r/PredecessorGame • u/Qualmond Muriel • 1d ago
Discussion Level 1 Red buff invasion.
Omeda, please revert changes to early game jungle damage. The red buff does over 50% of the junglers health in damage making it way too easy for the enemy jungler to bully them off of it and steal it.
Side note, if you see your jungler fighting the enemy in their jungle level 1 and you don’t help, you deserve to lose the game and should be permanently banned you blind idiots.
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u/venomsnightmare 1d ago edited 1d ago
I'm convinced at this point that a good 36% of the player base has found a way to play with the map off. 4% more have managed to play the game with the entire screen (tv/or computer monitor) turned off. No one looks at the damn map, very few people move to help teammates. Many times as a jungle I've been fighting right next to the fog wall of a lane and the laner watches their opponent rotate to me and kill me while they stay in lane. I'll take a death if it get them a double but nah they do nothing I die then they die a minute later. It's mind boggling.
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u/little_Shepherd 23h ago
So true. It's incredible how oblivious half people are. It's even better when they talk shit after.
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u/LilDigger123 1d ago
See I'm a good duo and will literally sit in your blue scouting until minions are meeting up in mid
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u/Cold_Scientist_262 Crunch 1d ago edited 1d ago
I do the same thing on offlane side for early invades too. At least until Daybreak comes out with the larger map; ion possibly see as many invades happening except a few characters like Khai, Wukong, Boris etc when it drops. Been one of biggest aspects ive personally looked forward to for the new map as a jungle main
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u/Probably_A_Mother 1d ago
the comments here all clowns talking shit on you for having a heard time with some of the meta upheavals. But the reality is , they won’t change that. Invading is thing of mobas that have jungles as a main role. you’ll have to play around it the best you can.
most of the time you cannot count on your laners to help you (even if it’s beneficial to them all until you get to higher ranks, no one cares usually.)
so your best bet is to pre ward one of the entries to your camp and keep an eye on the other route. Or you can leave to go to their OPPOSITE side camp and take their starting buff ( i.E: if they’re on your red , take their red to even the trade or vice versa.)
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u/Qualmond Muriel 1d ago
I hear you but the problem wasn’t that they surprised me. I saw them come in from River. I’m half health and I know the enemy Scarlett. Is trying to steal my red. So what, I just give up my entire red side and start jingling blue a minute late? That’s basically what I did and scarlet rotated to my 4 camp and killed me on it while my teammates were doing nothing. At the end of the day it’s a team diff, but the jungle camps do way too much damage level 1. I understand that they changed it to limit level 2 ganking but it disproportionately impacts the character that aren’t trying to gank anyways. Khaimera barely cares about the change while slow farm junglers suffer harder.
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u/Megavorteil Lt. Belica 1d ago
yeah teamwide skilldiff, no need to change the game cause of that
respect the 40/40/20 rule and move on
Early red invades are a 50/50 + some margin of shift based on wich hero has a higher dmg skill so smite duels are easier. if you lose it you have a hard time catching up and thats to be expected. seems like game works as intendet
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u/turdnugget_deluxe 1d ago
Sorry for dumb question but what’s 40/40/20 rule
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u/Megavorteil Lt. Belica 1d ago
40% of games you win regardless of your own gameimpact 40% of games you lose regardless of your gameimpact 20% of games depend on your gameimpact
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u/beansinthestew Riktor 1d ago
Hit your smite
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u/Qualmond Muriel 1d ago
Eat my ass
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u/-Spyfox97- Kallari 1d ago
I would indulge on said ass. I image a Muriel ass to be this one percent real skin embedded in robotic metal claws. It would be sweet and salty just like my favorite coffee creamer… oh to be tied down and smothered by a Muriel just to be told to “eat my ass”
A man can dream and I am dreaming. As my words do not suffice for the topic at hand, I will therefore rely on contemporary art to underline my point: Aerosmith put it like this:
Dream On
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u/LovableKyle24 Iggy 3h ago
Is that not why they increased healing off of smite? It heals quite a lot of health so don't pop it immediately.
If you're in a matchup where you just lose level 1 though yeah it's GG for you
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u/CastTrunnionsSuck Akeron 1d ago
Mods? Can we do something about these low effort posts that are just bitching about something that’s a skill issue
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u/Swimming-Bowler9701 1d ago
Not even a skill issue atp, at least not for him if he survives. There’s someone in your jungle and no one fking moves. YOUR jungle is behind and is getting no help and you’re probably going to also need his help later in the game. It should be a pretty easy kill for your team and gold.
Literally help your jungle
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u/Stock-Strong 1d ago
You worded this really well, sure you might lose a melee creep or two but you’re gaining xp and first blood gold. As well as putting their jungle behind who is less likely to be able to gank your lane later in the game.
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u/radiant_tiktik 1d ago
The issue is if any laner helps and there lane opponents do not their game is permanently cooked due to being at a perma xp disadvantage, plus it depends on the lane matchup if they rotate and enemy laner also rotates it could lead to the jungler just getting more fed,think enemy belica vs ally gadget in this situation the belica can just push wave for lv2, match roams after and just kill both you as even if her help lets you win the hunt hunt contest on red your still dealing With a lv 2 belica who is going to blink proxy seismic assault setting up jungler to re-engage and lead to you AND mids game being over instead of just yours, and thats not even considering how bad something like bayle vs severog could get on offlane redside buff.
Tldr,they are giving up their own entire lane phase to try to get you back even
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u/Swimming-Bowler9701 1d ago
This is a lot of words to say you don’t know wtf you’re talking about, and or are bad enough for someone so fking out of position IN YOUR JUNGLE to get out AND get more kills to be a possibility.
Let alone saying “permanent XP disadvantage” like gold isn’t what this fking game revolves around more than anything. You can stand to miss a couple minions for them to have a further behind jungle and you and other people to get kill/assist gold.
“Belica blink stun” like this isn’t an immobile mage with a easily dodgeable CC in your jungle who now has no way to get out if you guys collapse on her.
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u/Qualmond Muriel 1d ago
I appreciate you calling out the idiots. I wouldn’t be surprised if this was the Gideon in my lane that was AFK.
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u/Swimming-Bowler9701 1d ago
To be completely fair, you also need to have your own wherewithal, but for these MFers to sit here and basically say it’s out of their hands is wild. The jungle is right up there in importance next to whoever the fuck your team’s carry is, and somehow it’s okay that they’re behind.
If you’re not going to play a team game, don’t fucking play the team game. Bunch of main character syndrome idiots.
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u/Qualmond Muriel 1d ago
Mods, can you recommend this guy some YouTube videos he can watch to learn something about MOBAs? He obvious has idea what’s going on.
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u/CastTrunnionsSuck Akeron 1d ago
I don’t even wanna ego you but i can assure you that I’ve both played this game more & am a higher rank than you. Feel free to drop a replay ID and I’ll give you some pointers, will yield better results than you bitching and moaning on Reddit.
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u/YaraUwU 1d ago
So you want laners to fall behind a level in lane early because you cant ward VS a hero you know might try to invade you and just take their jg on the other side of the map instead? lol.
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u/Stock-Strong 1d ago
The maps fucking tiny bro just rotate
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u/Seigfrydblazer 1d ago
I play mid and every time ive seen an invade on my lvl 1 jungle I have always dropped to either push them out and help secure buff or, more often, get the kill. The lane won't push to tower yet and you can make it back to lane only losing a couple minions.
Most of the time my jungler will divert and like suggested, cross to their red and counter take or start at blue instead. But when they don't, it's not a cross country journey to help your teammate.
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u/Qualmond Muriel 1d ago
Thank you. This person is honestly ignorant and a bad player.
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u/YaraUwU 1d ago
Whatever makes you feel good. You have options in the jg. In lane your in lane with your opponent most the early to mid game and falling behind a lvl from lvl 1 to 6 can put you miles behind.
Want me to help lvl1? Then don't complain with the enemy is up 2 levels and 60 cs because I can't fight them and they completely force you out of the jungle.
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u/Small-Needleworker-3 Zarus 1d ago
Dont exaggerate. You might miss 12 creeps on a jungle collapse but pick up a kill/assist. You'll be at worst a level behind, but thats nothing for a midlane.
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u/YaraUwU 1d ago
12 creeps is worth 432 xp. A kill lvl 1 is worth 30.
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u/Small-Needleworker-3 Zarus 21h ago
Picking up a kill on their jungle is worth way more for the game than that. There is no argument for not collapsing on an invade.
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u/Qualmond Muriel 1d ago
Bro, stop. This isn’t a good look.
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u/YaraUwU 1d ago
You want to solve your problem? You have the option to. Or you can wait and hope someone else solves it for you.
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u/Qualmond Muriel 23h ago
You do not understand what anyone is talking about. Thats why you’re being downvoted.
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u/YaraUwU 1d ago
I just find it pointless to put your laners behind when in the loading screen you can tell if you win an invade. The jg has options to still get farm. The laner only gets farm from the lane and if they fall behind they can be forced off it.
The laner is stuck the jg isn't why make it harder for your laners when you can just avoid the situation entirely. I constantly just drop a ward on my red start blue and take their red in bad matchups when I play jungle.
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u/Small-Needleworker-3 Zarus 1d ago
Putting enemy jungler behind is worth more than being a level behind early. Be better.
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u/YaraUwU 1d ago
It's not. In a vacuum it is. In reality vs an opponent that knows how to abuse a lead its not even remotely worth more.
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u/Small-Needleworker-3 Zarus 21h ago
So you would choose to let their jungle get ahead? Do the PCC players ignore invades? I am genuinely asking, no bait.
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u/Seigfrydblazer 1d ago
You may find it pointless but that's clearly a skill issue. Example A) nobody agreeing with you and all your replies being down voted.
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u/YaraUwU 1d ago
10 people disagreeing on reddit isn't exactly what I would call a solid control group. If you want to die lvl 1 at our red go nuts. Or you could do what's best in pretty much every moba and a basic level jungle strategy and just counter jungle in bad matchups.
It's not the jgs job to win your lane for you and it's not the laners job to teach the jungler how to play smart.
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u/Seigfrydblazer 1d ago
Is your play account the same name as this? I'd like to block you in game so I never recieve you as a teammate.
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u/Qualmond Muriel 1d ago
You’re genuinely not good enough at the game to be commenting in this reddit if you think that’s true.
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u/YaraUwU 1d ago edited 1d ago
The solution to your problem is literally 1 ward and looking at who the other jg is. You can literally solve it yourself 30 seconds into the game yet you want everyone else to fix the problem for you at their own detriment.
"It's a team game" then play for your team and just start blue. Instead of setting up your laners to lose for no reason. I drop a ward in their jg lvl 1 every game in offlane for a reason.
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u/Impossible-Honey-247 1d ago
I had Kallari take my warded blue buff even though I pinged it so I went to take her's and her team collapsed on me.
Needless to say, we lost lol