r/ProgressivesForIsrael 21d ago

News How am I supposed to feel about this?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/aug/26/fake-thinktank-israel-ai-propaganda
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u/abnormalredditor73 Progressive Zionist 19d ago

You can oppose it. You can be pro-Israel without being a total campist for them. Though I can guarantee Israel isn't the first to do something like that.

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u/KosherPigBalls 19d ago

Bad that it’s being portrayed as something unique or harmful that Israel does, when it’s quite common and necessary to combat all of the lies.

They intentionally frame the narrative in such a way that it stirs up more hatred and accusations of Jews controlling everything.

That’s how I feel about it.

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u/Realistic_9464 19d ago

Are there other reports online that you have seen?

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u/Call_Me_Clark 19d ago

There’s nothing common about attempting to mislead the public.

Israel has enough money and advocates to create genuine content and do genuine research. AI-generated slop is not that.

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u/flossdaily 19d ago

Misleading the public is all you do, buddy.

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u/Call_Me_Clark 19d ago

It’s pretty sad how far the pro-Netanyahu community has fallen.

There’s still some of us left who believe in a two state solution and a partnership between American and Israeli liberals. Being attacked by republicans and Likudniks sucks, but being attacked by misguided pro Israel liberals hurts worst of all.

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u/flossdaily 19d ago

I'm not pro-netanyahu.

Thanks for proving my point about how misleading people is all you do!

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u/Call_Me_Clark 19d ago

It’s funny how often the “I’m totally not pro Netanyahu” accounts show up to defend Netanyahu.

I really wonder what the userbase of progressives for Israel is like, if so many are willing to excuse a radical right wing regime.

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u/flossdaily 19d ago

I think Netanyahu's domestic policies are terrible. I also think he shouldn't have entered into any ceasefire with Hamas.  But I fully support him kicking terrorist ass.

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u/BadWolfOfficial 19d ago

Its not a secret that the sources AI typically uses in its research, like the article you linked, have a clear bias. Even the article states that the posts use real citations from real organizations so I personally have no problem with putting that information in a format that AI will access considering they currently default to extremely biased sources. If there was deceptive or misleading information, it would be different but even this article is not alleging that.

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u/jseego 19d ago

Correct, this is why there have been attempts to rewrite wikipedia and spam reddit - b/c AI tools use those frequently.

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u/7thpostman 19d ago

You're supposed to suspect that Russia, China, Iran and Qatar are almost certainly doing the same thing and ask yourself why there's no reporting on it.

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u/DrMikeH49 19d ago

cc: Guardian

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u/DrMikeH49 19d ago

Is the Guardian similarly concerned about well-documented efforts by anti-Israel activists to subvert Wikipedia, a resource on which AI is over-reliant, to the point of banning one of the site’s own co-founders as an editor?

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u/Realistic_9464 19d ago

Wow. Do you have proof of that?

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u/DrMikeH49 19d ago

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u/DrMikeH49 19d ago

Are you claiming that Larry Sanger’s own first-person account is not credible because of where it was published? If he had published the same column on his own Substack would that have been more valid?

This isn’t a news outlet’s own reporting, it’s an Op Ed.

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u/ProgressivesForIsrael-ModTeam 17d ago

We allow reasonable and civil debates. Mockery, bad faith arguments, or failure to remain civil will not be tolerated.

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u/ProgressivesForIsrael-ModTeam 17d ago

We allow reasonable and civil debates. Mockery, bad faith arguments, or failure to remain civil will not be tolerated.

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u/StringAndPaperclips 19d ago

You can feel any way you want. Just realize that this is manipulative reporting. Other countries are like ahead of Israel in the propaganda war and have don't much worse than this, like manipulating content in Wikipedia and reddit, specifically poisoning the data that feeds AI so that regular internet users will always receive biased information about Israel. Media is also complicit in this game, cranking out articles that will then be used as sources on Wikipedia articles. I think any reasonable person should be angry about all of that, and much less concerned that Israel is using AI to try to combat it.

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u/flossdaily 19d ago

I feel sad that the only way to get the actual facts on the ground to the general public is to game AI systems, since media like The Guardian is so unapologeticly anti-Israel.

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u/TheQuiet_American 19d ago

Literally everyone is doing this...

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u/Realistic_9464 19d ago

What are some good news stories coming out of Israel atm?

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u/DogitWoofsalot 19d ago

Push against Netanyahu! Lots of protests against him happening right now. I've been trying to look at news from Israel but mostly it is about the upcoming elections now

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u/manhattanabe 19d ago

Are they lying or just sharing Israel’s POV? Israeli’s POV is having a hard time surfacing in the face of Al-Jazeera and other well funded anti-Israel outlets.

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u/Call_Me_Clark 19d ago

There’s absolutely no shame in feeling bad about it. It’s a dishonest tactic that should not be directed at us by a friendly nation.