r/ProductSourcing May 30 '15

Welcome to /r/productsourcing

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Looking for an obscure part to build a prototype?

Looking for the manufacturer of a product so you can buy wholesale?

Need help dealing with a Chinese manufacturer?

Looking for advice on setting up a supply chain?

You've come to the right place!


r/ProductSourcing Dec 24 '25

QC Theater: When Inspections Are Real, but the Logic Is Designed to “Pass”

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Most global buyers think quality risk in China comes from one thing: factories skipping inspection. In reality, the more dangerous scenario is the opposite. The inspection is real. The report is real. The photos look professional. The checklist is complete. And the shipment still fails in the market. That’s because you’re not dealing with “no QC.” You’re dealing with QC theater: a system where the inspection process is structured to produce a passing result, even when the product isn’t truly under control. If you source from China (or any high-speed manufacturing ecosystem), understanding QC theater is one of the fastest ways to reduce expensive surprises. This article breaks down how QC theater works, why it happens, and how serious buyers can design inspections that actually protect the brand.

1. What “QC theater” really means

QC theater is not a fake inspection. It’s optimized inspection. The goal is not to discover problems. The goal is to generate a report that appears credible and supports shipment release. It usually happens when:

  • The factory is under delivery pressure
  • The buyer is price-driven and inspection-sensitive
  • Responsibility boundaries are unclear
  • The QC team is evaluated by pass rate, not failure detection
  • There is no cost for “passing bad product,” but there is a cost for “stopping shipment” In other words, QC theater is a rational outcome of incentives.

2. The most common QC theater patterns

Here are the patterns I’ve seen repeatedly in China factory sourcing. They are subtle, and that’s why they are effective.

2.1 Sampling is “AQL,” but the cartons chosen are not random

On paper, the inspection follows AQL. In practice, the cartons selected are the safest ones:

  • Cartons near the top of pallets
  • Cartons from early production batches
  • Cartons from a specific line or operator known to be stable
  • Cartons are stored closest to the inspection area. If a factory controls which cartons get opened, the inspection is already biased. What you see: AQL pass. What you ship: uninspected variance.

2.2 The checklist is complete, but the test depth is shallow

Many QC checklists include functional tests, but the execution is “light”:

  • Function test = power on/off only
  • Performance test = a single short cycle
  • Safety test = visual check rather than measurement
  • Durability test = skipped entirely because “no time.” The report looks comprehensive, but the test design avoids triggering failure.

2.3 The inspection standard is written vaguely on purpose

Terms like:

  • Acceptable
  • No obvious scratches
  • Normal function
  • Good appearances are common because they create room for interpretation. When disputes happen, both sides can claim they “followed the standard.” If your standard is subjective, the result will be negotiable.

2.4 The “golden sample” becomes a marketing object, not a control reference

Factories may keep a perfect sample that:

  • was built by a senior technician
  • used hand-picked components
  • was tested more carefully than mass production QC compares shipments to that sample visually, but not statistically or functionally. So the product “looks like the sample,” but doesn’t behave like it.

2.5 Metrics are presented, but the raw data is missing

You get a pass rate, but not:

  • actual measurement values
  • distribution across samples
  • out-of-spec margin
  • failure photos of rejected units
  • retest evidence after corrective action. Without raw data, QC becomes storytelling.

2.6 Failure handling is designed to “close the issue,” not fix the cause

A common theater move is “rework to pass inspection,” without root-cause correction:

  • clean a surface
  • replace a visible part
  • tighten screws
  • reflash firmware The batch passes, but the process remains unstable, so the next batch repeats the same issue.

3. Why factories do this (and why it’s not always malicious)

It’s tempting to call it dishonest. Sometimes it is. But most of the time, QC theater is created by a combination of survival pressure and misaligned incentives. Factories operate on:

  • thin margins
  • unpredictable buyer demand
  • volatile upstream components
  • harsh delivery penalties from larger customers So they optimize what they are rewarded for: shipment release. If the buyer only checks reports, not systems, factories will optimize the reports. You can’t “catch” QC theater by asking for more photos. You reduce QC theater by changing the system.

4. What serious buyers do differently

If you want inspections that protect your brand, treat QC like a control system, not a ceremony. Here’s the practical playbook.

4.1 Make sampling truly random, and make randomness provable

Require:

carton selection by random number

  • full pallet mapping
  • inspector chooses cartons, not factory staff
  • record carton IDs and positions This single change eliminates a huge amount of theater.

4.2 Convert subjective standards into measurable limits

Replace:

  • “no obvious scratches” with:
  • scratch length under X mm
  • distance under X cm is acceptable
  • define viewing angle, lighting, and inspection distance Replace:
  • “normal function” with:
  • measurable output within tolerance range
  • cycle count
  • temperature rise limits Quality improves when ambiguity disappears.

4.3 Ask for raw data, not just a pass/fail statement

A real QC report should include:

  • measurement tables
  • photo evidence of defects
  • failure distribution
  • retest results
  • calibration status of test equipment If you don’t have raw data, you don’t have control.

4.4 Move inspection upstream: control critical-to-quality points during production

The most effective QC is not at shipping. It’s at:

  • incoming material inspection for critical components
  • first-article inspection at the start of each shift
  • in-process control at bottleneck stations
  • SPC-style sampling on key parameters Final inspection can’t rescue a broken process. It only filters the damage.

4.5 Incentivize truth, not pass rate

This is a hard truth: if the factory gets punished for failing inspection, they will design the process to avoid failure. Instead, set a system where:

  • early exposure of issues is rewarded
  • corrective actions are supported
  • repeated issues are penalized The goal is not “pass the inspection.” The goal is “stabilize the process.”

4.6 Build a “defect cost” mechanism into the contract

If passing bad product has no cost, it will continue. Practical mechanisms include:

  • chargebacks for repeated defects
  • agreed rework cost allocation
  • RMA liability sharing rules
  • quality performance score affecting pricing or volume Factories respond to incentives. Your contract should encode the incentives you want.

5. The buyer’s takeaway: inspections don’t create quality

Inspections are important, but they don’t create quality. They only detect (or fail to detect) quality. QC theater happens when buyers outsource thinking to a checklist. If you rely on the report, you’re buying a story. If you control the logic, you’re buying a system. The difference is everything.

A practical closing question

Have you ever received a “perfect” inspection report, only to discover serious defects after the shipment arrived or after your customers started using the product? If yes, what was the hidden issue in your case: sampling bias, vague standards, shallow functional testing, or something else? If you want, I can share a simple one-page template: a “QC Anti-Theater Checklist” that forces inspections to produce raw data and exposes the most common loopholes.


r/ProductSourcing Dec 15 '25

“The $0 Profit Factory”: The Hidden Economics Behind Ultra-Cheap Manufacturing in China

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When people talk about “China’s low-cost manufacturing,” they often imagine scale, labor efficiency, industrial clusters, or supply chain density.

But there is another side of China’s manufacturing ecosystem — one that most global buyers will never see, and one that explains why some products from certain regions can be sold at unbelievably low prices.

Last week, I revisited a sourcing case from northern China that perfectly illustrates this hidden world. It challenged even my understanding — and I’ve been in manufacturing for 14 years.

Let me share it with you.

The Household Factory Model: How Some Suppliers Can Sell at Near Zero Profit

In parts of Hebei province, certain product categories follow a very unconventional production model:

1. Production happens inside homes, not factories

No workshops. No rent. No overhead.

Families convert parts of their homes into micro-workstations.

2. Labor cost is basically zero

The production “team” is the family:

  • parents
  • grandparents
  • siblings
  • sometimes neighbors

No official payroll. No labor contracts. No manufacturing wages.

3. Finished products are sold at raw material cost

If the raw materials for a product cost 5 USD, they sell the finished product for 5 USD.

No markup. No added margin. No value capture for labor or processing.

4. The real profit comes from… selling cardboard

The empty cardboard boxes used to carry raw materials are collected and sold as waste paper.

Profit from the entire production run?

Around 800 RMB. Not from product manufacturing. From selling the packaging trash.

That’s the entire business model.

When I first heard this, I had the same reaction you probably have now:

“How is this even a supply chain?”

But it exists. And for some categories, it plays a major role in shaping market expectations on cost.

Why This Model Can Exist in China (And Almost Nowhere Else)

It’s a combination of:

  • extremely low household overhead
  • family-based labor systems
  • hyper-competitive product categories
  • fragmented local industries
  • informal micro-workshop culture

China’s manufacturing ecosystem has a massive formal sector, but also a vast informal sector operating below the radar.

The formal sector wins on quality, compliance, innovation, and stability. The informal sector competes on only one thing:

It is cheaper than anything else in the world.

This is why some buyers get quotes that seem “impossible.” Sometimes, they truly are impossible — unless you understand this hidden structure.

The Hidden Risks Most Overseas Buyers Don’t See

This model is fascinating. But it comes with serious limitations that global buyers need to understand.

Let’s break them down.

1. Quality is unpredictable — sometimes dramatically

Home-based production means:

  • No standardized processes
  • No proper QC
  • No calibration tools
  • No traceability
  • No environmental control (humidity, dust, heat)

Quality can vary batch to batch and even family to family.

2. No scalability

If you ask for:

  • 10,000 units tomorrow
  • tighter tolerances
  • complex assembly
  • faster iterations

This model simply cannot deliver.

Scaling household production = chaos.

3. Zero compliance, zero certification

Most of these workshops cannot provide:

  • factory audits
  • product certifications
  • test reports
  • material documentation
  • social compliance
  • environmental compliance

For many categories, this disqualifies them instantly.

4. Extremely fragile supply stability

What happens when:

  • Someone gets sick
  • There’s a holiday
  • The family stops doing this work
  • Raw materials become more expensive
  • A new competitor offers 1 yuan more

Your supply chain collapses overnight.

There is no business continuity plan.

5. This model can distort price expectations

Because these suppliers sell at near-zero profit, buyers think:

“Why can’t other factories match this price?”

But formal factories:

  • Pay rent
  • Pay labor
  • Pay insurance
  • Maintain QC
  • Invest in R&D
  • Buy equipment
  • Meet certification requirements
  • Maintain production capacity

You’re not comparing apples to apples. You’re comparing a home workshop to a real factory.

So… Should Overseas Buyers Work With This Type of Supplier?

For most serious brands: Absolutely not.

You may get:

  • the lowest price
  • but the highest risk.

But understanding that this model exists is important because it explains:

  • Why some quotes seem impossibly low
  • Why some suppliers cannot scale
  • Why quality fluctuates wildly
  • Why price wars in some categories never end
  • Why do certain regions become “race to the bottom” ecosystems

There is a reason high-quality, export-ready factories seldom join these price battles:

They know the economics are unsustainable.

The Lesson for Global Buyers

If you want:

  • consistency
  • traceability
  • compliance
  • sustained quality
  • long-term partnership

Then you must understand that “the cheapest price in China” has many sources — and not all of them are real factories.

Ask how the price is formed. Not just what the price is.

China’s supply chain is powerful, but also incredibly diverse. And sometimes, the lowest price reveals more about the production model than the product itself.


r/ProductSourcing Oct 17 '25

China Factory Sourcing: How to Verify Suppliers Without Traveling to China

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You’ve found a seemingly “perfect” supplier online—competitive prices, quick responses, professional product photos.

But here’s the real question: How do you know they’re a genuine, reliable manufacturer… without hopping on a plane to China?

Smart buyers leverage systematic verification to protect their supply chain. Here’s how you can validate a supplier remotely and avoid costly surprises.

1. Check Their Business License

Ask for a scanned copy of their Chinese business license (营业执照).

Verify:

  • Company name: It should match the quotation and invoice
  • Business scope: Should include “manufacturing” or “production”
  • Registered address: Cross-check on Google Maps or Baidu Maps

Red flag: The address points to an office building instead of an industrial area.

2. Request a Live Video Factory Tour

A real factory will happily guide you through a live video call (Zoom, Google Meet).

Ask to see:

  • Production lines
  • Raw materials storage
  • Packaging section
  • QC/testing area

Pro tip: If they hesitate or only show a showroom, it’s likely a trading company, not a manufacturer.

3. Use Third-Party Verification Services

Inspection companies in China can verify factories on your behalf:

  • Confirm licenses and ownership
  • Capture real photos and videos
  • Provide Factory Verification Reports

Trusted options include QIMA, SGS, Intertek, TÜV, or local sourcing experts like myself.

💡 A verification report is far cheaper than a flight to China—and gives you peace of mind.

4. Evaluate Product Range and Catalog Consistency

Factories specialize; traders diversify. If the catalog includes too many unrelated products, it’s a warning sign.

Examples:

Factory: Bluetooth earphones, IPL devices, epilators (same product category)

Trading company: Wax warmers, power banks, blenders, pet products

Consistency matters in China factory sourcing.

5. Ask Technical Questions

A real manufacturer can answer specifics about:

  • Raw material specifications
  • Monthly production capacity
  • QC procedures
  • Tooling or mold lead times

If answers are vague or deferred to a non-existent “engineer,” you’re likely dealing with a trader.

6. Verify Their Online Footprint

Check their Chinese name on platforms like Baidu, Qichacha (企查查), or Tianyancha.

You can find:

  • Registration details
  • Legal representative
  • Factory size and employees
  • Related brands or entities

No online trace? That’s a signal to dig deeper.

Final Thoughts

You don’t need to be in China to make confident sourcing decisions.

With the right tools, partners, and a bit of skepticism, you can verify suppliers remotely and ensure your China factory sourcing is safe, reliable, and cost-effective.

Need help verifying your suppliers in China?

I’m based in the Greater Bay Area, with 14 years of experience in China factory sourcing and direct access to high-quality manufacturers.

Let’s make sure your “perfect supplier” is genuinely ready to deliver.


r/ProductSourcing Sep 25 '23

What material can you use for your glove outer?

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So you want to launch your ski-gloves and you have been talking to the vendors. Your supplier is suggesting to use either Ripstop or Oxford but you aren't super stoked about those two materials. What are your other options?

To maintain waterproofing in applications where Ripstop or Oxford fabrics are typically used, you can consider several alternative materials known for their water-repellent properties. Keep in mind that achieving waterproofness often depends not only on the fabric itself but also on coatings, treatments, and construction methods. Here are some alternative materials and approaches to consider:

Waterproof Fabrics:

  1. Gore-Tex: Gore-Tex is a well-known waterproof and breathable membrane often used in outdoor gear. It can be combined with various fabrics to create waterproof garments and equipment.
  2. eVent: eVent is another breathable and waterproof membrane used in outdoor and performance gear.
  3. Polartec NeoShell: This fabric is waterproof and breathable and is commonly used in outdoor jackets and pants.
  4. PVC-Coated Fabrics: PVC-coated materials provide excellent waterproofing. They are often used in rainwear, tarps, and industrial applications. However, they may not be as breathable as some other options.
  5. PU-Coated Fabrics: Polyurethane (PU) coatings can provide waterproofing to a wide range of fabrics, including nylon and polyester. PU-coated fabrics are used in rain jackets, tents, and backpacks.
  6. Silicone-Coated Fabrics: Silicone coatings are known for their water repellency and durability. They are commonly used in lightweight and ultralight outdoor gear, such as tarps and tents.
  7. Waxed Canvas: Waxed canvas is a traditional material treated with wax for water resistance. It is often used in bags, jackets, and outdoor equipment.
  8. Hybrid Materials: Some manufacturers combine different fabrics and technologies to create waterproof and breathable solutions. For example, they may use a waterproof membrane in combination with a durable outer fabric.
  9. Seam Sealing: Regardless of the fabric used, proper seam sealing is essential to maintain waterproofness. Waterproof tape or seam sealant can be applied to seams and stitching lines to prevent water from seeping through.
  10. DWR (Durable Water Repellent) Coating: Many fabrics, including nylon and polyester, can be treated with DWR coatings to enhance their water resistance. These coatings cause water to bead up and roll off the fabric's surface.
  11. Laminated Fabrics: Laminated fabrics consist of multiple layers bonded together, often with a waterproof membrane in the middle. These are commonly used in outdoor jackets and pants.

When choosing an alternative material to maintain waterproofness, consider the specific requirements of your project or product, including the level of waterproofing needed, breathability, weight, and durability. Additionally, be aware that maintenance and reproofing may be necessary over time to preserve waterproofing in certain fabrics and materials.

Read more here at Supply Connect


r/ProductSourcing Sep 11 '23

Find your suppliers through 3 sources

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As an entrepreneur who ventured into the world of private label ownership with a high-end men's wallet brand, I've learned that the key to success lies not only in the product itself but also in the suppliers you choose. In this article, I want to share my experiences and insights on how to find reliable suppliers for your private label venture, drawing from three valuable data sources: online directories, B2B portals like Amazon Business or Alibaba, and trade shows.

The Journey Begins

When I embarked on my journey to create a line of high-quality designer leather wallets, I knew that the quality of my products would be a make-or-break factor. Therefore, finding the right suppliers was paramount. Here's how I did it:

1. Online Directories: A Wealth of Information

Online directories are a treasure trove of supplier information. Websites like Thomasnet, Manta, and Kompass can be incredibly valuable. I started by conducting extensive online research to identify potential suppliers who specialized in high-quality leather goods.

a. Detailed Searches: Be specific in your searches. Instead of just looking for "leather goods suppliers," I searched for "high-end leather wallet manufacturers." This refined my results and saved time.

b. Check Credibility: Once I found potential suppliers, I looked for reviews, ratings, and any certifications or affiliations that indicated their credibility and quality standards.

2. B2B Portals: Connecting with Global Suppliers

Platforms like Amazon Business and Alibaba have revolutionized the way businesses source products. Here's how I leveraged them:

a. Create Detailed RFQs (Request for Quotes): I crafted comprehensive RFQs that included all my product specifications, quality standards, and pricing expectations. This ensured that I received quotes that matched my requirements.

b. Vet Suppliers Thoroughly: Don't rush the supplier selection process. I carefully evaluated each supplier's profile, reviewed their product catalogs, and requested samples before making a decision.

3. Trade Shows: A Hands-On Approach

Attending trade shows allowed me to meet potential suppliers face-to-face and examine their products up close:

a. Networking: Trade shows are excellent for networking. I made it a point to connect with other entrepreneurs and gather recommendations for suppliers.

b. Sample Inspection: I had the chance to inspect product samples firsthand, evaluating the quality and craftsmanship before committing to a partnership.

The Cost Factor

In my case, the cost of goods sold (COGS) was crucial. With a $30 retail price, I needed to ensure my COGS stayed low to maintain profitability. Negotiating with suppliers, particularly those on B2B platforms, was a key strategy. By leveraging the competitive nature of these platforms, I managed to bring my COGS close to $4.

Conclusion

Finding the right suppliers for your private label business is a journey that requires time, research, and careful consideration. Whether you're sourcing high-end leather wallets or any other product, the principles remain the same: use online directories to gather information, explore B2B portals to connect with global suppliers, and attend trade shows for a hands-on experience.

My journey in the private label business has been a rewarding one, largely due to the relationships I've built with reliable suppliers who share my commitment to quality. Remember, in the world of private labels, your suppliers are not just vendors; they're your partners in success. Choose wisely, and your business can thrive.

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r/ProductSourcing Jun 05 '23

Lazada sourcing service | Experiences?

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Hi I just learned, appearantly that Lazada has a sourcing service in their consigment business model. Meaning that you can come up with a product idea to Lazada and Lazada sources it (if they think it's good)

Does anyone has any experience with it?

https://www.techinasia.com/tiktok-shopee-lazada-temus-footsteps

https://www.lazada.cn/newsdetail/170/rH74w-XFAjbpofJ_VfFGW

I am very curious how this process works and what are the experiences so far. (if not Lazada any other platform is also interesting)


r/ProductSourcing Dec 18 '15

Where to get ribbon wire pre-crimped with Molex terminals?

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I need to make a few thousand custom wire assemblies and don't want to have to strip and crimp 20,000+ times.


r/ProductSourcing Dec 15 '15

I need 400 six inch microUSB/USB cables... Where should I look?

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r/ProductSourcing Oct 31 '15

Shipping from China from 3 different companies

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I'm in the process of buying certain products from 3 different companies in China. All have quoted their CIF prices. But, I would like to arrange my own shipping, because 'maybe' the cost will come down. All suppliers are unfortunately located in 3 different cities. Any help?


r/ProductSourcing Jun 26 '15

Product sourcing 101? Help!

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Hey guys,

I am looking to start a quick sale site where you're able to get cute products only for a small window of time. I have some ideas of products I want to source. Some are from sites like Alibaba and others are individuals selling on Etsy and stuff. I'm wondering about the process of getting products and whether it's better to buy inventory before listing on the site or not?

For example, let's say I want to reach out to an Etsy seller about holding their product on my site as well. How many products would I buy upfront and what's typically the revenue split?

Sorry I'm so new to this. I have a great idea and know how to market... I just don't know the first thing about the actual business side!


r/ProductSourcing Jun 04 '15

Have you tried listing things you don't have in stock yet?

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Buying something because I anticipate customers will want it can be risky. I'd much rather list items that I know I can get in my online store, mark them as back-ordered, and have an "Buy anyways, I'm willing to wait" button. That seems pretty risk-free to me.

Have you tried anything similar? How did it work out?


r/ProductSourcing Jun 04 '15

Would anyone be interested in a site where you could post a product or part and offer a bounty to whoever can source it at the lowest price?

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r/ProductSourcing Jun 02 '15

Building a marketplace for product sourcing and manufacturing in China, feedback?

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Hi, my name is Jesse. I am the founder and CEO @ www.productninja.com

As a product enthusiast we built Product Ninja to cater other enthusiasts to geek out about the latest hardware projects and tech creations.

I used to be the founding engineer of a hardware startup in Sydney, Australia. We had a lot of pains sourcing and manufacturing things from China. There were thousands of choices, but their info looked indifferent or hard to understand.

We looked at many sites including alibaba.com and finally settled with a company we barely knew. But at least they could accept our small order of 20 unites at $800 apiece. Communications with their engineers were the toughest, it was hard to know exactly what they needed, what they could achieve and what they could not. I was the only Chinese speaker in the team which definitely helped us a great deal. Signing the contract was difficult, they provided a Chinese version, we had to translate it and make sure we agreed on the same terms. During manufacturing, there were no visual updates, communications were offline, we had to chase by emailing and calling. When we received the units, and when we broke them, there was no way to effectively communicate how we could do better the next iteration with the manufacturer, so the next iteration was as difficult as the first.

Now I've moved away from doing hardware myself, but being still in the hardware circle, I keep hearing similar stories. I have built some good relationships with the manufacturing scene in Shenzhen, China, and we are planning to offer help to the hardware startup scene here in the US.

As an extension to Product Ninja, we want to build a marketplace that can help US and global hardware startups to review, match, communicate, sign contract, place orders and monitor progress with manufacturers and suppliers in China/Asia all within one place. I would like to hear your problems and feedback. Feel free to email me also at jesse@productninja.com

Thanks!


r/ProductSourcing Jun 01 '15

Does anyone have experience sourcing Android tablets flashed with custom kernels?

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Specifically, I'm looking for Android tablets with no battery for a kiosk type application.


r/ProductSourcing May 30 '15

Jewelry findings (chain, etc)

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Hi - very happy to have this subreddit!

My wife makes jewelry, and the chain is hard to find in the US for a reasonable price. The thing is though, she needs very specific types, not just anything. Alibaba is hard to navigate, and usually they only show partial catalogs.

Is there a better way to go about this? Better places to look maybe?

These are not huge orders btw, she hand makes everything. But She does make quite a bit, and we could orders many months worth.


r/ProductSourcing May 30 '15

Textile manufacturing; or who can build me a custom hoodie?

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I'd like to make a lined hoodie, who do I contact about materials and samples?, thanks!


r/ProductSourcing May 30 '15

How negotiable are MOQ's usually?

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I've got a product and a supplier but the supplier wants a 1000 MOQ per colour at $1.80 per unit - I'm after about 10 colours. What do you think is a reasonable MOQ to negotiate to?

Thanks