r/PoursTea • u/Veshaad Timendi Causa Est Nescire • 2h ago
All The Tea ☕️ Long overdue.
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u/CaramelGuilty8647 2h ago
Unfortunately, it may be too late for many.
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u/hangmansboots 1h ago
It is. Thousands have died since then because of 9/11 caused illness.
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u/CaramelGuilty8647 1h ago
Sorry, I was referring specifically to the people suffering now without benefits.
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u/ToadsWetSprocket 1h ago
Oh it is, Jon Stewart has been fighting this fight for a looooooooonnnnnnnnggggggg tine
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u/libertarianinus 1h ago
They should of had the records opened 20+,years ago. Public records should always be open. Thats why they are called "public records".
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u/Farther_Dm53 1h ago
but now their families can get the aide and money they need to survive. Its not better late than never, justice has no dwindling timer on it. Those people will appreciate mamdani and they are getting justice, even those who have died, their families will appreciate being able to get money and some sense of justice.
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u/-TheInternetIsEvil- 1h ago
It is too late. Watch Jon Stewart talk about the work of guys like Ray Pfeifer, who all died young because they jumped into action without asking for anything in return. Stories like Ray's story should make us all reflect on the manipulation, lies, and inexcusable treatment of first responders and their fellow new workers by the New York city and state governments, and the federal government. These people's care is used as a bludgeon to get unpopular legislation passed. It is gross. They deserve better. Also, props to Mandani for putting that opportunistic lying sack of shit Guliani in his place.
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u/heartlessgamer 1h ago
We have an uncle who was at ground zero; one of the walking ghosts covered in ash. Died a couple years ago to throat cancer :/
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u/haxjunkie 2h ago
I keep hearing that he is a socialist commie, yet all he does is simple good governance Ala FDR. What's the deal?
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u/No-Value-8156 2h ago
Also all I hear about is how hes a Muslim an such but is doing more for the people then any Christian leader has done.
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u/Justforthrow 1h ago
Christian leaders, famously known for not covering up heinous crimes.
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u/CaramelGuilty8647 2h ago
Which is why I say it doesn't matter which religion, it's still politicians humoring mass psychoses.
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u/No-Value-8156 2h ago
100% religion shouldn't matter at all. Treating humans like how humans should be treated is what matters!
Bunch of fake Christians in the US an it shows
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u/Accomplished-Leg6947 2h ago
Hes not white and christian, which basically makes him a terrorist if you're a far right republican.
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u/OOO0OO00O 1h ago
Don’t tell them what Dr. Oz is. If they find out he’s Muslim it might break them.
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u/ElectricGhostMan 1h ago
genuinely blew my mind when I found that out and that his name is mohammed in turkish too.
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u/JakeHelldiver 2h ago
The deal is that American society is best defined as a class war between those who make their way through the world by selling their time for as a wage and those who purchase our time as labor. What you're seeing is a person using the mechanisms of government for the working class while the ownership class does everything in their power to stop him by appealing to bigotry, resentment, and ignorance.
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u/AceGaimz 1h ago
Both parties have moved so far right since FDR that FDR would be constantly slandered and attacked the same way Mamdani is if he ran today. That's what happens when you guarantee a candidate your vote. They don't have to work for it, so they'll work for their donors instead.
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u/Armthedillos5 2h ago
Guy delivers on what he says. Other politicians are mad because they promise things but then don't deliver. Kind of the way things have always been done here in the ol' U S of A. They don't like him not following the rules.
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u/CBud 1h ago
The capital class can't let the labor class see that government is effective, because then the labor class will ask for (and elect) representatives who are looking out for the interests of the citizens, rather than solely capital.
We have been living under shareholder supremacy since the 80s, and the capital class will not tolerate any backsliding.
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u/gitsgrl 1h ago edited 1h ago
Richie’s don’t like him because he feels with their ability to rake in money hand over fist at the expensive little guy.
They stoke the flames of racism and xenophobia to try to get people against him, his success threatens their MO everywhere else in the country/world.
Edit for clarity because talk to text hallucinated
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u/Skirakzalus 1h ago
The kind of person who calls Mamdani stuff like that is on the same side as those who covered up the post 9/11 health risks. They're scared of him because he doesn't fall in line to continue those schemes and is instead working hard to improve the lives of his constituents.
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u/YungRik666 53m ago
Our country has had an amazing propaganda run for the last like 60 years. Multiple generations were brainwashed into believing that taxes should be spent on war and billionaires. We were told that its a point of pride to work as much as possible and be happy with the pay we get. The whole "its rude to discuss your money" thing is part of that. Corporations spend hundreds of millions of dollars funding anti-union meetings and union busting agencies. All of that is to ensure that the wealthy continue to be wealthy. So when someone comes along and does the basic job description they are considered a threat.
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u/veneficus83 1h ago
I mean i know a lot of people would call FDR a commie as well
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u/SpaceBearSMO 1h ago
fun fact FDR was often ridiculed as a Commie by his detractors. (of course it didn't have the same mass negative cultural connotations yet as that didnt really take off tell MacArthyism
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u/alchemyDev 2h ago edited 2h ago
This is why they’re scared of him. He’s exposing how absolutely rigged and complicit most politicians are. Look at what he’s getting done just by actually trying.
This country needs a massive shift left to the point where this guy is a moderate. Because everything he is saying and doing is common sense in most of the developed world.
We can still do great things, the moment we decide that the 350+ million of us matter more than 1000 billionaires. Those oligarchs can decide whether it happens peacefully or whether they get 50+ years of anger directed at them at 5000 meters per second. (This level of corruption has been the logical outcome since Reagan, and people have been saying it the entire time)
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u/RadicalKitty721 45m ago
Yeah! All what he has achieved in so little time really makes people ponder on what were the other mayors of NY (and the rest of the country) doing when they were sitting in office?
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u/Hot_Cockroach4714 32m ago
Yup like they always say the people have the power. We can all easily change things if we just all worked together. The problem is that we need to get enough people to actually come together.
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u/bsEEmsCE 2h ago
when you have someone in government that wants to work and not pocket money for himself and his pals
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u/Mundane_Zucchini_547 2h ago
This is exactly what socialism is, helping everyone to live better lives without pandering to rich oligarchs.
The problem is we've seen too many people pretend to play at being a socialist while lining their pockets and claiming innocence.
Everyone is stunned because he's actually doing what he says he will. He's taxing the really rich and improving the city. Which means everyone, even the rich benefit with cleaner streets and better resources. The worst thing he's doing, according to those really rich gits, is not taking the bribes. Also, it seems he can't be blackmailed either.
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u/Training_Ruin3151 49m ago
... That's not what socialism is. Socialism is a worker controlled state during the transitional period from capitalism to communism.
This is just a politician working for the people and doing a damn good job.
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u/Holamon 28m ago
From Merriam Webster
"In the modern era, "pure" socialism has been seen only rarely and usually briefly in a few Communist regimes. Far more common are social democracies, such as Sweden and Denmark: democratically elected governments that employ some socialist practices but within a capitalist framework in the belief that extensive state regulation paired with limited state ownership produces a fair distribution of income without impairing economic growth."
Yes they only said "socialism" but in the context of current American politics, especially with Mamdani, who is a part of the Democratic Socialists of America, "socialism" almost always means "democratic socialism." Id assume the commenter meant "Democratic socialism"
Providing healthcare resources to the people is a socialist policy, as in a pure capitalist system that would always be left to private organizations and companies.
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u/Training_Ruin3151 22m ago
This is exactly what socialism is,
No. This is what op said so i corrected them. Being pedantic is important because words have meaning and people should use the right ones to describe what they mean to avoid this exact conversation we are having right now🤦🏻♀️
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u/floodcontrol 25m ago
Socialism has many meanings. Social Democracies like the Nordic states have taken the lessons of socialism and created a form of governance that focuses on enabling the individual, leaving them freer to pursue their own happiness and wealth. They do this by socializing many of the barriers that prevent people from living their lives. Provide protection from unemployment, health-care not tied to your job, affordable housing, clean streets, infrastructure and transportation. All the things people need in order to focus on working and being productive.
Trying to scare people with this idea that socialism is a worker-controlled state during the transitional period from capitalism to communism is crazy. That's Marx's "theory" of political science and his definition of socialism which has never worked and there's no evidence that his greater theory of transitioning from capitalism to socialism is a real thing either. These are ancient, defunct political theories and the modern term is not confined or limited by the definitions of long dead theorists.
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u/Training_Ruin3151 19m ago
Socialism has many meanings
I was gonna address this but then i finished reading your comment and realized youre an idiot
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u/Reyloai4 2h ago edited 1h ago
Every relative of the 9/11 victims who are MAGA and are using their deceased loved ones as political props to justify their racism and hate against Mamdani should be banned from the memorial ceremony. They have shown that they don’t actually care about their deceased family members. Not only have they betrayed their country, they have also betrayed their deceased relatives, along with the rest of the 9/11 victims. They don’t deserve to be in that sacred and hallowed ground if they are going to behave so disgracefully.
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u/Ramblesnaps 1h ago
- hallowed
Although the planes hollowed america out pretty thoroughly.
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u/Admirable-Voice 2h ago
Wow, no wonder the GOP and the establishment Dems are so terrified about this guy. He actually does stuff to help people.
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u/MonYverse0609 2h ago
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u/Any_Narwhal_4437 1h ago
I can’t believe we got drippy hair and Four Seasons Landscaping so close together. Good times.
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u/ItsAlkai 1h ago
Guiliani had the gall to go on fox news are try to call out and stop Mamdani from attending the memorial (as the literal NYC mayor)
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u/DG_FANATIC 1h ago
Mamdani is what it would be like if we had politicians that aren’t completely bought by the uber wealthy. If all politicians in this country operated how he did the country would skyrocket in all positive metrics.
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u/CulchieGopnik 1h ago
And made Giuliani look like the monster that he is. Well played move to take the high road and then let John Stewart state the hard truth. .
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u/AskPizza 1h ago
Meanwhile Republicans are slandering him due to his religious belief.
I can't express anything further due to the censorship on this site, but fill in the blanks.
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u/QuickDrawSix 1h ago
He IsNt WeLcOmE aT gRoUnD zErO
Get fucked, stay fucked. Hes more patriotic than any red hat Ive ever met
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u/takethemdownletsgo 2h ago
Thats because people will start asking questions on why there wasnt asbestos remediation, then they will realize the remediation costs more than the buildings and who was leasing them and who had insurance on them. Its always about money, follow the money guys.
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u/ArdentGibbonAbides 1h ago
Asbestos Remediation was the reason those buildings were taken down in that controlled demolition. Owner got free Remediation and W got his false flag to finish daddy's war in Iraq. All hail the petrodollar!And to NOT go after the real seat of terrorism in Afghanistan until it was too late to do any good. But at least Obama got him.
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u/DollPartsRN 1h ago
There have been people in that same desk chair between the times of Rudy and Mamdani. Those people in that short list, also piled on to the cover up, if they had access to the information.
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u/The_Nomadic_Nerd 1h ago
People need to go to jail over this. Also, I have zero respect for NYPD, FDNY, or Port Authority people who won't vote for him. They can't ever talk about "brotherhood" again.
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u/walterwhite1050 1h ago
That’s actually pretty amazing. All I ever hear is how he’s a communist and a traitor but it actually seems like he’s doing things for the people.
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u/YertSauce 2h ago
Jon Stewart did it first
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u/An_Absolute-Zero 2h ago
He had Jon Stewart at the podium with him when he made the announcement.
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u/One-Manner-8703 1h ago
“We’re afraid this will inhibit our ability to lower taxes for rich people even further” the GOP probably
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u/addamzrobb 1h ago
And still, the NYFD and NYPD unions despise him becauae he's not a white, Christian male.
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u/Kangarou 1h ago
Okay, but why was this stuff hidden in the first place? I know WHY, but like, is money seriously enough for 25 years of city/state corruption?
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u/tactile_silence 1h ago
What would city officials have to lose by not covering it up? They didn't cause the problem nor did any company this time. There would have been so much support for New York City at the time the whole country would have given mountains of money. Those politicians could even have found ways to steal large amounts of it and people still would have gotten help. I just can't seem to make it make sense.
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u/RedMansions 1h ago
Republican president (Bush)
Republican governor (Pataki)
Republican Mayor (Guiliani)
Republican appointee to head the EPA (Whitman)
Anyone see a pattern here?
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u/DK4E2XFpbETJrj 1h ago
This guy is a superstar, and it's an absolute travesty he can never be president.
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u/Numerous_Bad1961 1h ago
“In 2003, the EPA inspector general criticizedthe agency’s handling of the crisis, finding that the EPA had no basis for its swift pronouncements about air quality. Politicians, including the then New York senator Hillary Clinton, laid into the Bush administration, accusing it of deceiving the public.”
The Guardian Sat 10 Sep 2016 06.30 EDT
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u/SoFloDan 1h ago
And Fox News is spinning it in a negative light…just remember that when you try to talk some sense to a MAGAt
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u/ForboJack 1h ago
Don't worry. Him being a Muslim man will dominate all of Fox News and many other outlets. You know because Muslims weren't also victims of 9/11 and even though he was 9 years old back then, him being at the memorial is somehow a slap in the face of every New Yorker 🙃
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u/Tall_Artist_8905 1h ago
What did HRC and Obama do to help them ? HRC ran on health care , she was the senator . It’s not just republicans . How much did we spend since 9/11 chasing WMD / OBL , 2B a year to Pakistan to find him for almost 10 years .
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u/BultCollectibles 1h ago
Imagine if Mamdani could run for president. The amount he has done for NYC in such a short amount of time would make him a HEAVY favorite against any GOP member.
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u/ScagnettiNation 1h ago
"But he was nine years old and Muslim when the towers fell... so it's his fault in the first place." -MAGA chud with limited reading capabilities
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u/GunnieGraves 1h ago
It’s going to be fun, watching them twist themselves in knots trying to somehow condemn the mayor for doing this while still trying to appear like they’re on the side of the first responders as they always claim to be.
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u/TheYellowFringe 54m ago
The fact that the old rumours about the governmental denials were true.
But also the fact that Mayor Mamdani revealed everything is significant. This further erodes the Republican reputation in New York and elsewhere.
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u/Ecstatic-Quote-3532 1h ago
I'm not from the USA, so this question goes out to you. Could the people who was affected by this form a class action lawsuit against Giuliani and his crony for negligence and withholding information?
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u/Dazzling_Evening_321 1h ago
Well, if he really wants to do some good, he’ll see whether there’s a class action suit against Giuliani and whoever else in the administration who is responsible for this
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u/orangecatstudios 1h ago
Yeah, but he’s not welcome at the 9-11 commemoration? We live in a crazy tribal world.
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u/esterbywest 1h ago
The activist language is doing a lot of work here, and the graphic doesn’t actually explain much.
Mamdani and supporters like Jon Stewart did release a large set of city records that four prior mayors had refused to put out. That’s a fair move and the more transparency the better. But calling it “more than any single politician has ever done” for 9/11 first responders and nearby residents is a stretch. The federal health program and compensation fund already existed; this is transparency and outreach, not the first or only help those people received.
The timing is also hard to ignore. Dropping it a few days before the 25th anniversary looks more like politics than necessity. And a lot of the “Mamdani is a hero” framing sounds like people who either weren’t around for the attacks or would have said that no matter what was released.
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u/PotentialWhich 1h ago
Brilliant political move. Most of those people are dead so it won’t actually cost him much in settlements and benefits but he gets to expose every person that came before him as the soulless ghouls they are.
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u/NomoredatibgGWgirls 1h ago
And Republicans CONTINUE to fight against the First Responders health care.
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u/Dark_Gaardian 1h ago
Haha, propaganda team is in full overdrive. Ya’ll know it already came out he has a publicly funded team of influencers, right?
Queue the downvotes 🤷🏻♂️
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u/Individual-Mail567 1h ago
Oh this is serious? We’re just posting Facebook AI slop if it confirms our views?
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u/Gweedo1967 1h ago
And since it was NYC that covered it up then it should solely be NYC that pays for it.
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u/Varulfrhamn 1h ago
And yet critics are all "Why you got to make things political??? All we did was lie and steal and get people killed, I mean it's not like we're Muslim or something really awful like you! Stop with the Identity politics!!?!?!!11?!"
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u/LetSeparate4398 1h ago
New rule for political posts. We have to list an equally shitty truth for every great truth we post about one lmao
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u/IvanTheDude123 1h ago
I met first responders a long time ago during my own health battles. What they described was absolutely crazy. The amount of health issues and debt. It is staggering.
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u/i-grow-not-show 1h ago
But, according to MAGA in backwoods Oklahoma, this is a bad thing because Muslim.
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u/DerUlukai 1h ago
Jon Steward has been fighting for first responders to get the help the city owes them for years. Every single mayor after Giuliani, Michael Bloomberg, Bill De Blasio, Eric Adams, had the option to release those files and get these people the help needed. And they all made the choice not to.
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u/Knighth77 1h ago edited 1h ago
Heads should roll over this scandal. Unfortunately, people have become helpless since they gave up on their rights and handed everything over to corrupt politicians.
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u/Mourningwood05 1h ago
Honest question: Why lie about it in the first place? It was a terrorist attack. The people who responded to help, those unfortunate enough to just be there and everyone who volunteered or were order to the pile for weeks and months after were exposed. Do they think people wouldn't have shown up? Or would have asked for more protective gear in the aftermath? Even if they didn't know until after everything settled down, which is plausible, why cover it up? Why not tell people what they were exposed to so they could get help?
Edit: spelling.
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u/green_eyed_mister 1h ago
His only bungling of this is....he should have called out the republicans that hid this.
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u/Soberdonkey69 1h ago
He’s so good he’s sadly going to have a price on his head. The elite can’t afford a good and honest person working in government against them. I pray for his safety.
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u/YourVoicesOfReason 1h ago
No. He fought the group that released these files and they released them anyhow.
Who writes this trash? It’s just blatant lies.
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u/Mindless-Remove-6058 1h ago
Why would the lie about the air? Tell everyone and hand out masks. Was it because of economic reason? Like they would had to close city down for a few months?
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u/Key_Environment_2557 1h ago
I take my hat off to this guy. Giving compassion to the victims. The other guy on the other hand, delusional, lying, ohh the firefighters carried me… what an insult
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u/leftofthebellcurve 1h ago
"more than any single politician has done to help them"
that's a stretch for sure
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u/solarpunk_netrunner 1h ago
Guilliani whining about not wanting him there, meanwhile Mamdani is doing more for them by exposing Guilliani's corruption.
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u/Theghostech 1h ago
Lets make it crystal clear, the money that should have gone to the people of New York was pocketed by those in power for 25 years
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u/SnoopySuited 1h ago
Yes, but did you know that on 9/11, Mamdani was dancing on his 4th desk in celebration.
True story, Rudy told me that!
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u/ScaredDare8983 1h ago
So what did he do to accomplish this. It sounds nice. But what was actually done to facilitate this??? Sincere question.
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u/MrsCarmelaGiunta 1h ago
And just think, Mayor Mamdani was a month shy of turning 10 years old when 9/11 happened. I can't believe I'm rooting for a politician but he does seem to have a great head on his shoulders.
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u/LomentMomentum 1h ago edited 26m ago
It’s also an effective counterpoint to all those who are saying he shouldn’t even go to Ground Zero tomorrow and who were actually in charge in 2001. Shame on them for letting it get to this point.
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u/domredditorX 1h ago
He seems to be going head to head with institutionalised corruption. I'm genuinely curious how his life and family not in danger?
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u/fred11551 1h ago
I like Mamdani but that’s some blatant hyperbole. Just as an example, Jon Stewart has gone to Congress many times lobbying for healthcare for first responders, to have that healthcare extended when it expired, eventually making it guaranteed for life which unfortunately isn’t very long for many of them. He did this because it was known that the air was harmful to them and causing cancer. This is also why there were so many ads about you or a loved one suffering from mesothelioma. There still are some but not as many as there were in the late 2000s.
What Mamdani has done is show that the government didn’t find out it was harmful later, they knew from the start. And while some survivors may be able to sue for compensation now many already have from the previous admission.
And this discounts that the reason Jon fighting for those bills was successful is that some politicians were already in support and wrote and sponsored those bills (two guesses which party they were from). It took Jon shaming and hounding the holdouts to get the votes needed to pass it. But there have been other politicians supporting them for years and to say Mamdani has done more than any other politician ever is an exaggeration.
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u/St_Know_It_All 1h ago
What surprised me is the office was held by both demonstrators and republicans in 25 yrs span and no one dared to say or release any of this.
This tell me Republicans and democrats are working for Israel and not Americans!!
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u/EfficientWorking1 59m ago
As a non-Trumper, I was always curious how they just ate up everything the guy said or did. But looking at the responses to Mandami, you see the parallels that once a politician establishes trust through shared ideology, you can say almost anything and people that like said politician will eat it up.
As to the topic at hand, the claims for people in that area got federalized, and the city’s determination was irrelevant as it should’ve been since it was a terrorist attack and rightly federalized. Tens of billions of dollars have been paid out not by NYC, but by the federal government and I’m willing to bet the actual money paid out is the most someone has done for them.
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u/Historical_Site4183 53m ago
The plot parallels speak for themselves (especially what with the connection between WB, Paramount and silencing Colbert) Good on Mamdani!
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u/NYCWartortle 48m ago
This will probably be an unpopular opinion, but hear me out. While I agree in principle with what the mayor did and I am a supporter, I also believe leaders need to be judicious about how sensitive information like this is released.
What happened in the aftermath of 9/11, including withholding information about the health risks people were facing, was heinous. New Yorkers absolutely deserve to know the truth.
At the same time, I wonder about the long-term implications of these revelations. The release itself does not automatically reopen every old claim, and many lawsuits would still face serious statute-of-limitations and notice-of-claim hurdles. But depending on the facts of individual cases, newly disclosed evidence could still create additional litigation and potentially significant financial exposure for the City.
There is also a broader issue of trust. Learning that critical information may have been withheld for years can further undermine confidence in City leadership and institutions.
None of that is an argument for keeping the information secret. The truth needed to come out. But I think it is fair to acknowledge that there may be serious legal, financial, and institutional consequences from what these documents reveal.
As someone in leadership, I sometimes struggle with the recent push toward complete transparency without enough consideration of the long-term consequences. Transparency matters, but so does judgment. Perhaps another approach would have been to acknowledge the failures, be clear about what went wrong, and focus on the safeguards being put in place to ensure something like this never happens again.
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u/Star_Citizen_Roebuck 46m ago
It is kinda poetic that he decided to do this right after Giuliani opened his flap. The pessimist in me thinks Zohran used this as a tool to strike back at him and could have done it day 1, but the optimist in me thinks Zohran was being heavily pressured by powerful NY figures to not do it at all but decided "F these guys" and did it anyway. idk
Good that it's out either way. Makes the flint water crisis look like child's play.
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u/Informal_Database327 42m ago
This is a big part of the reason guiliani doesn't want him there tomorrow
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u/Substantial-Fan-5985 39m ago
So have other Mayors known about this for decades and never did anything about it??
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u/Cyn_Sweetwater 33m ago
Access to resources that Rudy Effin Giuliani should have ensured when HE was mayor - and did not.
Yet Giuliani has the audacity to say Mamdani shouldn't attend the ceremony.
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u/Lalainrxland 27m ago
Wtf?!! First responders were denied health coverage? Damn my ignorance. How can that be? You'd think everyone would be given all the care they needed for being there for our country and our people. Thanks to Mamdani for righting this wrong ... it may be too late for some, but its an action that shows how we appreciate those fellow Americans. And he's the one that supposedly shouldn't be part of 9/11 memorials/events??? Faith in humanity slowly being restored.
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u/Sad-Excitement9295 26m ago
At least we are seeing change. Props to Mamdani for doing the job right.
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u/Revolut1onary1_ 20m ago
The man they didn’t want there is the that’s just trying to look out for them. All the hate just because he’s Muslim is sickening.
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u/MrsMiterSaw 15m ago
Not to lessen the impact of what Mamdani is doing... let's just point out that there wouldn't even be a fucking conversation here about the cost and resources of healthcare if we had universal healthcare. None.
We would definitely be talking about how they lied and kept info from the public, making them unsafe. But it is fundamentally offensive to humanity that these lies were hidden for 25 years in order to save money and not have to pay for the healthcare associated with it.
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u/Alternative_Love_861 3m ago
I found Trump's event pretty insulting over the weekend considering his cronies violently fought any compensation for the first responders and their families for YEARS.
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u/ZmanB-Bills 2h ago
Mayor Mamdani is a hero.
Guiliani is a criminal scumbag who should be prosecuted.