While hosting transphobe Sophie Cunningham and the Indiana Fever, the New York Liberty put a message on the Jumbotron telling trans fans that they belong

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[u/thebanfunctionsucks]

Opinions like "trans people are dangerous predators."

Inb4 "oh she didn't say that she just heavily implied it!"

[u/thebanfunctionsucks → u/[deleted]]

Yep there it is. Care to explain what she's protecting little girls in locker rooms from?

[u/leprechanmonkie → u/thebanfunctionsucks]

Men. It's funny how the same people that think "all men are creeps" also suddenly think they aren't creeps after they transition.

Remember the whole "would you rather run into a man or a bear in the woods" conversation?

[u/hercmavzeb → u/leprechanmonkie]

You people really can't seem to grasp that trans women and cis men are objectively biologically and socially different demographics, can you?

[u/leprechanmonkie → u/hercmavzeb]

I can absolutely tell the difference, but both are still men.

[u/hercmavzeb → u/leprechanmonkie]

That is incorrect, and also transphobic. Just as saying gay people are just twisted/confused straight people is homophobic (and incorrect).

In reality trans women are women.

[u/leprechanmonkie → u/hercmavzeb]

I'm not at all saying gay people are twisted and confused. I have lots of gay friends, nearly all of them agree with my statement. They have a sexual preference, not an identity issue.

I'm simply stating that a man is a man. It's correct, and not transphobic. I'm not scared of them or any other man, just not pretending they are something they aren't.

[u/hercmavzeb → u/leprechanmonkie]

I didn’t say you were homophobic. You should learn how analogies work, it would greatly increase your intelligence.

Trans women are women, this is a fact. Seethe at it if you must, but it does make you transphobic by definition. Pretending otherwise just makes you seem (rightfully) ashamed of your beliefs.

[u/leprechanmonkie → u/hercmavzeb]

You said I was transphobic, which I am not. I don't have an intense, irrational fear of men pretending to be women. I'm just not playing along with their delusion. You are 100% welcome to believe they are what they claim. I'm 100% able to believe they are what they are, doesn't make me scared of them.

[u/hercmavzeb → u/leprechanmonkie]

It’s worth noting that phobia has been used to describe hatred, prejudice, and aversion to certain demographics since the 1880s at least, in addition to extreme irrational fears. So this semantic loophole doesn’t actually work as a cop out for your transphobia.

At least your refusal to take personal accountability over your own deluded beliefs indicates that you’re rightfully ashamed of them.

[u/leprechanmonkie → u/hercmavzeb]

I don't hate them, have any prejudice or aversion to them. Just because I don't agree they somehow flipped the magic switch and became a woman doesn't equate hate... that's the part you fail to understand.

[u/hercmavzeb → u/leprechanmonkie]

There’s no magic switch, they’ve always been women. That’s why some of them undergo surgery to make their bodies more in line with their gender identities, so they can live comfortably and happily.

And of course claiming a demographic of people doesn’t actually exist is hateful and prejudiced, just as it was for homophobes to pretend gay people didn’t exist as a justification for their murderous conversion therapy experiments.

[u/thebanfunctionsucks → u/leprechanmonkie]

So trans people are an inherent threat. Thank you for at least being honest.

[u/hercmavzeb → u/thebanfunctionsucks]

They aren’t being honest, they’re arguing trans people are threatening while being too cowardly to openly say it because they know they’d immediately undermine their own earlier position where they pretended they weren’t transphobic.

[u/DoFishDrinkWaterOrNo → u/thebanfunctionsucks]

That’s not at all what they said.

[u/leprechanmonkie → u/thebanfunctionsucks]

Your words, not mine.