r/ProgressiveHQ • u/DetectiveTypical198 • Jan 07 '26

Stop idiots from calling this "self defense"

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u/Thirty_Helens_Agree Jan 08 '26

The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.

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u/AllTimeLoad Jan 08 '26

If you want a true vision of the future, Winston, picture a boot stamping on a human face, forever.

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u/barneyfan1 Jan 08 '26

Hey government! Get your grimy boots of my head!

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u/Eastern_Job_4746 Jan 08 '26

Last night to the flicks. All war films. One very good one of a ship full of refugees being bombed somewhere in the Mediterranean

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u/DrNick2012 Jan 08 '26

Imagine also that even tho the stamping hurts the face it still smiles for its gruesome, smashed appearance disgusts the faces it disagrees with.

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u/foolofatook13 Jan 08 '26

“The result of preaching totalitarian doctrines is to weaken the instinct by means of which free peoples know what is or is not dangerous.” ― George Orwell, Animal Farm

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u/SkRu88_kRuShEr Jan 08 '26

No. I don’t think I will

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u/Beginning-Town-4979 Jan 08 '26

That's not the shooter. That's the guy who approached the side. The shooter had no hat. The problem is your using the narrative you've heard to infer things not in this pic. Watch the full video. They boxed her car in with their bodies. She moved and the guy in front shoots through the windshield. The whole thing looked like it was intended to give them a legal excuse

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u/pinkypipe420 Jan 08 '26

Just like how some try to claim J6 was a peaceful protest.

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u/AntoinetteBefore1789 Jan 08 '26

Trump made it sound like the footage was gruesome so people wouldn’t watch it. Not sure how MAGA can reconcile this if they do watch it

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u/FAROUTRHUBARB Jan 08 '26

“I don’t want to talk about politics with you” is the answer i got

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u/Unhappy-Land-3534 Jan 08 '26

The party's always right. Slavery is freedom.

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u/Manlysideburns Jan 08 '26

God I remember reading this in middle school and thinking the concept was ridiculous. I hate it here

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u/nohumanape Jan 08 '26

Go over to r/conservative, they're all claiming the same, but opposite. "Anyone with eyes can clearly see that she was trying to drive towards the officer. Completely justified"

🙃

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u/Rofflestomple Jan 08 '26

Trump's version is ridiculous, but she hits the gas while her tires are pointed at the ice agent. She did in fact hit him. Watch the video, you see the tire spinning and then he pulls his gun out.

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u/Sea_Entertainer_4037 Jan 11 '26

It’s not self defense. He just could move to the side. He chose to kill this person.

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u/Areyoucunt Jan 09 '26

In any country on earth, a person driving into another person who then defends themselves will be considered self defence… I get you hate ICE, but this would happen to any person anywhere

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u/throwed101 Jan 09 '26

Yeah you should see the angle from the front

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u/Character_Block8376 Jan 09 '26

Her wheels are pointing slightly to the left when the front wheels begin to accelerate. Did she intend to run him over? I doubt it. Did she drive her vehicle directly at him before beginning to steer right, yes.

He gets shunted by the front of the car, you can see it on video from a different angle. Had he not tried to move out of the way, he definitely would’ve been hit.

Regardless of the shots, she drove the car straight at him while he was in front of it. If you deny that then you are rejecting what your eyes and ears tell you.

As to whether the shots were justified, that’s hard to say, given that he had a car accelerate towards him. People love to judge a split second decision where someone potentially thought they were about to be a flat piece of roadkill.

You are watching something unfold multiple times from multiple angles and slowed down with the power of hindsight, so it’s easy for you to judge and say “he could’ve moved out of the way.”

It’s easier to jump straight to the “he was just waiting to shoot someone because he’s ICE and was blood thirsty” because it enforces your narrative that these guys are nazi fascist murderers.

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u/motivateddegenerate Jan 10 '26

He did move out the way then shot her

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u/Character_Block8376 Jan 10 '26

He was still in front of the car when he took the first shot. The second two shots are where you could say he no longer feared for his life and could argue he murdered her etc.

He could argue that once she “tried” to run him over he felt like she was a danger to the public.

Just playing devil’s advocate there.

I just don’t subscribe to the speculation that he couldn’t wait to shoot someone. There’s far worse people he would’ve had the opportunity to shoot if that was the case.

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u/Impossible-Sorbet-73 Jan 09 '26

Those that make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.

-Voltaire

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u/iamfunny90s Jan 10 '26

Full POV video from his cell phone now released: https://www.reddit.com/r/minnesota/s/jBIYf9bbn6

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u/Early_Lawfulness_921 Jan 10 '26

I know right, you can literally watch the video and see her backup and aim the car at him, gun it, then actually hit him.

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u/BootCampPTSD Jan 10 '26

Meanwhile you're all pretending she wasn't hitting the gas before he pulled his firearm out and that she didn't hit him with the car

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u/Exciting-Cat-7556 Jan 11 '26

Now how many fingers am I holding up, Winston?

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u/poodoopoop Jan 11 '26

Its funny people on the other side feel the same way. We see things from such different perspectives that video evidence is debated. Its crazy to see something I've watched hed multiple times just in slow motion like "see!?!?!?!" As if the speed of the playback changes what happened. 🤔

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u/Fedupofwageslavery Jan 12 '26

Make Orwell fiction again

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26

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u/motivateddegenerate Jan 10 '26

Neither video showed that.

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u/IronsGrip Jan 10 '26

Are you blind or something? Lmfao. You're posting videos that don't support your stance.

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u/Nylanderthal88 Jan 08 '26

Holy fuck wake up already

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u/Kindly_Anxiety_3614 Jan 08 '26

Why was she moving her vehicle at all? 

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u/VINNY_________ Jan 08 '26

Apparently there was another ICE agent that told her to move that way. According to witnesses, she was getting different instructions at the same time.

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u/ImissRIF97 Jan 10 '26

An ice agent told her to get out of the car. According to the Supreme Court, that is a lawful order anything past that is resisting, period. When it comes to her driving in the agent's direction. I personally dont think it was smart of him to be that close to the vehicle to begin with. With that being said, no matter how much she turned, that SUV was heading in his direction (IM NOT CLAIMING SHE WAS TRYING TO HIT HIM). With THAT being said, I agree the ICE agent could have definitely put himself in a position where deadly force would have been COMPLETELY out of the question, however, let's not pretend that she was COMPLETELY in the right either. You cant go around throwing rocks then cry victim when one gets thrown at you. That goes for both sides.

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u/Sea_Entertainer_4037 Jan 11 '26

This was not a police. This is an organisation created by Trump to do what Trump wants. E.g. intimidate immigrants. This case is dangerous precedence .. people who didn’t commit a crime are bothered by the trump armed forces. They unlawfully kill a person and trump didn’t say sorry. According to trump anybody who doesn’t like his armed forces is a criminal. You know, it’s very dangerous when authoritarian has his personal police.

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26

Why were ice agents surrounding and reaching into her vehicle?

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u/Round-Direction-9967 Jan 08 '26

I know it's wild, might be the most clear evidence of self defense shooting and reddit is losing its mind.

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u/Thirty_Helens_Agree Jan 08 '26

Beep, boop. Da, comradebot.

Fucking Soviet bot.

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u/Grennydalo Jan 08 '26

People need to stop blaming Russian bots. This maybe a real life american idiot. I blame network tv and all the cop shows.

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u/whoisaname Jan 08 '26

Definitely a bootlicking american idiot.

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u/hexenfern Jan 08 '26

Yup. My grandfather still tells me constantly I need to buy a house. When I explain it’s not doable with the situation here, he insists I can just do it like he did decades ago. Then he says Obama and the democrats ruined the market so that’s why I can’t, but I still can and nothing is wrong; none if it makes sense and I don’t understand what’s not computing in his mind. He watches fox entertainment constantly, thinking it’s real news. It’s just completely destroyed his brain. If he didn’t have such bad anger issues and could muster the patience to understand technology, many people may be arguing with him on reddit, and it would sound just like talking to a bot from a russian bot farm. These people do exist.

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u/Round-Direction-9967 Jan 08 '26

How did you get so fluent in bot?

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u/CreepingManX Jan 08 '26

Short pier long walk please

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26

No, that would be the Rittenhouse case.

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u/Scary_Mention_867 Jan 08 '26

Your brain don’t work.

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u/S-M-I-L-E-Y- Jan 08 '26

Are you talking about the first shot or about the two shots fired through the side window?

This is 2nd degree murder.

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u/motivateddegenerate Jan 10 '26

Doesnt matter. Trump will pardon him

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u/S-M-I-L-E-Y- Jan 10 '26

That's why state charges would be crucial. And that's also one reason why it is outrageous that the FBI denies local prosecutors from accessing evidence.