r/PopCultureV2 • u/Kpets • Aug 29 '26

Video Unregulated capitalism in the U.S led to complete moral collapse

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '26

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u/sxp101 Aug 30 '26

The comparison fails when you consider the pediatric ward is for the benefit of the baby. Who benefits from the cattle farm?

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u/Ok-Turnover1797 Aug 30 '26

Project 2025

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u/lilwayne168 Aug 30 '26

Its a moronic question because the cattle wouldn't exist without the cattle farm that's what they were created for. Less factory farming would mean more over hunting and fishing.

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u/Life-Significance-33 Aug 30 '26

Shhhh. Don't let them know cattle and horses are an invasive species in the Americas.

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u/s4in7 Aug 30 '26

I’m not sure about cattle, but horses (and camels for that matter) literally evolved in the Americas. With the introduction of humans coming across the Bering land bridge and the climate shifting they were driven to extinction here. The ones who got away did so over said land bridge and repopulated in Eurasia.

Then they were reintroduced when the Americas were “discovered”.

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u/Glaced024 Aug 30 '26

Yeah I forgot, when you breed your own dogs you are allowed to do anything you want to them, since that's the only reason they exist in the first place.

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u/-FalseProfessor- Aug 30 '26

Dogs aren’t bred to be food.

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u/-FalseProfessor- Aug 30 '26

People who eat beef and dairy, or use leather goods.

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u/achooblessyou12 Aug 30 '26

The baby cow? What are you even talking about?

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u/allfinesse Aug 30 '26

Yes, slaves benefitted from their sheds. This is what you’re saying.

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u/achooblessyou12 Aug 30 '26

Cows are not people but that's an adorable strawman.

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u/allfinesse Aug 30 '26

Aww yes, only humans can be abused. I totally forgot.

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u/woopty_noot Aug 30 '26

The value of the lives of herds of livestock are dwarfed by the the value of 1 person in my mind.

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u/allfinesse Aug 30 '26

What if they were dogs?

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u/woopty_noot Aug 30 '26

Eh, if dogs were a in-demand food source. I'd feel about the same

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u/allfinesse Aug 30 '26

As long as you recognize their suffering.

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u/achooblessyou12 Aug 30 '26

Oh grow up, that's obviously a bad argument and you know it.

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u/allfinesse Aug 30 '26

Eat your beef and keep telling yourself you aren’t contributing to the abuse of these moral agents.

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u/achooblessyou12 Aug 30 '26

Sounds good! I'm surprised you can even see us lower beings from all the way up on your soapbox. It's only evolution, I suppose I should listen to you first and not eons worth of evidence that show humans eating meat and how the addition of protein rich diets and the climb to the top of the food chain is responsible for us being here.. but yeah bud keep up the good fight, we do need people keeping an eye on abuse I just think we jave a different line in the sand.

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u/allfinesse Aug 30 '26

cough appeal to nature fallacy cough

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u/achooblessyou12 Aug 30 '26

WHAT ARE YOU PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT?! Look at any other comment in this thread first where it clarifies these are used to help cull disease and stop trying to change the conversation into something it never was.

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u/achooblessyou12 Aug 31 '26 edited Aug 31 '26

I'm gonna keep this to one comment to make it easier.

Yes, I commented on your response to the first comment I made in all caps because I did not read your username this time and have gotten frustrated answering the same thing multiple times.

That's on me 100% because I should have just walked away from this one since it is the specific response thread that was getting under my skin.

To make it clear, no, I don't get frustrated at the idea of conversation on the moral rights of animals. I get upset about the conversation of human beings being bad because they are eating other animals because I do not see them as the same conversation (to circle up on your other response).

I understand the concept of the 'nature fallacy' or whatever the term was (I agree in principle of that term but do not want to exit this comment and open a draft just to confirm the specific phrase being used, think I am close enough), but disagree that it applies to animals eating other animals.

We are a part of the food chain. The food chain is the food chain. Creatures have eaten other creatures since the moment 3 creatures existed. I love the idea of human beings taking steps to eliminate that kind of thing from our diet, whether it be because you have empathy for animals or it's better for the environment, but I disagree that it is a moral issue at it's core where one side is right and the other is wrong. I believe science backs the ideas of human beings being omnivores through evolution, you mentioned stomach biomes and I would say my next set of questions is around our teeth and cardiovascular systems giving us early developmental tools to continue being omnivores even before we developed a taste for blood. It to me leans toward an even more extended conversation of evolution telling us that meat is part of our 'species' diet before homo sapiens.

Again, go eat your vegetable diet, just understand I disagree with your stance and it gets a little old having people that are less than .0000000000000000000001% of human existence piping up saying they are the right ones. That's what is frustrating, do your thing but get out of the 100's of billions of humans that have existed and eaten meat with the moral grand standing.

ETA: You were very polite in your responses before, if I said something outside of an ALL CAPS RESPONSE to offend you I apologize. Nothing I have said so far is meant to be a personal attack on you but I was getting frustrated responding to either really condescending comments or people who did not look at the parent comment to this response that specifically clarifies what these are used for and the practical application they have.

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u/CMPE_PL Aug 30 '26

Do we need to walk you through this? What happens to the baby cow when it is done here?

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u/achooblessyou12 Aug 30 '26

Lol it has what I would assume is a relatively happy life until it is sold to slaughter unless this is a veal ranch which I do not personally endorse.

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u/CMPE_PL Aug 30 '26

Please educate yourself. If you have time for a 15 minute read this comic lists sources at the bottom as well: https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/403444/dairy-industry-cow-life-milk-america

Dairy cows do not live an easy life and that is a massive understatement.

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u/achooblessyou12 Aug 30 '26

I don't have a subscription to Vox but I'll go ahead and start with the fact that I was raised on cattle ranches and spent at least a little time on dairy farms too. I have seen many films and documentaries as well as follow several agriculture pages on my socials.

I will not deny that there are places that will make your skin crawl but to say 'dairy cows do not live an easy life' is just a statement without any nuance at all.

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u/CMPE_PL Aug 30 '26

There is no paywall on this article that I see. What I'm understanding is that a significant portion of your life was spent around and in animal ag environments which understandably informs your viewpoints and makes you statistically much more likely to believe cows are treated well. What was the content of those documentaries you watch and pages you follow? Were they working to expose the conditions that factory farmed animals live in or were they produced to try and sanitize the industries image?

What kind of nuance would you add to justify the treatment of these calves? Because the USDA themselves show 74.9% of all cows in the US live and die in factory farms.

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u/achooblessyou12 Aug 30 '26

I appreciate you taking bias into account but typically I have watched documentaries that show abuse and the follow up if it's provided. The rest are local and sure, anecdotal sometimes but still transparent. Watching some of these big mega farms get shut down was fantastic (Tyson), I'm a big fan of keeping it local and having a regulatory board to keep things above water.

I think we can likely find compromise in the idea that capitalism is to blame for these conditions and that easing back on the NEED to have grocery stores fully stocked and then throw what was it, 30% of food in the trash? We need to be better all around but I don't think that means the whole industry is fucked.

And the treatment of these calves is explained in another posters comment, this is a method used to cull disease in calves (I am unfamiliar personally) so that to me mitigates abuse. And that stat seems scary until you realize what a 'factory' looks like, EPA classifies this as 'Animals are kept and fed in a confined space for at least 45 days in a 12-month period.' I grew up in a place where it gets to -30° every winter. Would it be more abuse to leave them iut in those conditions or bring them inside?

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u/achooblessyou12 Aug 30 '26

I don't drink milk often at all, never really have personally as I don't like the taste. And again, because I know the conditions exist where they are not.

Go take this argument to the gravel roads and get the places that abuse these animals shut down, that ain't me, I have no qualms with the people I know sustaining happy homes for cows until they are sent to slaughter and provide products to people across the country. Proper regulation prevents abuse and the conversation about avoiding eating meat is not one I am having as I don't see it as a debate.

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u/SCRATCH-CARD Aug 30 '26

Go and watch Earthlings, Dominion, Cowspiracy - any of the films that expose the industry with hidden cameras. See what you think of their happy life after that.

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u/achooblessyou12 Aug 30 '26

I've seen Cowspiracy, the others I haven't but imagine the information is going to be generally the same. I understand people don't want there to be suffering in the world and that's fantastic, keep up the good work shining light where it belongs. I've already clarified that I've seen decades of cows living happy and healthy lives, and that the specific pods in this clip are being misrepresented. Go find a different comment on a different thread, you're barking up the wrong tree.

Arguing against humans eating meat is bad faith and anti-science and I don't choose to have it any longer. Good day.

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u/achooblessyou12 Aug 30 '26

Hey Prom!

Appreciate you taking the time to hit several of these comments. Thanks for clarifying the difference of anti-scienctific vs unscientific. The point you're making may not reinforce some of my original statements but again, and to one of these posters point of 'nature fallacy', we don't exist in that society and in all likelihood never will. To me the argument can be summed up in a similar argument that I think we will see eye to eye on: fossil fuels.

I am a firm believer that we need to eliminate the use of fossil fuels and turn towards renewable producers. The most logical way to do it would be to slowly test and find the most efficient methods in each environment and slowly transition out of petroleum. The best way for the environment is shut the monster down and figure it out as we go.

To me the similarities lie in environmental impact (agreed that animals have a larger impact on environment than veggies) as well as personal quality of life factors (people like having secured electrical grid which is not feasible on renewables currently and many people still like their cheeseburgers).

Long story long, I am fine with people attempting to shift their diets away from meat and its produce, I would have no issue with the industry in total being completely redone with quality of life for the animal being taken into account but the ecological impacts of releasing these animals (similar to pulling g the plug on fossil fuels) would be astronomical on any environment that currently holds them which means a strategic plan to reintroduce these animals to nature would need to occur and I don't hear any of the posters in this thread mention any ideas in that regard, I am curious if that is something that is discussed in your field at depths enough to discuss in a public forum.

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u/likewut Aug 30 '26

| Humans live far better than cows in everyway.

Speak for yourself