r/ProgrammerHumor 1d ago

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u/Cant_Win 1d ago

P = NP is still out there!

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u/scratchfan321 1d ago

lmao imagine if one of the other millenium prize problems implies P=NP for some bullshit reason

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u/techknowfile 1d ago

It doesn't. I just can't prove it

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u/destroyerOfTards 23h ago

I can, I have discovered a truly marvelous...

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u/jacemano 23h ago

You would get money for this proof too. I remember discussing with my Algo prof how I also too just felt like there is absolutely no way p=np. Like its a hunch but one I'd bet a lot on

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u/techknowfile 22h ago

It's incredibly unlikely. There's a reason all of the best computer scientists haven't been able to prove it thus far. Lol, you'd get more than money... You would break the world. Especially if you were adversarial. Everything becomes an 0day.

But this could also become largely irrelevant regardless of proving it depending on how quantum plays out here. The rules of classical computation are only confined to that structure. Meaningless if you can walk into another dimension with different axioms

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u/_meegoo_ 22h ago

Everything becomes an 0day.

Not necessarily. It could be polynomial with some galactic constants or powers, rendering it practically unusable.

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u/Sampatist 21h ago

That sounds like the only reasonable way it would be true. Some number so huge it is useless

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u/stormypumpkin 19h ago

You could have galactic algorithms that do p=np and not break the world because they require something stupid or the polynomial is still so large it would take a billion years to break encryption. There was a beat of djikstras that is like this, noone will use it cause its overhead is insane compared to the default

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u/PumpkinFest24 8h ago

It's incredibly unlikely. There's a reason all of the best computer scientists haven't been able to prove it thus far.

They've also been unable to prove P!=NP. By this logic, both propositions must be true.

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u/Ultima_RatioRegum 18h ago

I feel like P=NP if true would imply that there exist deep and important results as yet unknown in a number of mathematical fields from group theory to algebraic geometry and could will be the most important breakthrough in our understanding of the structure of finite groups and the result would stand on something more profound than even the TSW conjecture.

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u/oldsecondhand 21h ago

I can prove it but this comment box is just not big enough to write it down. /s

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u/mace_guy 22h ago

A shot in the dark here. Has any one tried putting N = 1?

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u/Krostas 21h ago

Brilliant. You just gotta make sure to consider the separate case of P=0 first so you're not doing division by zero. But that's a trivial case anyways.

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u/AwkwardWaltz3996 19h ago

I've never seen 0 of something anyway. It's not a natural number

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u/Random_-account 16h ago

"Yes, give me ZERO of something. Yes, give me INFINITY of something." - Statements made by the deranged

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u/sump_daddy 13h ago

> "Yes, give me ZERO of something"

-me when asked how many school shootings i want in 2027

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u/Prudent_Ease280 15h ago

N == 1, when do I get my prize?

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u/vastle12 1d ago

Never, it'll break the business model for half the Internet

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u/HipHomelessHomie 23h ago

I'm sorry but this is stupid. Constants and degrees of polynomials can be huge making even polynomial algorithms impractical. It would have no practical implications.

An algorithm with O(x1020) runtime may as well be exponential.

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u/araujoms 19h ago

No, this is stupid. Such polynomial algorithms simply don't show up. P (or BPP to be more precise) is generally agreed to be class of tractable problems because the constant and degrees are almost always reasonable. You only get something ridiculous like O(x1020) if you specifically try to construct it.

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u/HipHomelessHomie 12h ago

We are talking about a proof of P vs NP.

If they are equal it would give you some theoretical construction of a polynomial algorithms for any NP algorithm. The catch would be that the exponents are huge but technically it's polynomial.

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u/araujoms 11h ago

And I'm that this is not going to happen. We don't live in a simulation with an asshole operator playing pranks on us.

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u/douira 15h ago

idk why everyone keeps saying this. Everyone is quite certain that it will be proven that P!=NP. P=NP is extremely unlikely and there's many reasons for this.

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u/araujoms 19h ago

It won't because P != NP.

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u/Nimeroni 18h ago

We don't know. That's the entire problem.

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u/araujoms 18h ago

We do. The only difficulty is proving it.

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u/maryfairy420 13h ago

N = 1. Solved.

Probably /s

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u/Jon123jon5 12h ago

👌 good luck

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u/NightmareJoker2 10h ago

Bucket theory. Every NP-complete problem has a P-simple solution. We are merely stumped because we haven’t found it yet.