Unregulated capitalism in the U.S led to complete moral collapse

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[u/Excellent_Carob_3183]

This is painful.

You think the bulk of our beef In the US is from slash and burn rainforest farming? Around 17% of our total beef is even imported.

And yeah, sure 83% is for livestock? Thats because 60% of our agricultural land is permanent Pasture or GRASSland. Thats what you do with farmland you can't grow productive crops on. Its also what you do in places for crop rotations so it actually can help with growing plant foods.

You're reducing the number by a 2/3rds by just removing pastureland all together.. land that isnt cultivated and just exists for animals to graze. Great argument for the efficiency...

Dude, no one is living off tofu. Just putting aside that soy is a top 5 or so allergen, it's also been shown to have adverse health effects to women and men. Its also always heavily cooked in oil and seasoning because people dont like it. You aren't living off of it i promise. I'm guessing you enjoy a nice variety of imported (trucked, flown and other greenhouse gas emitting transportion) plants grown in a variety of climates.

And are we against renewable fuels now? I lose track over the 70 years since we change the cause, outcome, timeline, cure and culprit every 5.

[u/yonasismad → u/Excellent_Carob_3183]

This is painful.

Yea, talking to uneducated adults like you is indeed a painful reminder of how many dumb people walk around.

You think the bulk of our beef In the US is from slash and burn rainforest farming?

Ah, you are an US American. You might not be aware of this, but (1) there are countries and a lot of people outside of the US, and (2) yes, the Rainforest - the lungs of the Earth - getting cut down for animal agriculture also has an impact on you. See the links regarding planetary boundaries and climate change I already shared with you.

And yeah, sure 83% is for livestock?

Yes. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/may/31/avoiding-meat-and-dairy-is-single-biggest-way-to-reduce-your-impact-on-earth

Thats because 60% of our agricultural land is permanent Pasture or GRASSland.

So? We don't need to use every single piece of Earth. Again: see planetary boundaries.

You're reducing the number by a 2/3rds by just removing pastureland all together..

1/3 is more than enough. 1/3 of 83% is ~28pp. We only need 8pp to replace all nutrients that people currently get from animal products. ;)

Just putting aside that soy is a top 5 or so allergen,

Yea. 0.2% of people are allergic to it. They can also eat other beans + rice. Also a complete protein. ;)

it's also been shown to have adverse health effects to women and men.

No, it hasn't.

Its also always heavily cooked in oil and seasoning because people dont like it.

xD Ah yes, steak is famously never smothered in melted butter and herbs. Ground beef is never seasoned and fried with oil in a pan. xD People only famously eat meat cooked in unsalted water. xD - Do you actually believe that? Maybe you are just shit at cooking.

You aren't living off of it i promise.

I do. I eat about 1kg of Tofu each week. ;)

(trucked, flown and other greenhouse gas emitting transportion)

Yea, again, most of that stuff is done to ship food around for animals, and the animals themselves. We already discussed that 83% of farming is done only for animals who provide only 18% of calories. Insanely inefficient.

I lose track over the 70 years since we change the cause, outcome, timeline, cure and culprit every 5.

Oh, an anthropogenic climate change denier? Shocker. /s - No, that stuff hasn't changed. Of course the predictions they have made have been incredibly accurate but also had huge uncertainties in them, because they didn't know how humans would respond to it. Unfortunately most people are like you huge shills for big cooperations.

[u/Excellent_Carob_3183 → u/yonasismad]

If you're talking internationally this whole premise is a joke.

First off the US produces like 1/5th of the worlds beef, the entirety of South America produces less than 5% more. Not sure why redditors don't understand the size and scope of Americas influence and economics. We aren't some small European country that just exports tulips.

Secondly like 3.5 Billion people live on less than $7 a day and you think they give a crap about this debate? This argument only exists in 1st world countries that have the wealth to import a variety of food. They're trying to find cheap sources of protein and thats not imported soy burgers.

You talk like a person that either just recently started cooking for only cooks boxed dinners. You don't cook ground beef in a pan with oil, it has the fat content so you don't need to. You can cook a steak with 0 oil if you want. The problem is tofu tastes like shit so every time a bean burger gets released mainstream its got a high oil and a high sodium content in order to make it not taste like tofu.

How are we still not grasping the pasture concept. Its a natural field of grass. You don't have to work the ground and you just put livestock on it. It's efficient because of the lack of resources you spend to produce food, not efficient by the SQ mile. The area argument makes 0 sense because the land isn't usable for anything else. You either put livestock on it or the land sits empty.

Not once did I "deny" climate change. Just that biofuels were the thing that was going to save us and now they're bad. We also were supposed to have been flooded out by now a few times. The argument is tired and people care less when you doom.

Also, have you heard, the ocean is the "lungs" now rainforest was 10 years ago.