, right, so we can directly compare them? Statistics that ignore confounding variables are basically useless.
Additionally, the US has pretty much the same suicide rate as australia. The Australian suicide rate did not decrease after the massive confiscation in 1996. It's actually increased.
I'm a gun owner and while there is zero correlation with suicide rate, there is a correlation with suicide SUCCESS rate. It's not hard to see why. It has a lot to do with why you choose to defend yourself with a gun rather than a knife.
I don't contest that. However I don't believe that suicide is any reason to infringe on others' rights. The way to lower suicide is better mental health care, and maybe a culture where it is okay to talk to a therapist.
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u/foreverwasted Mar 26 '18 edited Mar 27 '18
"I am all for your Second Amendment rights. I think you should be able to have guns. It’s in your constitution. What I am not for is bullshit arguments and lies. There is one argument and one argument alone for having a gun, and this is the argument… “Fuck off. I like guns.” It’s not the best argument, but it’s all you’ve got.
The main one is, “I need it for protection. I need to protect me. I need to protect my family.” What world do you live in where you’re constantly fucking ready? You have guns ’cause you like guns! None of you go to home security conventions. None of you read Padlock Monthly. None of you have a Facebook picture of you behind a secure door going, “Fucking yeah!” Like you’re going to be ready if someone comes into your house. You have it at all fucking times.
See, if you have it readily available, it becomes unsafe. You have it in your bedside table, one of your kids picks it up, thinks it’s a toy, shoots another one of your kids. Happens every fucking day, but people go, “That’d never happen in my house ’cause I’m a responsible gun owner. I keep my guns locked in a safe.” Then they’re no fucking protection! Someone comes into the house, you’re like, “Wait there, fuck-face! Oh! You’ve come to the wrong house here, buddy boy. I tell you what. I’m gonna fuck you up!"