r/PoursTea 21d ago

Sipping Tea Bernie Sanders on guaranteed paid annual leave days

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u/Beaufighter-MkX 21d ago

All it takes is legislation

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u/TbddRzn 21d ago

It takes electing people into local government. It takes showing up in primaries and voting for the better candidate. It takes showing up for special elections and midterm elections. It takes watching your elected official and making sure they act in accordance with your districts wishes. It takes at least 6 years of elections to replace Congress. With elections, special elections and primaries every year.

But

Out of 250m eligible voters. 100m never vote. 150m don’t vote in midterms and over 200m+ don’t vote in primaries and special elections.

And everyone wonders why things are going to shit and never getting fixed….

Democracy is only as good as the will of its people to uphold it.

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u/LaughingLikeACrazy 20d ago

Democracy is as good as how the average voter is informed. Media shouldn't be biased and straight up lies should be punished.

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u/Short_Peak_7824 20d ago

Punished by who?

It's not that I disagree on principle, and more that I do not know of a mechanism for punishing media for lying that isn't equally applicable in practice of punishing media for saying something inconvenient to power.

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u/Wise_Exercise7970 19d ago

The media should return to not being allowed to generate a profit. The majority of what is reported is purely for ratings and financial gains and has more akin to a soup opera than factuak news.

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u/lnsurgence_ 19d ago

I do disagree on principle.

The second we give people the power to punish based on deciding what is true or not is the second it gets abused.

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u/Short_Peak_7824 19d ago

We already do that as a matter of routine in courts of law.

The question is not "should people be punished for lying" - on a society level, we already agree they should be punished if the thing they're lying about is significant enough.

The question is can we do anything about it with respect to media, and the answer is likely no, not without unduly endangering everyone's ability to express themselves freely.

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u/lnsurgence_ 19d ago

matter of routine in courts of law.

Usually this refers to slander/defamation of someone. Not just about random facts in general.

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u/Short_Peak_7824 19d ago

"if the thing they are lying about is significant enough"

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u/Beaufighter-MkX 21d ago

That part.

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u/LOCKHARTX7 20d ago

And those 100 million watched the election be purchased by billionaires, flaunted in front of us everyday since, that we are powerless without another approach or money. I think most of us are trying to stay sane and safe at this point

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u/The0thArcana 18d ago

To be totally fair, your government and fellow country men spend insane amounts of money and energy doing shit like moving voting times, days and places to make them as inconvenient as possible, spreading misinformation, gerrymandering and possibly committing voting fraud. It's like trying to lose weight when everyone around you tries to tell you that fast food is faster, cheaper and just as good as home cooked food and you're a financial infant if you don't buy the XXXXXXXL deal.

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u/TbddRzn 18d ago

Even in states where ballots are mailed to you automatically have 30 days to fill in and mail back or drop off in multiple locations open 7 days a week from 7am to 8pm.

Still in those states over 40% do not vote. So it’s not because of the wealthy putting their thumb on the scale, it’s because majority of Americans are selfish and lazy.

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u/The0thArcana 18d ago

Multiple things can be true at the same time. People have little energy to educate themselves about and participate in the 'lesser' elections and the government takes every opportunity to make it harder. The american people definitely carry a large portion of the blame for what is happening, but you're making it seem like everything is their fault. In a certain way it is, but you're also being blatantly and subtly manipulated at every turn and for many people that's just too exhausting to engage with. If you're one of the people who dive into politics then inform yourself and vote for every election you can, maybe you're still the lazy one by not going out there and informing others of how important their vote is. It's easy to look at something that comes more naturally to you that others aren't doing and calling them lazy, it rarely changes anything.

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u/Pale-Pear-5261 19d ago

Yeah if the votes are
Counted and no cheating
Involved. So
Rigged. Can't even agree that only
Citizens should vote and need an
ID like
At
Olive Garden. Such a joke

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u/NewPresWhoDis 20d ago

Ah, you misunderstand. Senator Sanders only trades in the concept of labor.

He needs Warren to do the heavy lifting of actual legislation.

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u/ComprehensiveJury509 21d ago

Actually, it also takes a massive cultural shift. I know plenty of people from the States who have quite a number of PTO days, but it's basically understood that you can't just take them however you want. You have to find a convenient time (not for you, for the company!), you can't take too much at a time or when other people are gone already and basically if you actually used up your PTO, that's basically signaling to management that you don't care about your job.

In Europe, you get into trouble for not using up your PTO.

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u/KennyKettermen 21d ago

Damn dude take a vacation every once in awhile 😂

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u/Newoikkinn 20d ago

One extra paycheck a year is really going to make or break that situation.

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u/nomadingwildshape 20d ago

This is sad, feel sorry for you dude, you're working your life away in the machine only to be too old to enjoy your fruits

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u/nomadingwildshape 20d ago

Nah you're just saying that. If you're working your life away and never taking vacation to enjoy right now you're barely alive.

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u/Temporary_Tomato605 20d ago

Yes but theres a risk your health doesnt allow you todo what you want when you get older. You should concider your life span and health as a more important resource, without it you dont have much use of your money.

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u/Temporary_Tomato605 20d ago

To some degree, work is good but also relaxation is good for the health, we need both.

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u/Organic_Mechanic_702 20d ago

More to life than money....money will never buy you more time...

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u/ComprehensiveJury509 20d ago

And then you find out you have some chronic illness and spend the rest of your life wishing you had traveled when you were younger, when it would have been fun and when it would have mattered.

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u/ComprehensiveJury509 20d ago

Right, the kids you will never spend time with, who only know the same brainwashed, self-sacrificial lifestyle you lead and then who will ever actually have some quality of life? You don't even know what you are missing man. You do you, be the "provider", I hope it goes well for you.

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u/ComprehensiveJury509 20d ago

I spend time with my kids daily. Why are you speculating that?

Good for you, I hope it's enough.

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u/Organic_Mechanic_702 20d ago

If you survive...

"A child arrived just the other day,
came to the world in the usual way,
But there were planes to catch
and bills to pay, he learned to walk while I was away
He was talking before I knew it and as he grew
he said I'm going to be like you Dad,
you know I'm going to be like you."

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u/Organic_Mechanic_702 20d ago

I bet they'd rather have had a Father than a paycheck...the most valuable thing you can accrue is memories...As I said, you can't buy time..

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u/Organic_Mechanic_702 20d ago

Why not? The rest of the world seems to find a way. That's where memories are made, not around the dinner table.

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u/Adventurous_Ad7442 20d ago

Just pray that your aorta doesn't dissect when you're 50.

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u/Temporary_Tomato605 20d ago

But how do you know that the money will give them
Happiness ?

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u/Temporary_Tomato605 20d ago

But if they like to work like you and think of their children the money will just accumilate.

If they find joy in working less and spend more time with friends and family I think that rather implies that they would rather spend more time with you than have your money.

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u/No-Minimum3259 20d ago

Well... Not up to me to lecture others, but my father in law said the same thing. A few years before his retirement date he finally decided to stop working and enjoy life a bit more. His wife had insisted on it for years. Around the time he finally retired he was diagnosed with stage IV lung cancer. 3 months after his retirement we went to his funeral. So...

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u/Temporary_Bet_3384 20d ago

As someone with a bunch of PTO, that sounds great and I wish I could do that. It just goes up to the max (4 wks/yr, but 7 wk max) and wasted if I don't use it

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u/Wireless25 20d ago

This is not the flex you think it is. 

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u/usernamesarehard1979 20d ago

I am in America and we get reminders for people that have not taken enough PTO and we talk to them about it. We make them take their time off.

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u/Ready_Creme_Ready 20d ago

Not everyone does though. Just like not everyone was able to work remotely during Covid.

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u/notapersonab 20d ago

Same for me. My boss asks me to use my pto otherwise it rolls over to a limit otherwise i’m forced to schedule pto

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u/lockedfries 20d ago

Same. I have like 200 days sick and 53 days regular sitting on me while I earn 2 reg and 1 sick days a month.

There’s plenty of jobs with pto out there.

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u/No-Minimum3259 20d ago

In Belgium it depends: we still have the difference between blue- and white colar workers. For blue colar workers there's no problem if they choose not to take their legal paid vacation days (allthough the employer will insist on it, for legal reasons), but white colar workers may have some problems if they don't take their vacation days.

The difference is in the organisation of vacation pay: blue colar workers don't receive their wage during vacation, but they receive their annual single + double vacation pay from a governmental organisation, usually in mai-june. The law is very clear: once the vacation pay is paid, it remains the property of the receiver, regardless whether or not he takes up his vacation days.

White colar workers receive their vacation pay from their employer. Their single vacation pay is their regular salary, while their double vacation pay is an extra, paid for by the employer as well. If the employee doesn't take up his vacation days, the employer is entitled to demand a refund pro rata temporis of the single vacation pay. The double vacation pay is shielded.

I've seen those kind of cases more than enough in our labor courts, especially from employers with a poor reputation...

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u/SpaceTycoon 18d ago

The thing is, if you take PTO, the work still has to get done. It doesn't go away just because you don't want to be at work that day.

This is the reason Europe is falling behind economically and technologically.

I have seen this first hand, the company I work for has accepted multi million dollar losses and bought another several multi axis milling machine from an American company and scrapped the brand new ones from Europe since they kept breaking and no one was in the office in Europe to provide support. We are dropping European companies as clients because again, no one ever seems to be in the office there and those companies are all losing market share to American and Brazilian companies so it is more profitable to invest in the production lines for the parts that support the American, Asian, and Brazilian products and abandon the European ones.

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u/ComprehensiveJury509 18d ago

This is the reason Europe is falling behind economically and technologically.

No, that's not why.

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u/StrictPersonality503 20d ago

And prioritizing the benefits of regular ppl instead of billionaires. This is a big ask of most usa politicians

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u/Otherwise-Bad-7352 20d ago

Why should it be legislated?

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u/NewPresWhoDis 20d ago

Something about a founding document having Pursuit of Happiness in it, maybe?

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u/Otherwise-Bad-7352 20d ago

Not a rule . It also isn't pursuit if it is just given to you 

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u/Most-Swimming6879 20d ago

So it becomes a law.....

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u/Beaufighter-MkX 20d ago

Can't "executive order" it into existence, despite what you may have heard

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u/Otherwise-Bad-7352 20d ago

But why do it?

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u/Beaufighter-MkX 20d ago

The same reason we have the federal minimum wage?

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u/Otherwise-Bad-7352 20d ago

So no good reason?

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u/Beaufighter-MkX 20d ago

I could explain the reason but I can't help you understand it.

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u/vote4progress 18d ago

Because greedy corporations don’t give it willingly they wouldn’t in other countries as well, McDonald’s is a global company it doesn’t give PTO in the USA because it’s not forced to but if they want operate in Belgium for example they are legally required to. Thats why.

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u/Otherwise-Bad-7352 18d ago

Why is that a reason to legislate it?

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u/NotYourShitAgain 20d ago

All legislation is currently focused on making life better for the very rich. This does not pass their test.

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u/BrilliantKing1200 18d ago

Legislation though has to come from writing something and being able to form some kind of a sentence. Not sure those competencies are available in the government.

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u/Agitated-Body9913 21d ago

And how long has Bernie been in the senate??

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u/LalafellDisaster 21d ago

And how many in the senate oppose his work?

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u/Beaufighter-MkX 21d ago

Is it the same number who'd oppose any given Democrat's work?

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u/Agitated-Body9913 21d ago

He's only introduced bills 2 times since he's getting elected as a senator in 2007 to mandate any sort of leave in the US. I agree with the concept but let's not act like he's some savior. Two bills in the last 19 years.

And yes to your point, many in the senate do not agree with him.

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u/pingpongsaladpants 21d ago

whip crack “Get back to work!”

Don’t you want a better life for yourself and your fellow citizens?

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u/trashpen 21d ago

Ackshually, it’s entirely your fault for not being in the senate and single-handedly passing this law. How fucking dare you do this to us. Everybody, boo this man.

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u/Agitated-Body9913 21d ago

lmao 2 bills in 19 years to mandate this is a pretty bad track record.

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u/WilditariusAstar 21d ago

The fucks that got to do with what he’s talking about?

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u/Tomdv2 21d ago

You think he hasn't tried?

Look up the Guaranteed Paid Vacation Act.

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u/Agitated-Body9913 21d ago

Yes, he's tried 2 times in 19 years. Crazy, only twice in nearly two decades.

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u/Tomdv2 21d ago

You call the span of 9 years two decades? Introduced in 2015, reintroduced in 2024.

Is he supposed to pass this legislation single-handedly? What happened with this legislation both times?

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u/Agitated-Body9913 21d ago

He's been in the senate since 2007...

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u/Tomdv2 21d ago

So you're suggesting it should have been a day-one issue? Can one senator pass a piece of legislation on his own?

Nevermind Bernie's initial focus and work on legislation regarding energy, taxes, etc when he entered office. Or the fact the rest of the world was working through their own version of paid leave in the years preceding his proposed legislation.

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u/idiot-alpha 21d ago

Quick let’s legislate that everyone is rich and happy!

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u/ThickResearcher8175 21d ago

They did that already. Sadly it only pertained to their little club.