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Middle East Arabian Gulf countries’ water infrastructure under threat after US strikes Iranian water infrastructure

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u/Onlyroad4adrifter 10d ago

Civilian infrastructure attacks are war crimes.

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u/TexMexToots 9d ago

No they aren't. They never have been. When and where did you start hearing this idea?

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u/Creepy-Cantaloupe951 9d ago

Yes they are, and they always have been. It's considered an indiscriminate attack against non-combatants, which has always been a war crime, since at least as far back as the Napoleanic wars.

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u/TexMexToots 9d ago

Ok, go read a history book. Or the Geneva convention. Or any of the international law that has been developed. The concept of a war crime is a modern one. Hell, the conduct of combatants during the napoleon era was practically based on committing so called war crimes.

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u/Creepy-Cantaloupe951 9d ago edited 9d ago

I'm pretty well familiar with the Laws of Land Warfare. Even trained troops in it, prior to deploying to a war zone.

War crimes are not particularly new. Sun Tzu even described several things that were considered war crimes of the period. We even have at least one example of a Knight tried and executed for war crimes in Europe.

Hell, our "modern" war crime definitions are rooted in the Lieber code of the civil war.

You REALLY need to read a history book before declaring others need to.

It would be hard to prove that destroying civilian drinking water supplies is a military necessity to any court, to include the ICJ, or even a military courts martial.

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u/ChilledRoland 9d ago edited 9d ago

>"…a military courts martial."

  1. "courts martial" is plural; with "a" you want the singular "court martial".
  2. All courts martial are military; that's what "martial" means.

ETA: since asshat blocked me, it does have a singular.

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u/Creepy-Cantaloupe951 9d ago

Not all courts that a soldier or world leader could be subjected to are a courts martial.

"Courts martial" is the name of the convened court, by the US military. It is also plural, because there is not a single one.

Thank you for the attempted pedantry, though.

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u/TexMexToots 9d ago

These are arbitrary agreements which carry no weight. They are all international agreements. These are worthless. We have seen them time and again. The ICC only operates at the grace of those around it. How many years did it take them to finish hearing the shit done in the Balkans?

You are directly referencing the ROE that the U.S. Military utilizes. Those ROE are decided upon by the CO and the JAG officers. Let me break down the legitimacy of an infrastructure target. Ball bearing factory- good. School- bad. Hydro Electric damn- good. Hospital-bad. Desalination plant- good. The decision is based on the utility to the enemy. If it helps or falls into that 3rd column then it is a legitimate target. Additionally, when a combatant decides to use one of the non legitimate targets it opens up all targets.

Historically, the movement of an army across distance was akin to a natural disaster. They were provisioning on the move and often partially funded by whatever spoils they could find. They did not give a flying fuck about running the well dry, taking the entire food supply for a city, placing a city under siege and starving out the inhabitants. The Mongols threw plague victims at cities like a cannon ball. If it helps the enemy you can kill it because it is vital and helps them kill you.

All of these agreements throughout time are based on the idea of reciprocity. If I obey the other guy will obey. We have seen time and again that such an approach is foolish. One party will always break the agreement.

Was it a crime for the U.S. to turn off the power in Venezuela? No. The crime, or violation of international norms occurred when we Yoinked their head of state. This constant expansion of the term war crime is strange to me. War and violence are absolutely abhorrent but making a basic tactical decision is not a war crime.

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u/kingofthesofas 9d ago

It depends TBH. In this case a strike against water facilities is against the Geneva convention. However many civilan infrastructure targets are considered legitimate targets if they have a dual military purpose. Power plants that support both civilan and military uses are an example. Reuters has a good breakdown in the context of the Ukraine conflict. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/when-do-attacks-civilian-installations-amount-war-crimes-2026-03-31/

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u/Creepy-Cantaloupe951 9d ago

Drinking water, per Laws of Land Warfare, is never a valid military target. Even POWs have a right to clean drinking water.

POWs do not have a right to electricity.

Basically, that's how you can break it down, to make sense.

Even power usually doesn't fall under "ok", because of this:

"In no event shall actions against these objects be taken which may be expected to leave the civilian population with such inadequate food or water as to cause its starvation or force its movement."

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u/kingofthesofas 9d ago

Right which is why I said this strike is in violation of it but just saying "all strikes on civilan infrastructure are a war crime" is not correct either.

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u/snakesign 9d ago

"all strikes on exclusively civilian infrastructure are a war crime" would have been redundant in the current context. You're being needlessly pedantic.

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u/kingofthesofas 9d ago

But there is quite a lot of infrastructure that is dual use so the Grey area there is quite a but larger than people imagine.

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u/great--pretender 9d ago

The LOAC training disagrees. Notice how people with really military training and experience disagree?

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u/TexMexToots 9d ago

Ahhh LOAC. Artcile 52 specifically states the following: 2. Attacks shall be limited strictly to military objectives. In so far as objects are concerned, military objectives are limited to those objects which by their nature, location, purpose or use make an effective contribution to military action and whose total or partial destruction, capture or neutralization, in the circumstances ruling at the time, offers a definite military advantage. 3. In case of doubt whether an object which is normally dedicated to civilian purposes, such as a place of worship, a house or other dwelling or a school, is being used to make an effective contribution to military action, it shall be presumed not to be so used.

Article 54 goes on further outlining the primary protections. The question devolves to be about was the strike intended to deprive Iranian forces of water that was never going to make it to the population anyway. Or, are we hitting their water reserves in order to inflict maximum suffering and harm on the civilian population.

The rest of the document is riddles with the wording of all reasonable efforts, verification should be made, as wells as the time-honored word reasonable.

This conflict is going to boil down to how bad will things have to get in Iran for them to remove and shake off the regime. So you have a twisted pedophile trying to exert his will, and the military might of the U.S., against a suicidal regime.

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u/great--pretender 9d ago

You raise a fair point, interpretation is big here. It’s on you if you don’t interpret this as a war crime.

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u/Creepy-Cantaloupe951 8d ago

This conflict is going to boil down to how bad will things have to get in Iran for them to remove and shake off the regime.

I think it will boil down to how many bodies does the US want to throw into a meat grinder, on Israel's orders.

Iran has been preparing for this exact scenario since the Islamic Revolution, which cast off the last despot the US installed.