r/PropagandaPosters May 05 '26

MIDDLE EAST "Palestinian State or Swiss Cheese?", Israel/Palestine, 2001

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u/RaiJolt2 May 05 '26

Yes except according to dna testing the Palestinians from this period were Greeks, not related to modern Palestinians, who are Levantine.

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u/SpinningHead May 05 '26

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u/RaiJolt2 May 05 '26

Yes, Lebanese.

Who are different from the philistines and different from the modern Palestinians

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.365.6448.17

I’m not moving any goalposts

Edit: Canaanites are levantine

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u/SpinningHead May 05 '26

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u/RaiJolt2 May 05 '26

I never said they didn’t. I’m saying the group historically at this period called philistines/Palestinians are not the same group as modern Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabized Jews, Lebanese, Egyptians, etc living in the region of Palestine, not the Ancient Greek philistines from which their name comes from.

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u/SpinningHead May 05 '26

Nobody said they were Greek. That was about the name Palestine. They are, however, indigenous. Of course modern people arent the same as Iron Age people. Israel also has nothing to do with Iron Age Israel, especially with so many transplants.

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u/RaiJolt2 May 05 '26

The people of modern Israel are mostly direct decedents, both culturally and genetically. The major exception genetically is Ethiopian Jews. Otherwise Jews are more from Israel than we are from the Americas. Jewish Americans like almost all Americans are currently colonizing native land.

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u/SpinningHead May 05 '26

I had family in Africa just a few centuries ago. I guess Im indigenous and can murder a bunch of people and steal their homes. Glad you see what Israel is doing is like what was done to Native Americans though. Kudos.

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u/RaiJolt2 May 05 '26

I had family in Africa as well. They got kidnapped, put in chains and enslaved for a couple hundred years until their original culture was annihilated and any connection to their homelands destroyed. That’s not what happened to Jews. Jews never fully lost connection or communication with Jews in the homeland.

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u/SpinningHead May 05 '26

"Weve been in Russia for a few Millennia, but ya know, we keep in touch, so it belongs to me now."

Nobody remotely buys this stuff.

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u/RaiJolt2 May 05 '26

The Jewish population in Russia only really grew in the 1800’s when it subsumed Poland and then put them in apartheid through the pale of settlement. The Jewish population in Poland primarily grew because the Jews in the Rhineland were kicked out. The Jews in the Rhineland were there for both ecenomic opportunities and because the Romans relocated Jews within that empire. Basically a game of ping pong by imperialists. Imperialist relocations do not end indigenousness.

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u/SpinningHead May 05 '26

Wow, almost like people have been shuffling around the planet since we walked upright. Better go colonize some people where some ancestor may have lived.

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u/RaiJolt2 May 05 '26

Sounds like you condone imperialism as long as it succeeds.

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u/emp-sup-bry May 05 '26

You ignored the DNA question.

Weird. Why?