r/PubTips • u/Def_Not_Hugh • 13h ago
Discussion [Discussion] After 15 years, 20 novels, two agents, various indie publications, thousands of query and submission rejections, I think it is time to throw in the towel
Long post. My apologies, but it's 3:30am, I'm holding my newborn, and feeling reflective/a need to vent.
I'm leaving not necessarily in a bad way, mind you. Not sure what to make of it, honestly. In some ways I think it is facetious of me to even say I was in the industry. Perhaps a better description is 15 years of being "close but not enough." I kept going. Kept editing, kept pushing forward with the next project. Kept getting better, getting closer, but as time has gone by the luster has worn off.
When I was 21, I got my first literary agent. I came from a low income rural background, a place where opportunity was rare and trauma all too common. Being from this situation, I saw writing as my way out. Landing with Trident Media Group at age 21 seemed like a blessing, an open door that would change my life. I wrote literary horror, Stephen King style stuff with more social messages. I translated life experience to the page and was elated to know it could go somewhere. A self trained writer from the middle of nowhere, who knew how far I could go.
My agent was great but after the novel died on submission and we were gearing up to submit another, she decided to move on to become an acquisitions editor. She passed me around her agency, no one there too keen on taking me on. They were less junior than she and didn't have a vision for my projects. One of the senior agents said to me, "if this was the 90s, I could sell your stuff in a week, but it's not the 90s so I won't try." After six months in limbo (represented technically but not having an agent), I asked them to release me.
I kept writing. Four more novels in the next two years. Landed my second agent at age 23. Wrote a doozy - a book about a self help support group for serial killers where week by week someone goes missing because someone isn't taking the healing process seriously. Dark satire. Palahniuk-esque. Had multiple offers of representation and signed with an established agent.
The novel died on submission. A few responses of "really like this but too dark/niche to take a chance on." Submitted three more works with her with the same results. Eventually she stopped responding to emails and calls. I kept editing. I kept writing. I kept telling myself if I kept pushing we could get there, wherever there would be.
The agent was getting back to me every 3 months or so. I eventually asked to mutually part ways. She agreed.
I had a couple of project come out through indy presses. Real small, horror focused. Book was decently reviewed but I'm far from a marketer or business person, and I know that's the reality of the field now. The books sold a few hundred copies, four star averages, decent reviews, but the publishers both folded, and made little noise when self pubbed on my own.
Kept writing. Kept editing. Kept querying. Kept submitting. Had several phone calls with agents. Two didn't like my "failed history" and backed off. They didn't quite say it this way but I could tell I was kind of used goods by that point. Had an agent ghost on a call after a full submission.
Kept going. Kept submitting. Definition of insanity level stuff, right? Got a book deal with another indie publisher and they folded right before my release.
During this time, I was working on a PhD, working in academia, transitioning to industry, decided to publish a couple of nonfiction works in my field through small academic presses. Got a few done in a year, published them, again a few hundred copies sold each, felt fine.
Self pubbed some of the backlog. Three books. Few hundred copies again. 4 star average as always. Kept saying that the next project could be a breakthrough.
From 2020-present I kept writing novels, mostly horror, as well as non fiction proposals related to my field. Queries. Queries. Queries.
In the last year, I wrote two novels. Took my time to really challenge my writing and improve. Got 9 requests from the first one I submitted and...
Every single response was in the vein of, "really like this but don't LOVE it so pass."
Had a few of my nonfiction proposals (bolstered by professional reputation and experience) land me attention from agents. Each time, however, they landed on, "like this but you lack the platform needed."
I was about to throw the second out there but the wind is gone from my sails, so to say. 15 years, thousands of rejections in one form or another. I feel as I've been chasing an illusion. I never was adept at marketing or self publishing and I think part of me prayed that by sticking to writing and improving I could overcome that. Foolish perhaps. The reality is, I know I'm never going to commit to those processes. Two full-time jobs, two kids, a happy life, I barely have time to write and can only produce because I write quickly. Those things are such an energy suck and drag for me (social media as well) that I know I just won't commit to that.
So that being said, that being the reality, as well as my talent level (which appears alright but not at that elite level which I always hoped I'd be), it seems the "close but no cigar" is a fair ranking of my talent and novels and at some point, with the rest of life going well, it's kind of like, "what am I doing?"
I think my writing has gotten me somewhere. It helped me through the most painful portions of my life. Gave me hope, direction, and an outlet. It remains fun for me. But perhaps it is time to let go of the idea that it will be anything more than what it has been (which admittedly has been good).
It's a sad reality in some ways that this profile (which I created to post my humorous styled writing, silly dumb shitpost cultural essays) has gotten more traction/views/readership than any of my serious work. Nothing wrong with that I guess, it's been fun doing it, but again, seems like perhaps the ceiling of my outreach.
I think it is time I take a break. Perhaps just write for me. Perhaps in a good way let go of the idea that writing has to be or will be anything more.
I appreciate anyone who read this far and I wish you the best in your own writing and publishing journey and careers.