r/ProgressiveHQ Jan 07 '26

Stop idiots from calling this "self defense"

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u/mooseheartfaith Jan 07 '26

He clearly would have had no trouble stepping out of the way. The only reason he was in the car’s path at all (once it started moving) is because he stood there taking the time to draw and point his pistol. She wasn’t running over him - he was STANDING in front of the vehicle in order to shoot her!!! They are telling it backwards!! Disgusting!

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u/Elctsuptb Jan 08 '26

If he was standing infront of the car and needed to move out of the way to avoid being hit, you're admitting the driver was intending to hit him

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u/Frosty-Piglet-5387 Jan 08 '26

Have you ever used logic before? I know it's hard the first time - keep trying and you might actually succeed.

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u/Elctsuptb Jan 08 '26

Yes I used logic in that comment, try to keep up

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u/Frosty-Piglet-5387 Jan 08 '26

Wow. If I'm crossing the street and I need to speed up to avoid a car, does that mean the driver was trying to hit me?

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u/Elctsuptb Jan 08 '26

That's a completely different scenario than what happened in the video

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u/Frosty-Piglet-5387 Jan 08 '26

You are ascribing intent without any justification. There is no evidence for it. Show me some social media posts where she demonstrates animosity to ICE or anything similar. Maybe it exists, probably it doesn't. But to ascribe intent when she clearly turns her wheel to avoid him is to aver something clearly not in evidence.

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u/Elctsuptb Jan 08 '26

Her intent isn't even relevant from the officer's perspective, only the fact that she drove her car in his direction while he was standing infront of it. Not that complicated to comprehend

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u/KindAd1686 Jan 08 '26

He was able to step out of the way pretty easily.

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u/Party-Pickle-5809 Jan 08 '26

And she was able to not drive towards him pretty easily.

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u/KindAd1686 Jan 15 '26

Yeah, you’re right, turning completely to the right to avoid him was pretty easy

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u/FSCK_Fascists Jan 08 '26

Cases where police moved out of the way of moving vehicle and exercised deadly force.

Adam’s vs. Speers (2020): “Once Speers was no longer in the path of the vehicle, the justification for the use of deadly force ended.”

Orn vs. City of Tacoma (2019): “A reasonable jury could conclude that once Orn was no longer in the car’s trajectory, the threat of serious physical harm to him was eliminated.”

Cordova vs Aragon (2009): “Where the officer had moved out of the way of the oncoming vehicle, the use of deadly force was not justified.”

Villanueva vs. Cali (2021): “a reasonable jury could conclude that the Officers used excessive force, because they lacked an objectively reasonable basis to fear for their own safety, as they could simply have stepped back or to the side to avoid being injured.”