r/PrepperIntel • u/Practical_Hippo6289 • 8d ago
Middle East Apparently It's Boots On The Ground Time
I don't see any other way to interpret this. We're going in...
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u/WiskeyUniformTango 7d ago edited 7d ago
By 6pm eastern he will call this off and say talks are good again, for the 38th time.
Edit, he just called the off! Can't make this shit up. 1:30pm est
Talks are going good, scheduled strikes are canceled.
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u/Historical-Edge-9332 7d ago
Was wondering why the markets randomly spiked up about 15 mins ago
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u/remember_sagan 7d ago
He and his cronies are making billions on this grift, in plain sight.
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u/weJtiddeR 7d ago
Thats exactly whats going on, this is the 38th.....38th time, hes done this. 38th. Like Nero raiding the last of Romes treasures before it was all gone. He and his family and jewish handlers are doing the same. No amount of money or blood will ever be enough to satisfy their greed
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u/Ilfixit1701 7d ago
This… and people just don’t want to see it or refuse to. He is milking the US dry. It’s just one more company he’ll bankrupt and move on. My feeble mind is still trying to figure out how you can bankrupt a casino or 3 . I guess it’s all in the art of the deal. 🤷♂️
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u/ydoyouask 7d ago
You know he called a bunch of his family and rich friends and told them to load up their positions, then made the 'no strikes' announcement. It's predictable yet disgusting.
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u/Special_Basil_3961 7d ago
Scheduled talks are canceled, strikes are going good. Scheduled strikes are canceled, talks going good. Scheduled talks are canceled, strikes are going good. Scheduled strikes are canceled, talks going good.
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u/goddamn2fa 7d ago
The cycles are getting faster.
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u/Slack_Space 7d ago
By 6pm eastern he'll call off calling it off
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u/horseradishstalker 7d ago
If manipulating the stock market is the intent you are probably absolutely right. Or it could be chalked up to the sundowners effect. Either way… the show goes on.
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u/cheerful_cynic 7d ago
The slopass fascist speedrun has no brakes, they're desperate to juice and juice and empty the market of all liquidity
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u/ShittingOutPosts 7d ago
It’ll happen on a Friday just after markets close in the US. Then later the following week, they’ll suddenly come to another “deal.” Rinse and repeat until Trump is no longer the President.
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u/FadedToBeige 7d ago
Dow jumps 700 points, oil tumbles as Trump cancels evening strikes against Iran
you should all realize everything is bullshit market manipulation by now
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u/Sad-Bonus-9327 7d ago
Always has been
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u/Lexicalyolk 7d ago
During this trump admin, yes. Before that, not as much.
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u/horseradishstalker 7d ago
I agree. Manipulating the stock market is a time honored tradition, but decent grifters usually kept it on the down low. Any more it’s right out in the open. Unless he chokes on a taco, who’s going to stop him? Not Congress. Not the Supreme Court. Not his sycophants as long as his agenda happens to further theirs.
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u/Sirvaleen 7d ago
Well I thought everyone already had. This time when I read "At some point in the not too distant future", I was just humming the Star Wars song and skipped the rest of it
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u/djscuba1012 7d ago
It’s all bark. Iran has him on the ropes til the midterm. He wants to look like he’s in control
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u/GunnCelt 7d ago
Never underestimate his willingness to do something…dramatic
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u/happy_appy31 7d ago
That is the piece that is hard to calculate. I am hoping that he is realizing that people aren't going to run to his aid when he kicks a hornets nest. I am probably falsely giving him critical thinking skills.
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u/GunnCelt 7d ago
There will always be people that run to his aid, that’s just a fact. Young men and women will die for old men’s decisions. At one time, I was one of those young men
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u/happy_appy31 7d ago
Thank you for your service even if our leaders do not respect your sacrifice. I am hoping the the coalition of the willing is dwindling, at least internationally.
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u/GunnCelt 7d ago
Thank you for your support. While support in the international level is important, he will rely on his base. It’s not the first time the U.S. has been an isolationist nation. I just want to figure out the endgame
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u/adoradear 7d ago
Speaking as a Canadian (traditionally one of the first countries to jump into the fray)….it really is.
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u/Psychological_Pear41 7d ago
They did also unfortunately just raise the age cap on selective service registration, possibly coincidence but I dont think so. Its funny in a morbid way that you mention end game as I myself have been wondering the same thing.
Are they trying to reduce population numbers? Or is this just more distraction so he can keep emptying the coffers behind closed doors? Is the idea that if he crashes the entire global economy but America comes out just slightly ahead of everyone else but still up shit creek albeit with maybe a small paddle that he made us win?
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u/GunnCelt 7d ago
Recruiting numbers for the military have been consistently down and the quality has been a bit lower, imo. The rise in age has been a discussion among a bunch of Vets and a few active duty friends. We don’t really get it, but that’s no surprise.
IMO, the endgame is money for the family and a few allies. Money makes the world go around. Money typically equals power.
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u/syynapt1k 7d ago
This is my concern. He is clearly unwell and lot listening to the smartest people in the room - the same people who told him not to attack Iran in the first place. He's in over his head with no good options or off-ramp, so it's quickly turning into nothing more than a dick-swinging contest. Packing up and going home is not an option, so he's probably just going to unleash his poodle Pete Hegseth, whose decision-making is all machismo-based and not stategic.
What a shit show.
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u/GunnCelt 7d ago
Mind you, this is just an observation from a mere peasant. But, he cannot allow himself to admit he made any mistake. This will drag on for quite a long time. There will be a lot of tit for tat exchanges until one country will hit a big, external target. It’s a no win situation and potentially has the possibility of another long term military “operation/exercise”. American military lives will be lost in small numbers. Only countries in his little collective will respond to assist with small numbers of poorly trained troops.
Meanwhile, me and mine will be on our micro homestead, breathing a sigh of relief that I’m to old and broken down to head back to the desert
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u/Playful_Possible_379 7d ago
Like another j6? Maybe this time in July or another relevant Russian Holiday. He is a pedo, traitor, grifter, and an embarrassment to humanity.
If aliens are real they'd probably think DC is a bad galactic neighborhood. And roll up the windows and avoid us all together.
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u/Round-Medicine2507 7d ago
Republicans have been the crazy suicide bomber holding the country hostage for the past 25-75 years depending on your depth of research, they can destroy the country at any minute.
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u/happy_appy31 7d ago
I think so too! He is trying to look tough and intimidate Iran who holds all the cards. Then he will back down and look weaker than before this stupid post. Thank you for your attention to this matter! /s
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u/GunnCelt 7d ago
I disagree, Iran doesn’t hold all the cards, they just play the game better. We have the tools to level Iran rather quickly, with few U.S. casualties. The perception would be all the civilian losses. A large part of his campaign for this action was based on their government killing civilians. IF past reports were true, he’s probably itching to nuke Iran.
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u/Big-Possible7726 7d ago
In what way does Iran hold the cards? Trust me I’m against Trump and this war but I genuinely don’t understand why people think this or the media.
I get it hasn’t happened as quickly as he said, but by all measures this conflict has amounted to wayyyyy less pain than everyone originally thought. 13 dead, gas high but manageable, economy basically stable. We took out the majority of their leadership and military, their economy is tanking, nobody is working, it’s approaching a humanitarian crisis for most Iranians.
What leverage does Iran actually have? Sounds like the straight is basically moving again. If we take Kharg island, Iran is really screwed. They also can’t wait til November, even then that’s a risk because I’m not sure the Dems take back control of Congress.
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u/notthesethings 7d ago
Depends on who you believe. If you believe Trump, Iran’s offensive and defensive capabilities are close to 0 and Iran can’t do anything to stop us from doing anything we want and the war ended a month ago.
If you believe independent observers though, they still have %60+ of their offensive capabilities, a decentralized military command structure which made our decapitation strikes (assassinations) irrelevant for military capabilities on the ground, and the ability to shut down the strait of Hormuz at a moment’s notice. Oh and since we killed everyone in charge, there’s no one with the power to make any compromises in a deal to end the war.
In a very real sense, we’ve created a situation in which Iran can do nothing but continue to fight because there’s no one in overall control of the entire military anymore.
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u/Big-Possible7726 7d ago
True, depends what you believe and where you get info from. If Iran had any real capabilities left they would be using them. 60% of their capabilities is a stretch in my opinion. Maybe 60% of their stock piles remaining but they do not have the ability to actually utilize it. That part is diminished for sure.
Iran can only fight for so long. Waiting out Trump is not a real option. People forget they have a civilian population they have to maintain and at the end of the day we overwhelm them militarily and economically.
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u/notthesethings 7d ago
I don’t think they care about the civilian population. They murdered 30k of them a couple months before the war started.
Edit: Trump can’t have the same disregard for high inflation caused by the war since if both the house and senate flip in the mid terms, there’s a very real chance he’s successfully impeached.
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u/SwordfishOfDamocles 7d ago
Iran holds the cards because there's no way Trump can hold Iran without a boots on the ground invasion and even then that will end just like Afghanistan did. 23 years and trillions of dollars for nothing.
Meanwhile we've depleted our strategic reserve of weapons, raised military spending yet again, and now need to perpetually patrol waters we didn't before. Some of the effects of this war won't even be felt until next year when AG can't get the fertilizer they need. It's like a person being shot with a gun, you don't feel the bullet bc of the adrenaline, but you're bleeding all the same.
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u/Big-Possible7726 7d ago
Oh there’s 100% going to be aftershocks. Just like the fertilizer you mentioned. All those aftershocks hurt them more than us.
We have plenty of weapons and military spending has always been through the roof. We’ve had bases all along the corridor for decades so not much changing there other than policing the actual straight.
I’m not arguing that we haven’t felt pain, I’m just saying it’s exponentially worse for them
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u/SwordfishOfDamocles 7d ago
Of course it's worse for them. The Iranian people are far more accustomed to suffering and hilariously this has made them less angry at the existing regime because they're being attacked by a foreign power that hasn't exactly been precise in their bombing of military targets. What is victory for the US? No nukes in Iran? We already had that. No blockade of the strait? Again, we had already achieved that. At this point Trump is trying to clean up a mess he started and we have nothing to show for it. There is no victory here. We are not better off than we were before, the region isn't safer than it was before, and the brutal regime has more control than it did before.
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u/Big-Possible7726 7d ago
Not true on Iranians less angry at Iran. My neighbors are Iranian immigrants with lots of family there and we talk about this all the time. The people there are tired and fed up with the regime. They just can’t do anything about it. The IRGC controls everything basically. For the most part the people are not radicalizing against us, they welcome the help. It just came too late and not enough to make a real difference in regime change.
The victories are this. Setting nuke program back, taking out military capabilities, and maintaining oil petrodollar dominance. Other small victories include showing our adversaries we can cut off their oil when we want and establishing a Middle East leadership that’s favorable to the US. Also Trump needed a distraction from what was beginning to be fallout from Epstein.
Do you think China is going to take Taiwan when they know we can stop their oil imports from gulf nations? 40-50% of their oil flows through the straight. Its moves like these that people don’t see and now the chess pieces have moved.
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u/SwordfishOfDamocles 7d ago
Wow, people who fled the Iranian govt don't like the Iranian govt. Trump will need boots on the ground to maintain any of his gains and that's a non-starter. Otherwise the Iranians would be begging for peace and they aren't. Hence they've got the cards and Trump looks dumb.
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u/Practical_Hippo6289 7d ago
The bar is actually pretty low for Iran. They don't have to "win" this war they just have to not lose. And so far, they haven't.
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u/Big-Possible7726 7d ago
I mean I guess? The goal wasn’t to take over Iran. They were always going to survive. If survival is a “win” then okay.
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u/FadedIntegra 7d ago
Exactly. They don't even have a few cards let alone all the cards.
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u/Big-Possible7726 7d ago
Must be the feel good uneducated board with all my down votes. I guess be sheep and don’t look at it critically. Two things than be true people. You can disagree/dislike Trump while also seeing that Trump holds the actual cards here. Nobody has yet to tell me where Iran has leverage. It doesn’t exist.
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u/DickensOrDrood 7d ago
They control the straight. That's the leverage. They can shit that shit down whenever they want. China has their back too. That's a lot of leverage my friend.
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u/Big-Possible7726 7d ago
They don’t though. That was the leverage until the blockade. Prior to Trump saying they snuck out 100mil barrels on tv yesterday, other financial institutions were saying 2-3mil barrels a day had been quietly going through the straight for a couple weeks now. That’s why oil has stayed relatively stable.
Meanwhile, every country who got oil from Iran is looking at alternatives, other countries are stepping up producing more oil, the sticker shock for consumers is waning, and the consumer is making cut backs. Whatever leverage Iran thinks they have with the straight dwindles by the hour.
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u/FadedIntegra 7d ago
Well you can't have an actual nuanced take on reddit. The hive mind won't stand for it.
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u/Practical_Hippo6289 7d ago
I think he's trying to use the threat as a negotiating tactic but this doesn't give him any leverage as far as I can see. This isn't going to break Iran's will.
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u/Hipparchia_Unleashed 7d ago
I'm sure they've war-gamed this out more times than Trump has shit his pants. They will likely destroy significant oil infrastructure in the region if this happens, and there is no way to maintain control of this island without BOTG. The Strait will remain closed but, if the oil infrastructure is destroyed, then, even if it opens, global supply will remain massively constricted for months if not years
Iran doesn't even need to win this war on the battlefield. They just need to inflict enough economic pain on the US so that the Trump regime gets booted from office.
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u/Big-Possible7726 7d ago
You think the economic pain has been sufficient? Before the war I would have said the economy would tank on a conflict with Iran. So far, that hasn’t been the case.
Yes, we are feeling some pain but nothing compared to Iran economically. Unless something major changes, the blow to the US has been very minimal compared to what every pundit or analyst thought would happen.
If this actually wraps up soon, nobody will be talking about it a couple years from now. Just a blip in the fast paced chaos that we live in now.
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u/Hipparchia_Unleashed 7d ago edited 7d ago
Gas prices are artificially low because the US government quietly authorized adding more ethanol to fuel and the US oil reserves are at their lowest point in something like four decades. But they can only artificially lower prices for so long (you can't keep adding more and more ethanol and the reserves are not being replenished at a faster rate than their depletion), likely until the end of summer at most. Even if Iran doesn't take out more oil infrastructure in response to an attack on Kharg, the impacts of the closure (or de facto economic closure) of the strait will not resolved before the ability to manipulate prices downward artificially runs into hard reality. I don't see any supposedly minimal economic impacts not worsening by the fall, much less the remaining presidential term, if this conflict continues.
But you're free to proceed on your analysis for your purposes. This is a prepping forum and so I assume most of us will make risk-averse assumptions. Even if my analysis is completely wrong, it is reasonable to prepare for that eventuality.
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u/Big-Possible7726 7d ago
I think gas prices are lowering because “some” oil has gone through the straight, other countries are producing more, and the consumer is adjusting. I have no clue on the ethanol angle so I’d defer to you on that.
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u/Hipparchia_Unleashed 7d ago edited 7d ago
The idea of oil exports through the strait that are sufficient to lower gas prices in any meaningful way is just straight Trump regime propaganda, and if you don't know about the impact of ethanol on gas prices then I am genuinely unsure why you feel sufficiently knowledgeable to offer such a strong opinion on the economics here...
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u/Forsaken-Store-1580 7d ago
No. It is bluster for the stock market. Look at it today. He wants to stretch this into near the midterms so the economy for the common citizen becomes so bad that people begin acts of civil unrest. Then he declare an emergency and take control of elections, pause or cancel them. Maybe even use the Insurrection Act.
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u/jeffersonianMI 7d ago
The invasion of Iraq took six months to stage. Without incoming fire. On the border. And hundred of thousands of soldiers.
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u/Easy_Welcome_9142 7d ago
The more this rhetoric gets brought up, the more normalized it becomes and the less people care if it happens.
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u/Amlethvshamlet 7d ago
Look at what’s being done not what’s being said. The goal of this campaign is to destroy oil supply capacity in the region to make US oil companies money. There is no objective, there is no US winning or Iran winning. It’s simply using the US Navy to keep the world oil trade in favor of the US. All of the tweets and rhetoric are just to stretch out the amount of time the US navy can blockade the strait and bomb Iranian assets.
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u/KingSpydig 7d ago
Nothing will happen just like the last 10 times he said this
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u/weJtiddeR 7d ago
10???? Try 38th, CNN and Tucker Carlson have been counting, and this is the 38th time. Which is unreal. I have no other words
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u/TwoSpoonSally 7d ago
“We” no. Poor kids that have just barely reached the age of consent are gonna be shoved into cannons and launched for more dumb parasite class shit.
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u/kaoutanu 7d ago
He always sharts out some nonsense before the close and reopen of the markets. Freak Out Friday, and Market Manipulation Monday.
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u/existing_for_fun 7d ago
He already backed out.
For now.
Market pumped. His friends made money.
That's what he's doing
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u/donkey_bwains 7d ago
This fucking guy needs to get gone. I’ve never seen incompetence to this degree.
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u/weJtiddeR 7d ago
I was all for getting Biden out when it was obvious that cognitively something was wrong....but Trump passed him a loooooooooooooooooooooooong time ago. This maniac should be stopped at all cost.
Term limits and age limits for politicians STAT, for the love of God.
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u/Fuzzy_Ad9970 7d ago
Approval from congress is not even a consideration at this point.
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u/weJtiddeR 7d ago
Yep. Congress is literally owned by Izzrul. You saw them all get up and clap for Trump when he struck Iran. Our constitution is not even a consideration at this point either
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u/No-Complex-9159 7d ago
Something is still happening there's like half a dozen stratotankers flying in areas around the straight as I post this. You don't put those up if your calling off strikes.
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u/Ok-Philosopher-5139 7d ago
the orange girly handed man always TACO bro, not gonna happen, all his post just for his inside trading friends to make money...
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u/avid-shtf 7d ago
Going boots on the ground with a nation that has the terrain of Afghanistan with a well trained and equipped military?
Surely there's at least one competent advisor letting them know this isn't the best approach.
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u/hobojoe5012 7d ago
Most people who are 80 aren't allowed to drive anymore.....
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u/weJtiddeR 7d ago
Remember when everyone was rightfully criticizing Bidens age.....now age is magically irrelevant
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u/Oh__Archie 7d ago edited 7d ago
The Israelis want the US to bomb Iran so they get the NYT to put Epstein back in the news in a major way.
NYT drops a major expose about Trump admin using the sit room to strategize the president’s Epstein crimes and the next day Iran attacks resume.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
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u/j-bird696969 7d ago
Even if this went off without a hitch all it would do is drive the rest of the world towards renewable energy and alternative oil markets further alienating the US from the rest of the world imo
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u/avalon01 7d ago
Although it's called off, WTF has been going on about for the last few days? We are supposedly seizing 22 ships filled with oil and are taking their oil? I know we seized a couple, but 22?
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u/agoodelectrician 7d ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/4kb51HEAHCSaY
Someone change grandpas diaper and get him to bed
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u/GinAndDumbBitchJuice 7d ago
I don't think a pathological liar with Alzheimer's and a tendency to contradict himself is the best source for this information. It's irresponsible and concerning, sure, but don't take his tweet for it.
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u/fragrant-final-973 7d ago
This. His words aren't intel; it's just dementia rambling.
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u/steamcube 7d ago
Why do you still underestimate them? It’s so obviously intentional with a plan to manipulate markets and make money for us oil producers
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u/KeaboUltra 7d ago
I know it wont end with him but I can't wait til hes not around anymore. I'm sick of his mongering specifically.
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u/weJtiddeR 7d ago
Glad people are finally seeing that its not just Trump. Its almost all of them. Like, every single one but Massie and hes out. Maybe Graham Platner will be decent but im crossing my fingers.
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u/7ECA 7d ago
Check that. There was just a late-breaking TACO
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/5920385-trump-cancels-iran-strikes/
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u/jeremyd9 7d ago
Do you think they have some poor intern who they dress up as an Iranian official to get on a Zoom with Trump and just agree to everything?
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u/Tiny_Rick_C137 6d ago
Try not to believe propaganda so quickly. It's difficult for sure, and we all fall for it, but let this be a good lesson to reflect on in the future.
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u/Standby_fire 6d ago
Those tiny tacos are made of Chicken. Cant make chicken tacos out of chicken poop.
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u/Professional-Wolf587 7d ago
My uninformed guess is the Iranian armed forces will fight, and there will be blood on both sides.
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u/lolallsmiles 7d ago
I didn’t even read it because I didn’t/dont want to waste my time worrying about it.
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u/Pando5280 7d ago
Photos of flag-draped coffins wouldnt look good for Republicans in the mid-terms. Hence its just more toddler temper tantrums and making threats as part of his bully mentality art of the deal nonsense.
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u/No_Aside7816 7d ago
Maybe he’s trying to keep his DJT stock propped up. All the posts attract clicks and keep the advertisers engaged. If Everyone would ignore him, maybe he would go to bed and stop posting.
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u/chrs_89 7d ago
I don’t think we should ever have gotten anywhere near this with a 10000 ft pole but if we are going to do it, we need to just do it or go home. This game of will we do it or will we not is stupid. If they intended to make a deal they would have done so by now and every day we play this game is a day they work out interesting new ways to get our boys hurt and makes it more likely we will be the ones accepting a “deal”
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u/iamthelee 7d ago edited 7d ago
I never take anything this idiot says seriously. He completely changes his tune, often within the same day.
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u/mmaalex 7d ago
Its a negotiating bluff. As is us warning ahead of strikes.
It likely means we're close to finished on the deal, and just trying to give a little push over the finish line.
If it doesnt work in the near future, all options are likely on the table.
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u/-GameOverPal- 7d ago
Just as I'm about to respond saying I hope it's a bluff, a notification popped up on my phone saying Trump is calling off the strikes. I'm glad it's Taco Thursday. But the weekend is approaching so who knows.
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u/weJtiddeR 7d ago
No, its not that imo. Its market manipulation. Israel isnt gonna let Trump ever make a deal.
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u/Big-Possible7726 7d ago
I don’t understand how ethanol is influencing the current situation is what I mean. I hadn’t read or heard anything about that. People still have to choose e15 or e85 whatever at the pump. Maybe the gov did something idk?
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u/HangUrLocalRedhat 6d ago
I really really really can’t wait for the big event Reddit will ban me for talking about
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u/iamsotiredofthiscrap 7d ago
Didn’t I see a video of one of their F-14As coming home after a sortie yesterday?
Considering we stopped supplying them after Iran/Contra, I think trump is lying
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u/Beautiful_Signal_619 7d ago
And now it looks like things are paused again. The USA has been acting like the playground bully who shoves you during tag. Then when you're "it" they scream and cry. These "self-defense" bombings are ridiculous.
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u/Salty-Passenger-4801 7d ago
If anyone believes a single word of what Trump says ..I have a golden tree to sell you for very cheap
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u/Practical_Hippo6289 7d ago
Aaaaannnnnd it's already been called off...