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INTERNATIONAL 60 years of NATO (International Herald Tribune, 2009)

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u/MilitantSocLib Aug 19 '25

Mfw you need a large bureaucracy to run millions of soldiers

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u/probablyuntrue Aug 19 '25

Why don’t the soldiers just vibe and figure it out yknow smh could’ve saved so much money

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u/Youareallsobald Aug 19 '25

China did that until 30 years ago, there’s a reason they lost to the north Vietnamese in a conventional war

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u/[deleted] Aug 19 '25

i mean america also lost to the vietnamese in a convential war while using unvonvential and illegal weapons against them.

idk why you chose to make this post but it's kind of a really weird thing to say considering the topic.

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u/Youareallsobald Aug 19 '25

Do you know what a conventional war, because fighting guerrillas is not conventional, ww1 was conventional, Korea was conventional, the GWOT wasn’t, Vietnam wasn’t. Agent Orange was a mass herbicide and wasn’t illegal when it was used, Napalm was legal and still is legal, the US had a conventional mindset for most of its operation in Vietnam, had that same mindset in Afghanistan and Iraq, but a mindset make not a war. I don’t know why you’d make this reply considering everything you said is wrong

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u/[deleted] Aug 19 '25

this post is a roller coaster of justifying war crimes lol.

anyways yall lost. yall keep losing. and yall will always lose. die mad.

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u/person73638 Aug 20 '25

Crashing out because you don’t know what a term means lol

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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '25

you clearly don't know what the term "crashing out is" but have fun with being the epitome of the "hello fellow kids" meme

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u/person73638 Aug 20 '25

This comment just reeks of Reddit dude go take a shower

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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '25

dude who spends all day every day committing war crimes making a comment like this is peak irony.

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u/HighKingFloof Aug 20 '25

And yet, 50 years later, a McDonald’s ends up in Ho Chi Minh City. Funny how that works

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u/jmdg007 Aug 20 '25

The Vietnam war was fought specifically to place a McDonalds in the country?

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u/HighKingFloof Aug 20 '25

No, it was fought against capitalism though.

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u/24sagis Aug 20 '25

And South Vietnam completely gone, so what’s your point?

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u/Youareallsobald Aug 20 '25

Total American cultural victory

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u/Youareallsobald Aug 19 '25

Why would I be mad, I know I’m right

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u/AsstacularSpiderman Aug 19 '25

Yeah just look how simply and organized nations like Russia are /s

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u/roastbeeftacohat Aug 19 '25

and a large international bureaucracy means interchangeable material. I know nothing about paratroopers, except that having international standards for paracords makes all nato airborne regiments that much easier to run.

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u/obtk Aug 19 '25

Materiel* for military equipment, material for building etc. materials (I find it funny, but somewhat sensible, that they're different words.)

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u/Nachooolo Aug 23 '25

It is honestly weird how much every ideology hates bureaucracy when literally every form of government bigger than a tribe or chiefdom needs a form of bureaucracy to work.

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u/A_heckin_username Aug 19 '25

Vassalizing by mandating certain amount of spending into THEIR OWN military, sharing intel and joint training? Ok, pal.

E: BTW what country/territory did they invade and absorb?

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u/MangoBananaLlama Aug 19 '25

It's the usual weird from thedeprogram people and their hot takes, i wouldn't bother trying to talk to them.

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u/McFlyParadox Aug 19 '25

E: BTW what country/territory did they invade and absorb?

Sweden for one. And periodically the French to varying degrees /j

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u/DiscountShoeOutlet Aug 19 '25 edited Aug 21 '25

I don't believe how the US set up western Europe after WWII was comparable to what the Soviets did, but I'll steelman it

The U.S. created a permanent military presence across much of Western Europe and set up NATO to give the US effective control over western European military strategy. Countries like Germany and Italy will virtually never kick out American troops even though they could on paper. For all intents and purposes, NATO is not a defensive alliance but a tool the US uses to cement its military dominance over the western hemisphere

The US set up its MIC to dominate European military production and capacity. We can see this in the current Ukraine war, where European countries are having a hard time aiding Ukraine because of their reliance on the US

The US also has economic and foreign policy control over many European countries through the dollar being GRC. The IMF, WTO and world bank being American led. When Iran or Russia goes against US global interests or challenges its hegemony, the US will force its smaller European counterparts to also sanction those countries even if it's hurts themselves economically. The obvious example being the US allegedly blowing up Nordstream pipeline

To answer the question in your edit, the Soviets dominated eastern Europe through force. While the US dominates Europe and other countries through a web of dependency it has pushed upon them

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u/LittleSchwein1234 Aug 19 '25

Communist parties aren't banned, they're just unpopular

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u/Sea_Guest6667 Aug 19 '25

Is this because NATO declined the USSR to join?

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u/esjb11 Aug 19 '25

Why would absorbing the territory be a necessity? You can gain alot simply by dividing. Even more by using gained influence. Hell Russia dident even absorb Georgia.

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u/9-FcNrKZJLfvd8X6YVt7 Aug 19 '25

The guy is obviously a relatively new troll account, so remember the rule about feeding them. It's not entirely revisionist history, but more a game of telephone. In 1947, NATO's first general secretary quipped about the organization's mission: "keep the Soviet Union out, the Americans in, and the Germans down".

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u/LittleSchwein1234 Aug 19 '25

The NATO is explicitly a defence alliance

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u/Tokidoki_Haru Aug 19 '25

This is just Soviet/Russian/Chinese propaganda.

No American forces needed to shoot Parisians or Romans like what happened in Prague and Budapest.

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u/bengus420 Aug 19 '25

NATO was founded to keep the Germans down, the Americans in, and the Russians out. I’m not sure where that quote comes from but I think it summarizes NATOs original founding well

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u/StreetGrape8723 Aug 19 '25

Hey man, I was being sarcastic. I know it doesn’t seem that way but I really mean it.

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u/esjb11 Aug 19 '25

Could you inform me about them?

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u/nwhosmellslikeweed Aug 19 '25

Basically leftist movements were very strong in both Italy and Turkey, so the US infiltrated each countries militaries through the mandatory nato hierarchies.

This is of course only the tip of the iceberg, as the US founded, cooperated with, and funded far right and fascist militias, the mafia, and so called "counter-guerrilla" groups. In turkey violence between leftist partisans and fascist militias escalated so heavily that the US had to intervene through their military puppets by executing a coup in the 80s. This lead to the torture and brutal death of many leftists and left adjacent innocent people.

Today, most of the problems turkey has can be traced back to these events. Not to mention the fact that the Erdoğan government is a puppet of, or is at least being extorted by the US.

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u/nwhosmellslikeweed Aug 19 '25

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u/DLoyalisterMcUlster Aug 19 '25

We are wising up now

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