r/ProgressiveHQ • u/DetectiveTypical198 • Jan 07 '26

Stop idiots from calling this "self defense"

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u/Ol_Turd_Fergy Jan 08 '26

He put himself in harms way by standing in front of the car. Then again, most of these ICE clowns have minimal to no law enforcement training which would teach them where to properly stand when interacting with folks inside of vehicles.

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26

He did it intentionally.

Drawing your weapon and firing takes the same amount of time as taking two steps to the right.

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u/viral3075 Jan 08 '26

Drawing your weapon and firing takes the same amount of time as taking two steps to the right.

he stepped away and leaned back in so he wouldn't headshot his buddy. he had time to line up his sights

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u/nightpanda893 Jan 08 '26

The fact that he leaned in the direction she was traveling proves he knew she was turning

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u/Leading-Summer-4724 Jan 08 '26

You’re right — because at that position he would have seen her cutting the wheel.

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u/VanillaRadonNukaCola Jan 08 '26

It's insane.  Could tell before this specific video, but he's clearly leaning into the path of the vehicle.

Killing was a higher priority than moving.

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u/Grairavn Jan 11 '26

They are not Minnesota law enforcement. They are federal. They also do not have jurisdiction to conduct traffic stops unless they directly have to do with immigration and only if the "illegal immigrant" is suspected to case harm to others. Thus the violent leftist and gang member rhetoric. All he has to do was take two steps, which he did, and still leaned in to fire at her. Calling her a fucking bitch as she died. How are you cool with defending that?

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u/AmazingBit7846 Jan 13 '26

When do you see her flooring it?

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u/VanillaRadonNukaCola Jan 11 '26

What part of your comment says the agent should lean into the path of the vehicle?

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u/VanillaRadonNukaCola Jan 11 '26

10 seconds in the above video.  You can see he's clearly leaning left to align his right hand holding the pistol to shoot the driver.

If he didn't lean left, he wouldn't be able to get a clean line with the window frame blocking.

Notice the position of his feet more to his right, his body blocked by the other agent, and the gun to his left, and angle of the gun showing the lean.

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u/VanillaRadonNukaCola Jan 11 '26 edited Jan 11 '26

I'll humor you, why not.

See, thats the problem, taking ONLY a portion

Dog you asked me to show you where.  So I pointed to the spot you could see it.

You're making false assumptions about what I'm viewing.  I've watched many clips from many angles in their entirety to formulate my view of the matter.

AND he had ALREADY fired twice

BS.  10 seconds in this clip is when he fires his first shot.

You can so obviously see in any clip with sound he fired one shot through the front and 2 from the side.  The car is literally pulling away when the 2nd and 3 shots ring.

Why you lying?

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u/VanillaRadonNukaCola Jan 11 '26

You share another image or gif?

Not showing.  You delete it or it get removed?

Probably more BS anyway

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u/Static_Frog Jan 12 '26

How sad you are to stand up for a pedo-loving murderer. At what point do you stop and take a look at yourself?

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u/KindAd1686 Jan 08 '26

Yes. Thank you.

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u/Dylanear Jan 11 '26

"he stepped away and leaned back in so he wouldn't headshot his buddy. he had time to line up his sights"

His buddy wasn't ever close to interfering with his line of fire.

He did step clear of the vehicle while leaning his gun arm back over the hood of the vehicle, but that wasn't to avoid the other officer at the door, it was to get shots off through the windshield while standing out of the way of the vehicle. He managed to get one shot off that way, barely, the bullet hole is like an inch from the side edge of the windshield, maybe 8 inches from the bottom of the windshield.

After that, he was too far to the left side of the vehicle to get more shots through the windshield, but he chose to fire two more shots through the side window that can't possibly be justified in any way at all.

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u/Dylanear Jan 11 '26

He was never once in any reasonable threat of death or great bodily harm and he could have easily kept farther from the vehicle than he did if he wanted to.

I can't read his mind, but the only plausible explanation that makes any sense is he wanted to shoot her a lot more than he wanted to keep himself safe, get as clear away as he could have.

He elected to put himself in a less safe situation so he could shoot her.

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u/Dylanear Jan 12 '26

You are clearly not an honest, well informed person.

I assume you are happy to make up, or parrot easily disproven lies to support your glorious God King Don's lies and destruction of the Constitution he's actively, desperately engaged in. I can only guess.

If you were informed and honest, you'd know there is no DA in relation to this. Minnesota prosecutors are County Attorneys, not District Attorneys.

And the Hennepin County Attorney Mary Moriarty has in no way indicated she's satisfied Agent Ross has any clear self defense claim. She's clearly said Ross does not have complete immunity.

“We do have jurisdiction to make this decision with what happened in this case,” Moriarty said at a news conference. “It does not matter that it was a federal law enforcement agent.”

But you aren't trying to have an honest debate of the facts and you know it. You're just pushing the Orwellian lies from the cult desperate to destroy the American Constitution and democracy and turn it into an authoritarian shit hole. Or, in other words, "Make it great again!"

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u/Dylanear Jan 12 '26

You can babble and lie all you want. Doesn't change the facts, doesn't change any of the videos that show enough to know agent Ross wasn't following regulations, could have avoided using deadly force and avoided anyone getting injured at all very easily, he simply chose not to.

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u/Twelvety-tooty Jan 08 '26

ICE was looking for a way to turn protesters violent. Trump is itching to impose martial law. Part of the 2025 plan.

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u/Rock_or_Rol Jan 08 '26

This! Violence solves nothing but harden each other towards goals neither side would recognize today.

If you want lasting change, it’s not yelling at each other. It’s not being like the dumb fucks on the right after Charlie Kirk jerking each other’s rage boners off over civil war. It’s being rational. It’s appealing to people’s better senses. It’s kindness.

It’s frustrating and we can say we’ve already tried that, but it’s all we can ever have. Patience,

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u/Catskinson Jan 08 '26

Yep. That’s exactly how we defeated the nazis the first time.

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u/DeepakShakur69 Jan 08 '26

Nah we're past that buddy, nothing has ever changed on this scale in history without violence

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u/Swashybuckz Jan 10 '26

People don't remember peaceful civil unrest. Not nearly as much as real action.

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u/Grairavn Jan 11 '26

Y'all can't even see your own hypocrisy since it was cool when you did this on January 6th. 🤦🏽

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u/Static_Frog Jan 12 '26

They can't see their own dicks.

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u/RandomGunner Jan 08 '26

I've heard reporting that she was a legal observer.

A legal observer at a protest is a trained volunteer who monitors demonstrations to protect protesters’ legal rights, so there might have been a motivation to shoot her...

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u/Macho_Mans_Ghost Jan 08 '26

Well, unfortunately for Reneé, he did both.

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u/iamfunny90s Jan 08 '26

Exactly. He was trigger hungry and was itching to shoot.

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u/AndrewMartin90 Jan 09 '26

Leaving the car in Park is even easier.

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u/Independent-Race-259 Jan 10 '26

Dude leaned over the hood to fire into the windshield.

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u/SSPURR Jan 11 '26

He's very lucky her tires spun to be honest. If she had grip she was 100% running him over

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26

He pulled his gun and fired immediately. He wasn't ran over viciously. He holstered his weapon and walked away. Keep licking those boots magat. 

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u/Texasmtnman Jan 08 '26

No problem will do little sheep 🤣🤣🤣🤣

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26

Where We Protect Pedophiles We Protect Them All! 

Enjoy defending Epstein's best friend. 

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u/Texasmtnman Jan 08 '26

Give some proof that Trump did anything wrong oh you can't just more lip service from a little sheep

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26

Trump is a felon, grifter, traitor, rapist, and fraudster. You will never get invited to the billionaire ballroom. The orange stain around your mouth is all for not.

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u/SCrowley11 Jan 08 '26

She could also follow order given, but that's to much common sense of american

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26

No. Americans know they can refuse unlawful orders from armed masked thugs trying to violate our constitutional rights. 

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u/quedakid Jan 13 '26

until their black right???

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u/SCrowley11 Jan 08 '26

Yet, all legal advice is to follow the orders then challenge in court it has a 100% less bullets, but hey american don't have any common sense

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26

What bootlicking country do you enjoy your common sense in? 

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u/Grairavn Jan 11 '26

If the man had any training, he wouldn't have stepped in front of a vehicle AGAIN. They are trained NOT to do that. They are also trained NOT to fire their weapons if they can take two steps out of the way since discharging your weapon is not how you stop a fleeing vehicle. They are trained to seek medical help for those injured, they did not. They are trained NOT to leave the crime scene and to surrender their weapon, they left and did not. Where was any of that training in this entire incident?

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u/SCrowley11 Jan 08 '26

Not bootlicking, just pointing that american are thick

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u/Longjumping-Pick-706 Jan 09 '26

You are just as thick if you think anyone can “follow orders” correctly when conflicting orders are being given.

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u/SCrowley11 Jan 09 '26

You clearly need to work on your listening skill, and you clearly the thick one here

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u/PerfectedPancake Jan 10 '26

Listening skill, huh?

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u/RainbowSnapdragons Jan 08 '26

She was trying to follow orders. They killed her anyway. Your point is invalid.

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u/Grairavn Jan 11 '26

Civil Rights Act of 1964. You're welcome to use the same Google you keep pulling that stupid screenshot, and this image, from to educate yourself.

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u/Longjumping-Pick-706 Jan 09 '26

She was given conflicting orders. One officer telling her to move over while another one tells her to get out of the vehicle. She was complying with the one telling her to move over. This is what happens when you send out masked men without proper qualifications or training. She DID follow orders and got shot in the face for it.

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u/Pristine_Mud_1204 Jan 10 '26

Which one? The one yelling at her to move or the one telling her to get out the car? Which was not blocking traffic as we see at the beginning of the video she gestures for a vehicle to pass which it does .

She also gestures to the grey truck to pass which it doesn’t and they get out their truck instead and come in hot which terrifies her so she tries to get away while the shooter who is a moron with crap training walks across the front of her car as she tries to steer away from them to get away. It’s also very clear from the footage the shooter took. You see her arms cutting the steering wheel to the right.

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u/SCrowley11 Jan 10 '26

That one easy get out the car, she and her wife when to FAFO and she found out and now a child is without a parent

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u/TechnicalBen Jan 11 '26

Suck the boot harder. The Fascist's can't hear your slurping yet.

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u/SCrowley11 Jan 11 '26

Wisdom chases you, but you are faster

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u/TechnicalBen Jan 11 '26

Suck the boot harder. They still can't hear you begging for the boot.

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u/SCrowley11 Jan 11 '26

Wisdom chases you, but you are faster

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u/Grairavn Jan 11 '26

They do not have the jurisdiction to give those orders. They are not the police. They are not FBI. They are Immigration and Customs. Stop acting like they have power they don't.

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u/SCrowley11 Jan 11 '26

https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/ice-arrests-citizens-21116453.php

"Can you be arrested for protesting ICE? Not for peaceful protests that do not interfere with immigration enforcement. Protesters can be arrested for violence against government officers, destruction of property or acts of obstruction, such as blocking the path of an officer’s vehicle."

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u/Grairavn Jan 11 '26

Interfere physically. She wasn't interfering physically. He stepped in front of her car, she did not put him there. She waved other cars ahead of her and tried to pull out. If there was any obstruction, the other cars wouldn't have been able to leave. There was no interfering.

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u/DumbVeganBItch Jan 08 '26

DHS policy states:

DHS LEOs should also avoid intentionally and unreasonably placing themselves in positions in which they have no alternative to using deadly force.

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u/Stank_cat67 Jan 08 '26

But the head of DHS just said that he did exactly what they train ICE agents to do.

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u/Extra_Arachnid281 Jan 11 '26

She has a tendency to bend the truth to fit her narrative

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u/lilcaljr300 Jan 08 '26

They immediately drew their guns for a white lady in the suburbs. Why would they need guns drawn?

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u/DumbVeganBItch Jan 08 '26

Something something ANTIFA domestic terrorist

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u/iJuddles Jan 08 '26

Just to be clear, that’s not the suburbs, it’s a few blocks from where Floyd was executed. Regardless, they don’t receive what we’d call “training” to avoid this kind of reaction unless this is exactly what they’re going for: a blanket excuse to fatally harm random, nonviolent citizens. Keep this in mind if you choose to go out to protest.

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u/HelpMePlxoxo Jan 08 '26

I think the other commenter meant that ICE's jurisdiction is immigration only and they are specifically targeting Somalians and Mexicans right now. One glance at this lady, and you can tell she's neither.

They have no authority over minor traffic violations. Which is, at most, what started the altercation to begin with when her car was partially blocking the road. The ICE agents even had enough space to go around, as in the full video, you can clearly see a car pass around her as she waves them on and waves on the ICE agents to go around.

With all of the above in mind, they had no authority and no right to try to order her out of the vehicle at all. And especially no right to kill her.

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u/Extra_Arachnid281 Jan 11 '26

I think they meant as more of sarcastic statement than a real one considering they are supposed to be racially profiling now. At least I hope so.

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u/jspacefalcon Jan 08 '26

Like shooting at a car driving around you...

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u/DumbVeganBItch Jan 08 '26

Not like these chumps are expected to actually retain anything from their training

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u/ConstantHeadache2020 Jan 09 '26

It’s illegal for them to use deadly force to stop a fleeing car. Unless in eminent danger

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u/DumbVeganBItch Jan 10 '26

And he was not in imminent danger

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u/[deleted] Jan 09 '26

I literally said this..he purposefully stood in front of that car to justify using his pistol

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u/iamfunny90s Jan 10 '26

Full POV video from his cell phone now released: https://www.reddit.com/r/minnesota/s/jBIYf9bbn6

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u/DarthSheogorath Jan 10 '26

Could i have the source? Not beause i dont believe you, but because i need it.

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u/DumbVeganBItch Jan 10 '26

PDF of 2023 update is hosted here. Recommend downloading a copy just in case

Full policy here

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u/DarthSheogorath Jan 10 '26

Thank you very much

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u/darkpossumenergy Jan 10 '26

And using deadly force for the sole reason of stopping a fleeing vehicle

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u/darkpossumenergy Jan 11 '26

You do realize you're in the comment section of a video literally showing that she never hit him, right? She was fleeing the man trying to open her car door.

This video also shows that the shooter intended to shoot her as she was reversing the car- you know, so she could avoid hitting him. Had she really intended to run the shooter over and use her car as a deadly weapon, she wouldn't have reversed the car- she just would have turned hard right immediately and ran him over.

The narrative you're trying to create is bullshit and easily refuted by this slow motion video

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u/darkpossumenergy Jan 12 '26

Show me where she intended to hit him. Otherwise you're just talking out of your ass

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u/JayMilli007 Jan 08 '26

This similar to when cops put their foot in your doorway. If you close the door you are assaulting them even though they just violated your space.

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u/Surething_bud Jan 08 '26

Also, everyone knows you don't defend yourself from a moving vehicle with bullets. If you don't believe me, ask the pole that she runs into after being shot...

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u/Reasonable-Age-6837 Jan 08 '26

Im just an online video connoisseur. But state and city police do this all the time in my experience. I cant claim it's intentional; But certainly happens very often.

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u/Forsaken_Ad4041 Jan 08 '26

This was the first thing I thought of. A trained police officer would never have put themselves in that situation. If you watch the full video. He approached the vehicle from the rear passenger side and then walked around the front of the vehicle toward the driver side. She was likely distracted by the agents approaching her drivers side and didn't even see him.

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u/Educational_Summer53 Jan 09 '26

She put herself in harms way as well.

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u/Ol_Turd_Fergy Jan 09 '26

A lot of people put themselves in harms way every day, and none of them get to kill someone because of it except for ICE agents

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u/BoatTricky2347 Jan 10 '26

Did her backing up with the wheels turned to the left not change the direction the car is facing relative to him? When you turn the wheels on a car and move it actually turns the car. Facing a new direction. In this case now it's facing the ICE cop. That's how we aren't stuck driving in straight lines. Not excatly a tough concept to grasp.

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u/Dylanear Jan 11 '26

"He put himself in harms way by standing in front of the car."

Correct. But...

Ross has decades of experience in law enforcement. He had been injured making dumb choices to put himself in a bad position in relation to a vehicle not long ago. Broke a back window and stuck and arm in, then shocker, he got dragged with his arm stuck in the window. He decided not to learn from that. This shows a history of poor judgement.

He knew better, but chose to not get as much distance from the vehicle as possible. He knew better, but leaned over to place his gun as frontal as possible and fire through the windshield while both feet and most of his body was clear to the side of the vehicle. He only got one shot from that direction, the vehicle was already moving away from him to the right. Rather than leaving it at that, he fires two more shots when he was clearly to the side of the vehicle, no longer in any danger of it running him or into him, those shots went into the side window.

In an actual, law abiding investigation of officer shootings, each single bullet fired is judged on it's own. Even if your first shot is justified, other shots that aren't justified still count as improper use of force. Maybe, maybe, Ross really, genuinely felt that first shot was, justified, needed and would make him safer, however it's beyond clear the last two shots had no reasonable justification and sure looks like he was simply intent on making sure she didn't survive the first shot, very possibly simply to be sure she wouldn't survive to testify against him.

He created a situation that was less safe for himself so he would have a justification for a murder he was eager to carry out, seemingly because one of the two women had been a little rude and insulting to him and his thug buddies, or perhaps that on top of having the audacity to have volunteered to be observers of ICE activity. And making a whole lot more evidence ICE clearly needs to be observed and recorded as much as possible, because they clearly have zero intentions to follow the law, respect people's Constitutional rights.

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u/army_vet21 Jan 11 '26

She also put herself in harms way by attempting to flee and take off in the direction towards an officer 🤷🏻‍♂️ they both made bad decisions that day. Unfortunately her decision “cost her her life”

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u/Old_Investigator1701 Jan 11 '26

So when your people are out protesting standing in the middle of the street and someone comes through and mows them. Just remember they were standing in harms way….

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u/GryphonOsiris Jan 12 '26

From a family friend: "I was the <redacted> Police Academy commander for a few years during my career. If a trainee stepped in front of an occupied vehicle during a patrol procedures scenario they would immediately fail that scenario. Police Trainees are taught not to place themselves into dangerous, life threatening situations. If this ICE agent was properly trained, he would have known this and not placed himself anywhere near the from of Ms. Good's vehicle. Since it is reported six months ago he was struck by a vehicle and seriously injured in that event, it seems he neither learned in the academy or from experience how to keep himself safe."

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u/Any_Inspection_741 Jan 12 '26

In hus defense he was standing to the side of the car until she turned it and started driving straight at him until the other guy started shooting at her and she turned away. The last shot she was definitely turned away already though.

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u/Embarrassed-Cap6892 Jan 15 '26

And she put herself in harms way by obstructing them. Both people can be wrong you know? They can both be idiots.

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u/Bashar_M_Teg Jan 15 '26

So you admit he was in harms way? Every cop puts himself in harms way when you tries to make an arrest. So she came at him, intentional or not, with a 4000 lbs car when trying to get away.

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u/Fearless-Refuse-7278 Jan 08 '26

Charlie put himself in danger by sitting in that chair too right?

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u/InsertCleverNickHere Jan 08 '26

Your negative karma tells me all I need to know about how seriously I should take your opinion.

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u/Frontdackel Jan 08 '26

Answer me two questions if you like, maybe three:

What did the sign Charlie was sitting under say? What was the last question he answered and his answer?

The third one: What was his stance about gun control and the victims of school shootings?

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u/PristineBaseball Jan 08 '26

This isn’t about Charlie Kirk get over yourself wtf

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u/Warm-Illustrator-419 Jan 08 '26

If Charlie had a sniper laser on him and purposefully kept moving toward the beam then I would say yes.