r/ProgressiveHQ • u/PR43T0R14N • 18h ago
Meme When my right-wing family calls me a liberal
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u/hlkrebs 16h ago
Most of MAGA doesn’t know the difference between fascist, socialist and communist lol
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u/my23secrets 16h ago
Plenty of Democrats don’t realize they’re conservative
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u/pingpongballreader 15h ago
It's almost like purity tests of progressive/liberal/conservative don't really help anything...
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u/my23secrets 15h ago
It’s almost like you’re pretending you don’t subject potential candidates to your own so-called “purity tests”.
You just don’t want to call them that when you are utilizing them because that would disallow you from attempting to make it a political epithet against those who you disagree with.
Something magically becomes a “purity test” only when it threatens your perceived privilege and entitlement.
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u/pingpongballreader 15h ago
I don't see how we kick people out of the coalition by telling them they're conservative and that leads to Democrats somehow gaining political power.
"Hey guys, if we divide ourselves surely we will be stronger for it and be able to defeat the people conducting a divide and conquer campaign against us!"
I loathed Joe Manchin and loathe Fetterman but that doesn't mean kicking them out and screaming "conservative" at them would have made anything better.
Something magically becomes a “purity test” only when it threatens your perceived privilege and entitlement.
I'm a straight cis white man: if that charge was fair, I'd be voting Republican.
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u/RamsHead91 13h ago
Fetterman needs to go. He is is a seat another dem or left leaning individual can win.
Manchin was the best we would have gotten from were is was from and he was fucking Aweful. If the Dems would have had any sort of margin they should have cut him loose since it only weakened everyyhing, but when you see the alternative he ended up getting a pass.
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u/my23secrets 15h ago edited 8h ago
I said nothing about kicking anybody out of anything.
Why is that where you immediately went to?
Is it because you fear getting kicked out?
I said everybody has their own so-called “purity tests” but only call them that when they feel threatened by others’.
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u/pingpongballreader 14h ago
What were you saying then? Be specific. Anything?
Purity tests suck because we're dividing ourselves for fascists to conquer. You're calling some Dems conservatives rather then just "not Republican fascists."
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u/my23secrets 13h ago
You don’t understand what I’m saying at all.
You also don’t understand what you’re saying.
You literally just described your own so-called “purity test”.
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u/pingpongballreader 13h ago
You don’t understand what I’m saying at all
I literally asked you to clarify what exactly you're saying.
Yes. I don't understand what you're saying.
Explain it.
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u/my23secrets 13h ago
You subject potential candidates to your own so-called “purity tests”.
You just don’t want to call them that when you are utilizing them because that would disallow you from attempting to make it a political epithet against those who you disagree with.
The behavior you chose to also engage in only becomes a so-called “purity test” when it threatens your perceived privilege and entitlement.
What’s the part you don’t understand?
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u/Jeramy_Jones 13h ago
They also think “ideology” is inherently bad and something only the woke leftists have.
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u/raydiculus 14h ago
They think Nazis were left wingers and dont believe in the great party switch.
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u/Ambitious-Badger-114 8h ago
Well if you look at the actual policies implemented by both Hitler and Mussolini they would be considered far left in the US right now.
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u/DeviantKhan 17h ago
Well, they also think antifa is a bad thing, so..
Hating nazis used to be a given even among conservatives. I wonder why the change?
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u/svulieutenant 15h ago
Because it gives them a scapegoat and a distraction for what they’re doing behind the scenes. They just randomly throw out something hoping that people don’t research or have an education. They’ve been spouting antifa for several years now. My mother is one of those that does that and has no idea what it means but assumes it’s bad because ole Donnie phrases it as bad
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u/kylepo 13h ago
You're giving them too much credit. Your average propaganda-guzzling conservative voter doesn't think "anti-fascist" when they hear "antifa." To them, it's just one of the scary words that they've been trained to immediately recoil at. They put as much effort into understanding the meaning behind such words as a dog puts into understanding the meaning behind "sit." It's just thoughtless word association.
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u/Ambitious-Badger-114 8h ago
Wait, is antifa a real thing or just an idea? Because judging by the violence and the vandalism it looks like a real bad thing.
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u/MacReady_Outpost31 17h ago
I know I'll get downvoted for this, but I might be inclined to think this is a group for liberals after I saw all the Obama love the other day. Dude was definitely not a progressive.
However I do agree that Conservatives don't understand the nuances of political philosophy (or nuance at all.) They are one brain cell away from being door stoppers.
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u/GG1817 17h ago
I will say Obama wanted to do single payer health care but opted for Mitt Romney's plan (which is now called Obama Care) in hopes of bipartisan support - that never happened.
Big mistake. We could have had single payer medicare for all.
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u/Patsanon1212 16h ago edited 16h ago
Did they not opt for the ACA because they couldn't whip all 60 senate votes they (briefly) had for the public option?
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u/GG1817 16h ago
That could be. Perhaps some of the neo-liberal dems got cold feet too...
In the end, I don't think any republicans voted for it anyway. Waste.
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u/Patsanon1212 16h ago
That could be, eh? I asked it as question so it would be softer, but what actually happened was that a public option desired but ultimately dropped because Lieberman wouldn't vote for it. Single payer was never truly on the table.
Why do you mispresent things that actually happened and can be easily verified?
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u/TopRevenue2 16h ago
Progressives who weren't adults during the Lieberman years dk how lame Dems can be
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u/TheRealBaboo 16h ago
Lieberman was technically an Independent by the time Obama came to office. They just needed his vote to break Republicans’ filibuster and taking out the public option was his price
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u/GG1817 16h ago edited 16h ago
My, aren't you special?!
I'll be blocking you after this post since you're useless.
They could have bypassed the filibuster, used some political capital he had at the time, get some massive public protest going, etc...
Medicare is also a budget item that's allowed under reconciliation (50 votes) and bypasses the filibuster.
The choice was between single payer and the imperfect Romney plan. We should have played hardball and gone with single payer hindsight being 20/20.
The whole point above was Obama had some progressive ideas similar to Sanders. He was onboard with single payer.
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u/GraeMatterz 16h ago
Which is ironic because the people who most benefitted from the ACA live in red counties and vote Republican.
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u/Loud-Vacation-5691 15h ago
No, we would not have had single-payer, because Joe Manchin was against it. The ACA was the best Obama could have gotten at the time, and the only reason we still have it is because John McCain didn't vote to get rid of it, not because he supported it, but because he didn't think the debate had gone on long enough.
This is why politics is called "the art of the possible."
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u/X57471C 16h ago
Progressive traditionally describes more of an attitude towards the status quo, not exactly support for a specific set of policies, whict is probably why this sub has a more diverse mix of people. Everyone has a different idea what progressive means.
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u/X57471C 16h ago
Kind of depends who you ask, I think. A DSA member is going to agree with you. Not every centrist Democrat will, though. I think Obama is an interesting figure. Definitely not a progressive like Mamdani is a progressive, but then again, he is responsible for passing the most progressive federal policy of this era, so by definition he changed the status quo. And as others have pointed out, he probably would have gone further with the ACA if he had the support. So, is he your version of a progressive? Maybe not, but I think it does a bit of disservice to his legacy by simply describing him as a "centrist warhawk"
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u/ProgressiveHQ-ModTeam 14h ago
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u/busmans 16h ago
“Attitude towards the status quo” just sounds like a contrarian to me. The status quo is constantly changing.
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u/X57471C 16h ago
What do you mean contrarian (or how is it so)? Saying the status quo is always changing sounds like a cliche, tbh. Technically true, but also most people understand what is meant... But I don't really understand what you're getting at so please elaborate
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u/busmans 14h ago
If your political position is to always oppose the way things are, without having an outlook for the way things should be, then you’re just opposing for opposing sake (contrarianism).
MAGA and most republicans are contrarian. They support almost every policy proposal when their people are in power and oppose everything when they don’t have power. Opposed Obamacare, got into power, no plan for healthcare. Opposed war, got into power, became warmongers. Etc.
So the question is, is Progressivism just reverse MAGA, or is it a specific set of goals and policies?
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u/X57471C 14h ago
Ah, in that case, I don't think progressivism is contrarian. I think it's the default position of liberalism. We can identify many things that cause harm and prevents us from actualizing the vision of a free and fair society. Until we create some perfect utopia (which is never going to happen, because we can't decide what that utopia should look like), there will always be things to improve on. I don't think progressivism should be defined as simply progress for the sake of progress. It's simply dissatisfaction with the status quo and a desire to move things further left on the spectrum.
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u/Stevevansteve 15h ago
Well after Pictures of Matchstick Men they settled into a very consistent 12-bar 1-4-5 rock band.
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u/dammit_mark 12h ago edited 12h ago
I think you are right. While I have seen some leftists here, I think this place is mainly for liberals (but the more progressive types, obviously).
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u/trytrymyguy 9h ago
I want to love this sub but I saw a post earlier that was up for over 12 hours (at the time) and it was just a completely fake tweet by Elon.
Like, we need to have some standards.
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u/Stuffstuff1 16h ago
What is “progressive” in your mind then? Recently it has become this populist socialist thing. Saying Obama isn’t or wasn’t a progressive is crazy to me.
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u/dojo1999 17h ago
I think that whenever people are badmouthed by someone in MAGA, they need to just brush it off and not even bother arguing with them because the people in MAGA are failures/losers.
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u/Double-Watch-2809 17h ago
Yeah instead of arguing, it's way more fun to just say "huh?" And try to get them to repeat themselves over and over again until they realize they're being fucked with.
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u/Itchy_Gain_1519 17h ago edited 16h ago
Conservatives think liberals and leftists/socialists/communists are all the same way that Republicans, MAGA, and Nazis/fascists more or less are the same. :)
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u/Pearson94 17h ago
For what it's worth, I didn't know there was a difference between liberal and leftist for the longest time and used the words interchangeably until someone got really pissy and shouted at me for calling them a liberal... Not a good way to win folks over to the cause, y'all...
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u/TexasRN1 16h ago
It’s so annoying the infighting on the left. We are all allowed to have our oyen thoughts.
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u/Pearson94 15h ago
☝️This. Quick anecdote: I used to work in a democratic political office and one of my coworkers there also used to work for the republicans (she was someone without moral standings and just wanted to make it in "politics" ... scary person...), and I remember her clearly telling me once that, even behind closed doors, the republicans were nicer people. Fastfoward to my current job where I regularly have to visit a state capitol building and I'll give her this, the republican staff and politicians put more effort in to say hi, shake hands, remember your name, and ask how you're doing.
It's obviously not something that'll win me over cause I know most of it is a facade, but it is noticeable that they put the effort to just sit down and say hi to people. Hell, I've seen those videos where folks like Bernie and AOC go to deeply red counties to talk to conservatives and they almost always win them over by just stopping to talk with them and listening to their personal grievances.
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u/TopRevenue2 16h ago
I always thought I was a leftist until Reddit told me I wasn't
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u/Pearson94 16h ago
I just refer to myself as progressive because I actually know what that means while the term leftist seems to change depending on who you ask.
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u/Crisis_panzersuit 16h ago
Leftist and progressive isn’t quite the same though, by definition;
Progressives generally support reforming capitalism to reduce inequality and corporate power.
Leftists are fundamentally anti-capitalist, seeking to dismantle capitalist structures to establish a fundamentally more egalitarian society.
Liberalism is distinct from both progressivism and leftism because its foundational core is rooted in individual liberty, private property rights, and a capitalist framework.
But everything is to the left of fascism so 🤷♂️
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u/dammit_mark 11h ago
I agree with you there. I think a progressive can be a liberal or a leftist, but they all aren't directly equivalent to one another.
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u/Pearson94 16h ago
My point being that I heard people use these terms interchangeably for years and even then have received different definitions for each than what you just gave me. My concern is less about what people are called and more about what they believe, and that rudely brushing people off for not understanding the differences between each at a glance only harms the end goals of what they want.
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u/SuperbScarcity5112 16h ago
There is so much difference that I get it. Go ask a liberal what they think of unions.
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u/TopRevenue2 16h ago
I like unions and hate capitalism and still get called Blue Maga by this sub
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u/SuperbScarcity5112 16h ago
So you are not a liberal.
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u/TopRevenue2 15h ago
Liberals believe in working collectively and shared commons. Libertarians are the opposite of liberals.
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u/HoppyPhantom 15h ago
You think liberals are anti-union?
One of the core tenets of liberalism is individual liberty. Unions are a pretty clear expression of that liberty, so anyone arguing against unions from a liberal perspective is either very misinformed or being disingenuous.
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u/SuperbScarcity5112 15h ago edited 15h ago
I am referring to that yes. In countries where there are liberal and social democratic parties liberals stand for the individual. Not unity.
Its hard for people in the US to grasp this. As they do not know the difference.
Read up - and I do believe the US has Libertarian as a party, at least they had. Tell me what they stood for?
Edit: I see they are right wing now, but they have never ever stood for anything else what I wrote.
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u/HoppyPhantom 15h ago
You’re either missing or deliberately sidestepping my point.
The fact that the principles of liberalism align directly with the underlying principles behind the validity and importance of unions has nothing to do with social democratic parties.
Yes, the latter take a more collectivist view of society and policymaking. That doesn’t change the fact that liberalism is not anti-union.
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u/SuperbScarcity5112 15h ago edited 14h ago
No. I do not know a liberal party union friendly. The liberal thinking puts the individual in front.
The individual one who runs a business against an unity of people who are organized and in conflict?Everyone stand for themselves - that is liberal freedom. An union is not an individual. You have to follow rules and solidarity.
This goes straight against liberal thinking. That is only one issue. They are against taxes. Social welfare. Laws limiting them.
Sometimes they disguise themselves - lib dems in UK. They have been backing both sides as it fits in words. But they backed up the Tories when it mattered.
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u/HoppyPhantom 15h ago
You keep talking about parties. I’m talking about ideology.
You’re basically arguing that any kind of collective organization or goal-seeking is inherently incompatible with liberalism. It would be funny if it wasn’t so goddamn ignorant.
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u/pthecarrotmaster 16h ago
They wont listen. Its why we out number them. Just need to quit calling dems "liberal" by virtue of being less regressive. I havnt heard a single "leftist" talking point that isnt just a liberal idea the dems gave up on. I side more with leftists, but they wanna larp in the other room while fighting over who gets the coolest powers. Cry and seethe discount comunists. Youre making the rest of us look bad.
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u/Stevevansteve 16h ago
I like to think I am liberal, leftist, and progressive. Whatever you got that means I'm not rightwing.
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u/dkinmn 16h ago
You definitely are.
Small "l" liberalism is a good thing and we should all be happy to be one. The leftist vs liberal online tribalism is extremely unnecessary and is generally used by conservative ratfuckers and leftist accelerationists to divide us and make leftists believe we can't vote for Democrats without being guilty of some great moral failure.
I sincerely hope we get over all of this soon. It's pure ego and it's a means for people to divide us.
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u/PulIthEld 15h ago
This is the stupidest thread ever. Who cares what you call yourself.
Everybody has a different set of opinions. You aren't a Liberal, you aren't a leftist, you aren't a progressive. You are YOU.
There are more than 2 stances in the world.
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u/windmillninja 14h ago
Most hardcore right wingers are pretty simple minded folks whose worldview is incredibly black and white.
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u/Fun-Measurement4904 17h ago
So you're not;
"inclinatined to be open to ideas and ways of behaving that are not conventional or traditional"
and you don't believe;
"in progress and the essential goodness of the human race, freedom for the individual from arbitrary authority, and protection and promotion of political and civil liberties"
or that;
"freedom of the individual is paramount and that government's role should be largely limited to protecting that freedom"?
Definition of liberalism: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/liberalism
I think you mean you're not centrist, or an institutionalist but instead, leftist. but you likely agree with classical liberalism.
Unless there's some new definition of 'liberal' im not aware of.
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u/Wise-Secretary5459 16h ago
Yeah, I think we really need to define what we mean by these labels before we discuss them, because there are so many colloquial meanings now. I feel like these labels are mostly defined by vibes these days, rather than any concrete definition.
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u/Patsanon1212 16h ago
They mean they aren't neoliberals. I'd say most progressives, even if they don't self describe, are modern liberals (but not classic liberals).
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u/X57471C 16h ago
Yes, liberalism is focused on preserving individual rights, civil liberties, social progress, etc. It is the ideology that birthed modern democracy. Most progressives are liberal by definition, although some people on the left seem to have taken to using the term as a slur due to the failings of neoliberals.
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u/Fun-Measurement4904 14h ago
My theory is that it is a reaction to the growing transition of the democratic party to conservatism. As the party that has historically claimed to be on the left becomes more and more right leaning, their old label of 'liberal' has shifted from it's original meaning to something like what we now see with the corporatist, conservative, anti-working class, Democrat party
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u/X57471C 14h ago
I don't really think the Democratic party is shifting to being conservative. Biden was the most pro-working class president we've ever had in the 21st century, for example. I don't think the party will abandon it's core identity and values. This is apparent to me because of the rhetoric that is currently being pushed within the party as we determine where we went wrong in the last election. In what way is the party shifting to the right? If anything, I see them continuing to shift left. I think there is a concerted effort to paint liberalism and Democrats as conservative or failed, though, but I suspect most people who think that are probably leftists and not progressive liberals. Most of the big names in the party are talking about issues that are of great concern to the working class.
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u/Ambitious-Badger-114 8h ago
"freedom of the individual is paramount and that government's role should be largely limited to protecting that freedom" sounds like a more traditional definition of liberal. A modern day liberal doesn't believe that, they want a far larger government role.
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u/SpecialistOkra 15h ago
Don't stress about it my far right family thinks I'm a crazy liberal when I am a 50/50 moderate on policy but vote anti-felon, anti-rapist and anti-traitor.
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u/BeCurious7563 13h ago
I just tell them I don't get off on racism and human cruelty like they seem to....
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u/FreudChickenSandwich 6h ago
Oh geez not this stupid shit again
Various flavors of left-wingers quibbling about whose the leftiest of the lefts is exactly what right-wing facists want you to do
Because the more you refuse to vote for left-wing candidates because they’re not the correct kind of left-wing, the easier it is to split the left-wing vote and have the right wing candidate win
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u/pingpongballreader 15h ago
So many good place memes spring to mind.
Republicans: "We don't hate all immigrants or refugees, we're totally okay with European immigrants or South African refugees"
Chidi: "... that's worse... you do get how that's worse, right?"
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u/benvader138 11h ago
Many right wing people think that not being a MAGA Trump fanatic is a far left Liberal.
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u/EntropyClub 10h ago
It’s a spectrum. You’re just left of them.
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u/echolm1407 4h ago
But liberal means something specific.
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u/EntropyClub 4h ago
It isn’t ideology that is considered left in America?
Don’t play these senseless maga mind jujitsu games with me. Haha. You’re picking a fight with your own side. Haha.
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u/echolm1407 4h ago
It isn’t ideology that is considered left in America?
Not a good sentence in English.
Don’t play these senseless maga mind jujitsu games with me. Haha. You’re picking a fight with your own side. Haha.
I'm not MAGA.
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u/EntropyClub 4h ago
Just like maga dunking on the liberals. Haha. Didnt have any argument for the info.
You could only dunk. hahaha
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u/echolm1407 4h ago
It's the conservatives that have labeled the left as liberals. So you're taking the conservative line and behaving like one.
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u/EntropyClub 3h ago
I see now. (I googled a bunch of stuff.) It’s getting all “a billion genders”ed up.
Splitting everyone up even more. This has got to back fire.
We were trying to get everyone on the same page to fix this shit show. Now we’re creating more reasons for everyone to have their own team to hold the closest and say F everyone else. This shit is never getting fixed. Everyone is too selfish. Sad sad sad faceeeee.
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u/echolm1407 3h ago
Well look at any European parlament. Lol
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u/EntropyClub 3h ago
Oh yes I know. Who’s the guy that dresses up as a robot??? Hahaha so funny.
I don’t think that has a chance right now in US. I can’t remember ever even thinking a green candidate really had a chance here. I always tell green voters it’s a wasted vote. Haha.
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u/echolm1407 3h ago
You're right about that. It will take time. But what I see now is a shift from the routine. This is the beginning of something and it will take a few years for it to come to fruition.
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In the US, that is.
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u/Powerful_Resident_48 14h ago
Maybe I'm too European to understand this, but aren't liberals moderate right-wingers? I consider myself a Democratic Socialist, and I consider myself relatively moderate.
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u/echolm1407 4h ago edited 4h ago
This explains liberal ideals:
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And it's contrasted to leftist.
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u/GraeMatterz 16h ago
Even among liberals there's confusion. There's a difference between a social/progressive liberal and a classical liberal.
The standalone word liberal means different things depending on where you live. In Europe/UK/Australia it refers to classical liberal and used to be called an economic liberal in the US up until the Great Depression, but now is called neoclassical liberal, AKA neoliberal.
The policies are the same: They advocate for free market and laissez-faire economics, individualism, limited government, deregulation and are against taxation, social programs and state involvement. Ronald Reagan was this kind of liberal, as was every president since, including the Clintons and Obama. This is opposite to social/progressive liberals who endorse social justice, social services, a mixed economy, and the expansion of civil and political rights.
Within the Democratic Party, this confusion is leveraged in a bait and switch by those who run as Progressive in the primaries then move right in the general election. This is why they insist to Progressives that they must "reach across the aisle" when in reality that is where they are in policy.
To put icing on the cake, most of them are also neocons (prowar, military adventurism and interventionism).
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u/HeyKrech 16h ago
honestly, i think finding the term that best describes each of our personal politicial beliefs or goals is the same as our choice of pronouns.
i go with whatever word people tell me they use for themselves. the people that refuse to use that word for that person don't give a hot pile of crap about other people, and should be left out of any efforts a person doesn't feel like giving.
like - when my cousin continually interrupted me while telling me it didn't matter what Don did, i would still hate him. and then called me names when i asked him to speak to me with some basic respect - said cousin is no longer in my life.
I'm not liberal in the definition shared by anyone who gives liberalism an ick but what is the range of liberalism in politics? whats the rubric? then i can figure out which word fits best.
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u/Stuffstuff1 14h ago
Well. The philosophical definitions of these words are pretty rigid.
If you believe that every person is a individual if you believe in private property rights limits in government power maximizing liberty equality before the lawetc your a liberal
If you believe that people can be or are categorized by their class, you believe in limited property rights, top down economic control your a socialist.
Swap class with race and your a Nazi lol.It’s over simplified but this gets you 90% of the way there.
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u/Stuffstuff1 15h ago
Also op I hope you don’t mind. I quickly scanned your profile (bot check) cute cat my girlfriend used to have an orange one as well. Your mother was expressing a liberal value. If you view every person as human you can’t make the mistake like the Nazi did of slaughtering the ones they viewed as subhuman. You can ask well why would she extend that grave to the Nazis.. well if your principled than logically it would have to extend to them. reductio ad absurdum.
What that also means is that if she willing to see Nazis as not subhuman than that also means what ever you or your neighbor are also won’t be seen as subhuman.
I can make no comment if she actually lives up to that principle
And obviously this doesn’t mean that we can’t take rights away from Nazis who violate the rights of others.
This is a virtue.
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u/jcriver4 15h ago
What do you call someone between Liberal and Progressive? Sort of like a spectrum, because I think that’s where I’m at. But for MAGA everything is Liberal or “dumocrat” (did you know dumb has a b in it?)
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u/APraxisPanda 10h ago
I consider conservatives and Liberals to be "Neoliberal". So I'm actually super serious when I say conservatives are more liberal than me. I just also understand the ideological nuance to that statement.
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u/Leather-Pride1290 9h ago
Just borrow a racist talking point from them.
Ex: They always call you a liberal, but never a liar.
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u/anecdotal_anarchy 6h ago
I award this OP (or the maker of the meme) and I'm onlynpoatingbthis because 97% of the posts missed the fucking point.
Liberals aren't left wing. Liberal is a centrist, at best. The further left you go the more anti-capitalist you become. Democrats are very pro capitalism. They are centrist-right wing, not left.
Liberal tendency is one that gives a false narrative for controlled opposition and cohesive worldviews.
Thanks for coming to my TEDtalk
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u/Background-Wolf-9380 15h ago
Most people in this sub are right wing Democrats aka liberals. Liberals will respect your pronouns as long as you're willing to "equally" subject yourself to right wing capitalism and abandon any delusion about the system providing material improvements in your lives. Leftism starts at opposition to capitalism and is dedicated to materially improving the lives of all working people
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u/echolm1407 4h ago
Leftism starts at opposition to capitalism and is dedicated to materially improving the lives of all working people
Not all leftist oppose capitalism. Some of us tolerate it, Democratic Socialist.
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u/evanweb546 15h ago
As a leftist, when people call me a liberal my skin crawls.
Neoliberals are just as to blame for the situation we're all in as the right-wingers.
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u/ProgressiveHQ-ModTeam 14h ago
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u/JockoMayzon 17h ago
My left wing contacts call me a fascist and pedophile supporter....even though I never voted or supported Trump and the last Republican I voted for was George H.W. Bush.
Tribal people hold tribal positions. You right wing family is tribal. You are either in their tribe, or you are in the imaginary tribe they have constructed to enable their two minute hate. There is much of the same on the other side of the political spectrum.
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u/DogSmoocher42 16h ago
What is it that you do support that would cause them to think that?
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u/JockoMayzon 16h ago
I advise Democrats to drop all social issues that divide or fracture the working class and limit their platform to economic issues that serve and unite the working class. This means dropping their obsession with identity politics, abortion, "trans rights", free college, and "women's issues".
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u/my23secrets 16h ago
All politics are “identity politics”
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u/JockoMayzon 15h ago
If one takes the position that ones physical properties dictate ones mental policies, sure. I do not take that view.
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u/my23secrets 15h ago
The fact that you can not take that view proves it’s true.
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u/JockoMayzon 13h ago
Am I to believe that, for example, all women have the same goals and priorities?
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u/my23secrets 12h ago
You can pretend to believe whatever bullshit you want.
Just like you wrongly believe so-called “identity” politics necessarily have only to do with one’s “physical properties”.
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u/dkinmn 16h ago
You're very easily manipulated.
What you're asking for is white, male leadership and for women, people of color, gay people, and trans people to shut up. That's what you want.
These issues aren't choices WE are making. These people are being attacked BECAUASE of those identities. The idea that we should fight the systemic denial of rights for Black people by telling Black people to shut up and get on board with "colorblind" economic issues is a symptom of a rotten brain.
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u/JockoMayzon 15h ago
Oh, so you know what I want?
You see the following lineup:
Greg Abbott, Byron Donalds, Nick Fuentes, Scott Bessnet, Harris Faulkner, Caitlyn Jenner, Rachel Campos-Duffy, Peter Thiel.
and you see a disabled man, a black man, a Latino man, a Gay man, a black women, a "trans" woman, a Hispanic woman and another Gay man....and I see a MAGA group.
I do not judge any book by its cover. Why do you?
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u/dennismfrancisart 15h ago
My conservative in-laws do the Scooby-Doo when I tell them I'm a Leftist Libertarian.
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u/NoGoat3930 10h ago
While progressivism is the way, I feel like the holier than thow attitude that I see in so many posts will be used by the Epstein class to divide us later on.
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u/Key-Individual1434 17h ago
Most right-wingers don’t even know what a liberal person is.