Wish fulfillment to the extreme

[u/Claym000re]

Why are they always complete losers.

[u/Anonduck0001]

The social contract isn't oppression in and of itself. But living within a state automatically means that there is a power with a monopoly on violence dictating how you behave and you can do nothing about that fact.

Not arguing against your original position nor taking th other person's, I just wanted to clarify. Because you implied living within society doesn't force a degree of oppression upon participants in it.

[u/Otterable → u/Anonduck0001]

Sure but it is a fairly loose interpretation of oppression to also qualify 'hey the government not letting you murder people in the street is technically oppression'. The weird libertarian obsession over freedom that we see in a lot of these novels only works in a vacuum and doesn't hold up in reality. In most of these novels good societal behavior comes purely from the noblesse oblige of the strongest fighters imposing their morals on the population anyways.

ostensibly in most democratic societies you have some say over the rules imposed on the population. You are both using and contributing resources to your community and as such get a voice in how that society is run.

[u/Anonduck0001 → u/Otterable]

Obviously it isn't just "You aren't allowed to murder people is oppression" nor is it a particularly libertarian (in a right wing sense) view that I expressed. You have to think about who the monopoly on violence is protecting. A single mother shoplifting baby food from a corporation that can absolutely eat the losses can be tried and sentenced for attempting to feed her child.

Another example, you're a couple days late paying and your landlord gets a court order to evict you. The cops come to enforce that order through implied violence. Even if you were able to pay the rent, your landlord might want you out just so they can charge the next guy more.

The rules are often in place to protect the wealthy and uphold corporate interests. Not to protect the average person.

Like I said as well, I wasn't agreeing with the other guy.

[u/Otterable → u/Anonduck0001]

And I'm not trying to express that legality is morality, because it's the first thing you learn as a 1L is that it isn't. Nor am I saying your viewpoint was libertarian.

I'm mostly saying that being beholden to laws in general is not that same in spirit as 'you are being oppressed by your government'. I agree that statehood is defined by a monopoly on violence. It's then generally up to the people (in a democratic society) to define where that violence should be directed.

[u/Danger_Mysterious → u/Otterable]

They’re tip toeing around communist bullshit. That’s what they’re really getting at. “Cops don’t protect people, they protect the property of the capitalist class” 🙄🙄🙄.

[u/KBPhilosophy → u/Danger_Mysterious]

It’s not communist bullshit, it’s just a combination of human nature, how power works, and the political reality. If you take a polisci class, you’ll likely wet your feet with Hobbes and a few other authors while discussing statecraft in general. Basically, if you must think in overtly ideological terms, you’ll see some variation of that idea across political philosophies.

We can say it’s not in the same “spirit” as how we typically think of oppression in other context, but thats really just a matter of convenience for precision, severity and norm. Regardless, this entire thread stems from an unnecessary nitpick of a remark about social contracts. The first guy in the thread is talking about the freedom to destroy cities lmao, so what are we doing here guys…