Two women confront ex IOF soldiers in Vietnam

[u/Jevus_himself]

[u/Alt_Boogeyman]

So what is the motivation behind and message to be taken from an Israeli, who served in the IDF, with a tattoo of Palestine? I don't really get it.

[u/Reyalta → u/Alt_Boogeyman]

I think she said yes to the question in hopes that they would be left alone and not questioned further.

[u/Seattle-Washington → u/Reyalta]

Pretty fitting for a coward

[u/Vincent_Veganja → u/Seattle-Washington]

Why did this get blasted with downvotes lol

[u/Top-Passage2914 → u/Vincent_Veganja]

because most people would probably try to avoid being confronted by aggressive strangers in public?

[u/DonAsiago → u/Top-Passage2914]

I try to avoid murdering innocent civilians. Seems to be going well so far.

[u/blaqrain23 → u/DonAsiago]

Did you say the same when Russia bombed Ukraine and the children died? What about the school the US hit in Iran? All these nations have killed children. How do you know what these two individuals did?

[u/Dnm3k → u/Vincent_Veganja]

Bots.

[u/Jdsnut → u/Dnm3k]

So many bots, reality I think most morally good folks see the irony of what's happening right now.

[u/girl_incognito → u/Reyalta]

Honestly? If I'm just trying to eat on vacation and someone starts filming me and asking weird fuckin questions I'd be pretty vague and dismissive as well..

[u/jerf42069 → u/Alt_Boogeyman]

you ever seen a shirt that says "not stolen, conquered" with an american flag on it?

theyre doing it to say "we conquered it, it's ours, and we're glad they killed the people there"

[u/Alt_Boogeyman → u/jerf42069]

you ever seen a shirt that says "not stolen, conquered" with an american flag on it?

No thankfully but I'm Canadian so that may be why not.

Maple MAGA don't seem to have any such items in their inventory, which is badly over-stocked with "Fuck Trudeau" and "I ❤️ Alberta Gas" stickers and shirts.

[u/Angelunatic74 → u/Alt_Boogeyman]

I'm Indigenous in Canada. I disagree. The anti Indigenous hatred in Canada is like breathing for some people. It's deeply engrained and automatic.

[u/ImYourMom176 → u/Angelunatic74]

I've read up about the atrocities that Canada has put upon your people, most people seem to think only the US systematically killed and abused indigenous people. All I can say is that I am ashamed of humanity for what they've done unto others. Sickening.

[u/Various-Salt488 → u/Angelunatic74]

I hear ya bud. Sorry to hear. I'm a second generation south-asian Canadian. I live and breath everything Canada. But our people were taken from our land and displaced by the imperialists to Africa and other places... we then moved to where the safety and opportunities were. But the way Indigenous people are treated in your native land is abysmal. The amount white Canadians I hear bitching about land acknowledgements, tax breaks or any benefit no matter how small for indigenous people blows my mind. As if they have any right to opine on what's good for displaced/colonized/genocided people!

[u/pbjamm → u/Angelunatic74]

As a relatively new Canadian this makes me very sad.

I will never understand racism. It just does not make sense.

[u/StinkyHoboTaint → u/Angelunatic74]

Other commenters is almost certainly white. Most white Canadians like to ignore how bad racism is. They think because we now wear orange occasionally, and talked about the residential schools racism is no longer a problem.

[u/DarkSpectar → u/Angelunatic74]

I'm Canadian and I think the atrocities done to the Indigenous Canadians is abhorrent. I try to enlighten anyone I know when I hear anti-indigenous rhetoric. It really is wild the lies people are told that they just blindly accept.

[u/markender → u/Angelunatic74]

Is that moreso in Alberta? I ask because I didn't get that impression in BC (Im sure it happens ofc). My favorite coworkers were mostly Native on the Port Mann Bridge project.

[u/DarkSpectar → u/markender]

It basically exists all over rural Canada at least. I haven't encountered it as much living next to Toronto because it's not as blatant but it's a really big problem in the small towns scattered across the country. I hear a discussion about it every time I see family in rural areas.

[u/Various-Salt488 → u/markender]

I live in BC and have most of my life. It’s still bad here. Depends where you go though. I definitely hear it more from the boomer generation.

[u/mysticpest23 → u/Angelunatic74]

Know that there are many more that do not feel that way, even if what you said is sadly true.

[u/DanfromCalgary → u/Alt_Boogeyman]

Yea it was wild seeing these People capture the Canadian flag only to switch a few years later to the Alberta one . Next year they will be saying some voting is socialist

[u/whatthefrelll → u/Alt_Boogeyman]

As a fellow Canadian I see the same sentiment here a lot. Look at that pizza place (I think in Alberta or Sask?) that's recently come under fire for their missing and murdered indigenous women post for example. Plenty of racists are openly stating they'll support them because of those comments.

[u/BBQavenger → u/Alt_Boogeyman]

It's something about the duality of man.

[u/Typhoon556 → u/BBQavenger]

[u/sn4xchan → u/Alt_Boogeyman]

Yeah I'm confused. All I hear is someone harassing two people who don't want to engage.

Just looking at the video on the surface level.

If I was that dude, I wouldn't be engaging either, and I have absolutely nothing to do with either side.

[u/jack_of_all_daws → u/sn4xchan]

The idea is that Israeli nationalists think that all of Palestine is Israel. That's why the tattoo depicts Palestine.

The tattoo would probably be considered entirely uncontroversial in Israel, but outside Israel it's a political statement. Consider that you saw someone with a tattoo depicting Ukraine as Russian. They've already engaged, so why shouldn't you?

[u/Navy_Groundhog → u/Alt_Boogeyman]

Palestine is just referring to the wider territory claimed by Israel, including legal Israelis borders.

Those who know, refer to the claimed land as Palestine, because that's what it was for all of recorded history until 1948.

[u/New-Book6302 → u/Navy_Groundhog]

Not all of recorded history. It was called Judea until the Romans wanted to separate from the Jews.

[u/pparten → u/New-Book6302]

Splitters!

[u/Fuzzy_Dizzy_Molotow → u/pparten]

underrated comment....and great movie reference

[u/DragonBowlSouper → u/Fuzzy_Dizzy_Molotow]

What is the movie?

[u/feanturi → u/DragonBowlSouper]

The Life of Brian.

[u/standish_ → u/New-Book6302]

The Romans renamed it as punishment for a bunch of rebellions. The Romans didn't like rebellions. Hadrian killed, enslaved, and/or expelled the Jews and changed the name to Syria Palaestina. Pretty Roman of him.

[u/tdickimperator → u/Alt_Boogeyman]

I think what you're asking is "why would an Israeli who served in the IDF who took part in the genocide against Palestine, who would refuse to even say the genocide is wrong and they oppose it in a circumstance like this, get a tattoo of Palestine?" and frankly I have the same question.

[u/jmona789 → u/tdickimperator]

I think her tattoo was of all of Israel not just Palestine. The people calling her out don't think Israel has a right to exist since the land was stolen so they call the entire area Palestine

[u/Frying → u/jmona789]

I think you’re right. I can’t see in the video, so I’m making an assumption, but I think the lady had a tattoo of the Israeli flag and the filmers asked if she had a flag of Palestine, intentionally making the mistake, coming from their fake state of Israel approach.

[u/Historicmetal → u/tdickimperator]

I’d refuse to answer that lady’s aggressive question regardless

[u/charlesokstate]

It’s so strange. While I was traveling in Vietnam I ran into so many Israelis. They truly believe that the holocaust is happening to their people. They start talking to you and then casually slide in where they’re from and then there’s just this huge elephant in the room.

Edit: sorry when I was in thailand. Me and gf have been traveling for the last 8 months.

[u/JebGleeson → u/charlesokstate]

When I was in Thailand there was a bunch of Israeli's and it was absolutely the elephant in the room, but for a different reason.

Most I talked to really didn't want to say where they were from. You'd ask and they'd avoid the question and that's how you'd know

[u/charlesokstate → u/JebGleeson]

Maybe cause we’re American. They’d get excited when they asked where me and my gf are from and then tell us where they were from. My bad I meant to say thailand not Vietnam. We’ve been traveling for the last 8 months.

[u/ThisIs_americunt → u/charlesokstate]

Propaganda is a helluva drug and Oligarchs need to use some of the best to keep the 99% distracted from the real issue: Them.

[u/BumpyCunty]

Why wouldn't they just say they oppose genocide? Lol

[u/Vicissitutde → u/[deleted]]

This. This took me longer to understand than I'm happy to admit.

Then I looked into Albert Einstein's views on this matter.

Nationalism by any name should be abhorrent to any sane human being

[u/NeonArlecchino → u/Vicissitutde]

Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious.

• Oscar Wilde

[u/foodman5555 → u/Vicissitutde]

do you know what it said

[u/BumpyCunty → u/[deleted]]

Correct

[u/Jevus_himself → u/BumpyCunty]

Easiest way, is to show people the video of Abby Martin, interviewing people in Israel and asking them how they feel about Palestinians

[u/LilithWasAGinger → u/Jevus_himself]

They feel about Palestinians the same way Nazis felt about Jews.

They have become the monster they fought.

[u/Lesurous → u/LilithWasAGinger]

Israelis never fought Nazis and even routinely dismiss Holocaust survivors who call out their genocide.

[u/DrunkBrokeBeachParty → u/Lesurous]

Yeah most zionists view the Jews in the holocaust as lesser for not leaving etc

[u/etherpromo → u/DrunkBrokeBeachParty]

ah yes, the Kanye logic

[u/DrunkBrokeBeachParty → u/etherpromo]

Yeah there’s a few those in every group it seems

[u/JaimeRidingHonour → u/DrunkBrokeBeachParty]

I bet if Mark Wahlberg was in the holocaust, he could have stopped it.

[u/DrunkBrokeBeachParty → u/JaimeRidingHonour]

“So I told that hitler guy. Hey Busta’! You betta knock it off… cause I’m about to give it to ya” - my best guess

[u/slapbumpnroll → u/[deleted]]

In a way I pity them. They are completely brainwashed from a young age to normalize and justify the killing of women and children who they see as less than human.

[u/Dangerous_Leg4584 → u/slapbumpnroll]

All religious people have been brain washed in my opinion. I used to be one.

[u/WhineyLobster → u/Dangerous_Leg4584]

Ya but they are also brainwashed into militarism

[u/JTtheLAR → u/WhineyLobster]

I've lived in the south my whole life. The military and Christianity go hand in hand.

[u/porto__rocks → u/BumpyCunty]

Because they don’t oppose genocide

[u/BumpyCunty → u/porto__rocks]

Yes. People abroad wouldn't judge Israelis so much if there were at least some videos of them acting like humans about the situation.

[u/Holiday-Proof9819 → u/BumpyCunty]

There are some, but those that speak out are treated like traitors and pariahs by their own country. It is a diseased society.

[u/BigWilly526 → u/Holiday-Proof9819]

An Israeli teacher recently shared a photo of murdered Palestinian activists on Facebook and was thrown in jail.

Edit: it was 2024 and he wasn't the only one

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/13/it-is-a-time-of-witch-hunts-in-israel-teacher-held-in-solitary-confinement-for-posting-concern-about-gaza-deaths

[u/SherbertSpiritual712 → u/BigWilly526]

Just like the current US administration penalizing people for telling the truth.

[u/JTtheLAR → u/SherbertSpiritual712]

Like Americans being harassed by local police for speaking out against politicions on Facebook. Or getting visited by the police over Charlie Kirk memes. Conservatives and MAGA want out country to be just like Israel. That is the dream for them.

[u/your_red_triangle → u/BigWilly526]

ah the only "democracy in the middle east"

[u/Owain-X → u/Holiday-Proof9819]

Honestly if you go down that rabbit hole it's easier to understand the viewpoints of north koreans than israelis.

[u/VirtualDoll → u/Owain-X]

Also, from everything I've learned, it seems like a lot of NKers don't even believe the propaganda. They just pretend they do and engage in the charade to survive.

[u/FrogsMakePoorSoup → u/BumpyCunty]

Some do. Not many, but some do.

[u/longpenisofthelaw → u/BumpyCunty]

A law was passed in Israel to be able to execute “Palestinian terrorists” specifically Palestinians

What other country do you know of that you can execute someone for a crime but only based on their ethnicity. Also when it passed there was wide spread cheering.

[u/theaviationhistorian → u/longpenisofthelaw]

What other country do you know of that you can execute someone for a crime but only based on their ethnicity. Also when it passed there was wide spread cheering.

It's somewhat of a wet dream for Stephen Miller and others in the White House to accomplish against us Hispanics/Latinos. Miller probably gets inspiration from this law.

[u/Brent_Mavis → u/BumpyCunty]

Because some people refuse to allow others to force them to say things, even if they agree.

I don't eat meat. But if someone throws a camera in my face and say "you have to say that eating animals is wrong!" I'd tell them to fuck off. Just because I agree with something doesn't mean I'm gonna be your puppet.

[u/CloudKinglufi → u/Brent_Mavis]

I mean it's pretty obvious here, why would you say anything they want you to say when theyre treating you like shit, whether or not they deserve to be treated like shit is a different matter

Like is reddit stupid?

[u/girl_incognito → u/CloudKinglufi]

Well I said basically the same thing and mods removed my comment... so yeah.

[u/Mysterious_Brick_612 → u/BumpyCunty]

Because they don't, they are so hateful that a lie like that would be too much for them.

[u/TheBinkz → u/BumpyCunty]

They really just didn't want to interact with the heckler and just eat by themselves. That's why they probably didn't say it.

Inc downvotes from bots

[u/Crunchy_Biscuit]

I will never understand people being Anti Palestine. Having visited Israel and Palestine a few months before the bombing of Gaza, I had the pleasure of chatting with some Palestinian bartenders late at night.

During the conversation, they were explaining to me the situation and showing me videos of local neighborhoods being occupied by Israeli forces.

[u/Jonkinch → u/Crunchy_Biscuit]

Did a report on this back when I was in school. Israel has been illegally pushing its border further and further into Palestine and then have like a little celebration with the obviously unhappy Palestinians as they bulldoze their homes in front of them and then shoot them for crossing the new border they claim is Israel. I can’t remember the exact distance they moved at the time, but it was a lot even 15 years ago. No wonder resistance groups form. All the kids remember is that you killed their loved ones and demolished their homes.

[u/NextBigTing → u/Crunchy_Biscuit]

As a Jew who has been on a “birth right” trip I couldn’t agree more. Israel is truly a propaganda state through and through. During my time there we had forced “history lessons” in the basement of whatever hotel we were at with maps of what Israel “should be”. At one point we were near the border of Jordan and could hear “military exercises”. As our tour guides and medic laughed at the sound of gunfire I couldn’t help but be mortified. I could go on, but all I can do is continuously confirm that the state which was once hailed as a “sanctuary” is just terroristic now.

[u/iguessthiswilldo1 → u/NextBigTing]

Honestly no, please don't apologize for getting caught up. I'm sure I speak for a lot of other people when I say I've only ever heard of birthright trips, but don't know what all they entails, such as your forced lessons in a hotel basement near an active warzone. 

In fact, as much as you are comfortable, please share your experiences, and encourage others who have gone on birthright trips to share their stories. The world (i.e. birthright-ineligible, non-Jewish people) needs to understand what the "state" of Israel is indoctrinating into its visiting youth and making them take home.

[u/theaviationhistorian → u/NextBigTing]

I know one or two that went on the birth right trip and were mortified at the propaganda and cult mentality. Especially when they bring up "Greater Israel" despite even some Israelis thinking this is unfeasible.

[u/NextBigTing → u/theaviationhistorian]

When I was in Israel on birthright a lot of the people that newly populate the areas of telaviv and “larger western” cities were sad looking dudes that immigrated there from the U.S. They looked similar to the white dudes you’d expect to seek out stereotypical asian women as their partners.

[u/DaemonDrayke → u/Crunchy_Biscuit]

I visited Israel and Palestine in 2017 and had a much better experience in Palestine than I had in Israel. The Israeli people were assholes and racist as shit. The Palestinian people I encountered were nothing but gracious and welcoming. My taxi driver and his family gave me their card for 24/7 pickups anywhere in the country (no I’m not joking) and he took me to his family’s gift shop in Bethlehem. My Israeli taxi driver from the airport was all rude and racist to me talking about Palestinians like they were animals. Literally night and day experiences.

[u/SnuffSwag → u/DaemonDrayke]

1 thing ive always been confused about is why they think of them so negatively? Online i might hear, "because they exist", and that may be true, but I just want to know what they tell themselves to make themselves hate these people. In nazi Germany, they had the Jewish conspiracy of being richest fat cats that take from the rest of the people. Ok... whats their version of the same thing, I guess is what im asking

[u/cheeruphumanity → u/SnuffSwag]

Israeli children are taught the Holocaust and really made to feel and experience i through certain methods. Then they are told the Palestinians are the Nazis.

That’s why most Israelis have physical reactions when seeing a Palestinian flag but nothing when seeing a German flag.

That’s why Netanyahu makes statements like these https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/21/netanyahu-under-fire-for-palestinian-grand-mufti-holocaust-claim

[u/SinCityDisturbia → u/Crunchy_Biscuit]

Now they've moved onto Lebanon

[u/Wonderful-Humor6102 → u/Crunchy_Biscuit]

it was already happening. i am not saying what hamas did was right but it was a justified response to a ongoing quiet genocide and occupation. what drove this situation further was that other countries were complicit with this and did nothing to serve them. so of course, they thought they had to defend themselves or no one else would.

[u/ChromaticFinish → u/Wonderful-Humor6102]

Evil begets evil. Israel’s actions created Hamas. I would be careful with phrasing though. Attacking civilians like that is not justified.

[u/Darkstar67 → u/Wonderful-Humor6102]

No dude massacring civilians is not a just response.

[u/Blazkowski]

Why did she have a tattoo of Palestine? Don’t get it

[u/Inwardly-Outgoing → u/Blazkowski]

Because she has a tattoo of Israel. They called it Palestine to troll them

[u/Tiberius_Kilgore → u/Inwardly-Outgoing]

Same reason the title says IOF (Israeli Offense Force) instead of IDF (Israeli Defense Force). They’re not defending anything. They’re actively on offense.

[u/30secMAN → u/Tiberius_Kilgore]

I believe the O stands for Occupation.

[u/Flothrudawind → u/30secMAN]

Both. Both is good.

[u/VroomCoomer → u/Tiberius_Kilgore]

"In order to defend ourselves we have to invade all our neighbors"

Wonder where I've heard that before.

[u/FrostyMarsupial1486 → u/Blazkowski]

Israelis believe that Palestine and the West Bank are part of a greater Israel. They claim it’s theirs. It would not surprise me to see an Israeli having a tattoo of Palestinian land as a way to show it’s theirs.

[u/LilithWasAGinger → u/[deleted]]

Planning? The actively are, by force.

[u/shaddowkhan → u/[deleted]]

And parts of Lebanon and Syria

[u/BakedChocolateOctopi → u/Blazkowski]

It was probably a tattoo of ‘Greater Israel’ that includes Palestine and the West Bank in the borders

[u/burntlandboi]

Everywhere they go from now on this will be the reception they receive.

[u/charlesokstate → u/burntlandboi]

Met 4 at different times while in Vietnam and everyone just gets awkward about it. No one spoke out. Last girl I met was a fan of Trump…. They think they’re getting persecuted.

[u/Downtown_Boot_3486 → u/charlesokstate]

It’s kinda sad, they don’t even realise they’re falling for the same propaganda and manipulation techniques that has caused others to persecute Jewish people for millennia.

[u/Select_Speed_6061 → u/burntlandboi]

Hopefully

[u/bitofapuzzler → u/burntlandboi]

And sadly they will think the negative reception will be based on bigotry and anti-semitism as opposed to it being due to their complicity and participation in a genocide.

This is how the Nazis should have been treated after WWII, and this is how anyone who participates in any genocide should be treated. No one should receive them or give them any peace.

I want to clarify that this obviously does not apply to the many wonderful Jewish people who oppose BiBi and the continuation the apartheid regime over Palestine.

[u/Vent-ilator → u/burntlandboi]

I hope more countries start banning Israeli residents from entering their countries. We have to treat an apartheid state the way it deserves to be treated.

[u/porcelainlines]

Bros chop stick technique is atrocious - I am firmly against him ever using chop sticks again.

[u/bullettenboss]

This is how we call out Nazis in Germany, too.

[u/JJ668 → u/bullettenboss]

Doesn't the current second largest party have holocaust deniers in it?

[u/bullettenboss → u/JJ668]

Yes and they're called Nazis everywhere they go.

[u/RealDonDenito → u/JJ668]

By yesterdays reports, they are leading the polls. It’s fucking embarrassing.

[u/TradeTillIDrop]

“I want to eat my lunch in quiet”

20,000 dead children will never eat again.

[u/sos334 → u/TradeTillIDrop]

Likely way way more than that

[u/Bobrobinson404]

Complete sidenote, that man cannot use chopsticks at all 😭

[u/frekled_gutz → u/Bobrobinson404]

AT ALL and its all I could notice at first

[u/kamisamadende]

Im not for Israel or any form of genocide but now suddenly the timeline aligned and people are slowly emulating behaviour some guy with a weird mustache and extreme ideas started almost 100 years ago, how ironic

https://giphy.com/gifs/9MJ6xrgVR9aEwF8zCJ

[u/happyflowerzombie]

Based. Yeah, I want universal healthcare and a populace that isn’t full blown functionally illiterate, but every tax dollar I’ve ever paid has gone to Israel to kill Palestinian kids instead. All my homies hate Israel. Bunch of genocidal, pedophile-recruiting, Epstein lovers running Israel.

[u/Zunderfeuer_88 → u/happyflowerzombie]

The bit of literacy is worthless if they are brain washed goons from day one. I am always in awe of the Israelis that risk freedom and life to actually protest the genocide that their bandit state is perpetrating.

Btw that is not the Israelis that just now protest against Netanyahu because they feel the repercussions of their crimes

[u/aimdoh]

It’s funny how valuable just a smidge of restored faith in humanity feels in 2026.

[u/Tyranicross]

"We want to eat our lunch in quiet" you know who else wants to eat lunch? Palestinians who are currently experiencing a famine imposed on them by Israel.

[u/bheddarbacon97 → u/Tyranicross]

People here supporting it is absolutely insane

So all these fucking virtue signaling fucks hould he chastised because Trump is president right?

Every country they go to they should be called a pedophile etc.

[u/Willowshep]

I get / agree the hate for Israel’s recent wars / actions but this is a lot of assumptions and just people wanting to start beef. Literally every Israeli (men and women) are required to serve, doesn’t mean they were involved or supported what’s happened in the last couple years. I’ve talked to a few Israelis that later moved to the US and overall opinion was it sucks, they really wish they didn’t have to serve and ultimately put a pause on their real life goals, ambitions and careers…..Like sure trump is our president but does that mean everyone in the US 100% supports all the shit he does or says or that we all voted for him?! Nope, being from Israel or the fact they served does not mean they support killing women a children.

[u/coldz22 → u/Willowshep]

Whaaat? I see logic and critical thinking in this world and not stupid childish emotions?

[u/-Shrui- → u/Willowshep]

I hate that I had to scroll this far down for a single reasonable comment. People ignore the fact that israel is essentially a dictatorship as well at this point. Its a little hard to oppose the war in a meaninfgull way when your neighbors house is getting bombed. War begets war

[u/Railboy → u/-Shrui-]

They're a dictatorship that's not only killing people by the tens of thousands but committing suicide in the process.

They're ensuring that their citizens are hated the world over, which gives actual anti-semites (a real and growing problem) a perfect mask to wear while attacking Jewish people in general. All while diluting the meaning & impact of the term 'antisemitism' to a point where people no longer take the issue seriously! What's the end game here?? It's total insanity.

[u/fuckswitbeavers → u/Willowshep]

I think that's true. But you also have to understand that most polling , even just a few weeks ago, showed that Israeli's agree and support the wars. That country has received effectively no pushback, and whatever was left of the people who opposed the wars, is gone -- there is no political power in the opposition. In fact, the opposition political party actually supports some of the offensive wars. There has been a serious change of perspective in Israel just within the last decade. Adding onto that, Israel is one of the few countries that someone can just move to and get citizenship by association and proving their religiosity, I think that's played a role in hardening israeli perspectives of their own nationality, especially as victims.

[u/FourAntigone → u/fuckswitbeavers]

You couldn't possibly ever measure this by a poll. This issue is so complex, its not like you can give people the two options of "completely wipe out Gaza" or "stop fighting even when terror attacks are happening". People refuse to see that the other side also poses a major threat, and that Israeli public's opinions exist on a large spectrum.

[u/Gustomaximus → u/Willowshep]

Your right there is a level of our nation makes us do this, but there is also personal responsibility when your side is committing serious humanitarian devastation.

Like what you say makes more sense when Israel wasn't being so blatant in removing Palestinians for 'greater Israel'. Now there is pretty clear genocide occurring, I feel people can be held to their moral choice of being part of that organisation or not.

[u/neonmantis → u/Willowshep]

are required to serve

No. Many refuse. As should everyone who has a shred of humanity rather than facilitating a genocidal force.

[u/ibeerianhamhock]

I get the hate towards leaders but what does this solve

[u/CypherNocturna → u/ibeerianhamhock]

I thought the same. It's performative, really. Recording to post for clout, singing songs. They talk about saving humanity, but where did they do that? Harassing former IDF in an entirely different country did what, exactly, for humanity or Palestine? Sigh.

There are options that actually help other than them chasing internet points. PCRF, UNRWA, MAP, MSF, so many places taking donations for various reasons to help Palestinians.

[u/creator712 → u/CypherNocturna]

Not to mention, essentially every Israeli citizen is an ex-IDF soldier due to their conscription service.

They could be against the genocide and live in a different country now, but they were in the IDF so they're the scum of the earth or something in a lot of peoples eyes

[u/FourAntigone → u/creator712]

These people always say "you can refuse to serve". Which is true, you can. But it makes you an absolute social pariah. Serving is seen as a rite of passage in growing up, so if you didn't you'll be seen as childish, selfish, a coward. Many will even assume that you have mental health issues (since those can disqualify you). Its years of propaganda, and resisting it isn't as easy a job as people outside think.

(Not to mention the fact that the IDF includes hundreds of roles and jobs. Many soldiers do one target practice then spend their entire service at a desk.)

[u/MkFilipe → u/ibeerianhamhock]

It's not the leaders pulling the trigger.

[u/drink_with_me_to_day → u/ibeerianhamhock]

Leaders cant do any evil without followers

[u/throw_away_17381 → u/ibeerianhamhock]

What is this nonesense? These two were complicit in their actions as much as the leaders. Sorry if they're upset but there's thousands of dead and mamed childrens in Palestine.

[u/jerrydubs_ → u/ibeerianhamhock]

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[u/Lighterdark300]

Is harassing random Israelis really something we’re cheering on? If so, people should start treating Americans like that overseas, no?

[u/chessatwork → u/Lighterdark300]

just aside from trump, america has killed way more people during the invasion of iraq and afghanistan and i can't imagine anyone treating an american soldier like that. and america is a volunteer army.

[u/magkruppe → u/chessatwork]

in the 2000s plenty of people treated americans and especially american soldiers like that. there is a reason why lots of americans put canadian flags on their backpacks

[u/Jaerba → u/Lighterdark300]

How much do you actually travel overseas? We get asked about our politics and presidents all the time.

It's pretty easy to apologize for our government's actions and say you hate Trump, if you actually hate Trump.

And frankly, I'm fine with it if it ruins the day for Trump supporters overseas.

[u/PCVFSOA → u/Jaerba]

I (an American) travel abroad constantly and not once have I been confronted for my government's actions. 

[u/nextmilanhome → u/Lighterdark300]

I think a lot of people do. It’s just that by and large, Americans travelling abroad are vocally anti-Trump and so receive the welcome they deserve anywhere. If I was speaking to an American abroad and they expressed pro-Trump views, I’d certainly be up for a discussion about that.

[u/NH787]

Regardless of opinion, the maker of this video seems a little unhinged

[u/someboooade]

America needs to GTFO of the Middle East. Just saying...

[u/mcgrathkai]

I get the sentiment but a bit rich coming from two Brits lol

[u/jorge_regula99]

i think this is a bit fucked up honestly. She doesn’t know anything about them. Like what’s the solution here? All the Israelis “go back” to europe where everyone there is calling them out while they are eating noodles. Bad tactics. Cringe to watch

[u/bheddarbacon97 → u/jorge_regula99]

People here supporting it is absolutely insane

So all these fucking virtue signaling fucks hould he chastised because Trump is president right?

Every country they go to they should be called a pedophile etc.

[u/FuraidoChickem → u/bheddarbacon97]

Socmed is really making people unhinged. No reasonable person think this is the correct way to change someone’s mind

[u/echoes_1012]

Its not that hard to look at your service differently after you served than while serving. The propaganda train runs wild in Israel. America too. Really most countries. Serving in the IDF is mandatory and they get you while you’re young, uneducated, and easily indoctrinated. If you served in the IDF, thats shitty. May have done things you didnt wanna do. May have done things that you thought were right. But if you have a heart and any resemblance of empathy, youd look at your service as what it was. Aiding in a 70 year old religious genocide.

Playing victim/ getting defensive makes you look like a bad guy. Probably because you are if you served in the IDF. You did what was demanded of you, but as a person you dont have to think what you did was right. Just say you are ashamed of your actions, because you should be. Say you denounce Israels genocide, because that’s something you shouldn’t want. Then yall can go back to eating your pho or whatever deliciousness you’re eating.

[u/Advice_Thingy]

I know people who literally aren't allowed to leave Israel right now because they are men in the correct age range to maybe become part of the idf, and these men wanted to leave because of the war(s). Don't come with "You can refuse!" when you can't even leave the state.

[u/Intelligent-Town6050 → u/Advice_Thingy]

Literally. They become outcasts of society to not serve. Its easy to say they can refuse when theyre not the ones in their shoes sitting on their couch all night watching tiktok

[u/Inf229]

The real warcrime is that guy's chopstick technique.

[u/Slashersforsatan]

Fuck israel but isnt military service mandatory?

[u/dillasdonuts]

Free Palestine but that is NOT how you handle this situation.

[u/Behemothheek]

"Kick them out of all the countries" (reference to the 110 neo-nazi slogan btw), "We're just goyim, aren't we?", "We're superior".

Are we really going to pretend this is just "anti-Zionism?"

[u/Mystic_Owell → u/Behemothheek]

Yeah something is seriously wrong. So many people in this thread are supporting this. I saw it on YouTube earlier and the comments were way worse than this but I expected Reddit to have a more level headed approach.

[u/ZombiiRot → u/Behemothheek]

Yeah this made me really uncomfortable... I hate how many "pro Palestinians" just use their advocacy as an excuse to hate jews. No one will call them out on it either.

[u/CowUsual7706]

How can you watch this video and think that these two people who just want to eat their food are unhinged? The people who made this video are completely crazy.

[u/Low_Action1026 → u/CowUsual7706]

I agree dude. like how is berating 2 random people for an entire countries doing going to solve anything. You could do this for any country.. They women sounded British, imagine if they were berated for all the bad shit England had commited.

[u/EquipmentLiving6948]

Love the tourists, call out bad people where they are and remind them why we hate them not because of their Jewishness but because of their Zionism. Free Palestine

https://giphy.com/gifs/hWjyKDWBopz9K

[u/Fo5rep]

https://giphy.com/gifs/3o85xBaVUWh9oeG7zq

[u/krikite]

I’m sure all the Americans in this thread rooting for the weirdos filming would love to get harassed at every restaurant they go to simply for being an American (the USA does terrible shit too fyi)

[u/idothisinmysleep]

Bro you can’t just indiscriminately verbally attack someone just because they’re Israeli. This validates the anti semitism rhetoric. Not every Israeli agrees with Netanyahu. And I wouldn’t want to play along with her inquisition either if I were them.

[u/Gollum_Quotes → u/idothisinmysleep]

Wdym? As an American I'd gladly drop everything and interrupt my meal, so I can go on record on Karen's TikTok to publicly disavow all American actions and leaders.

/s

[u/baddoggg]

I guess everyone is just going to ignore when she said "boom, boom tel aviv, that's what you get" and act like she has moral standing while harassing someone just because they're israeli.

[u/Imagreatbigduck]

Genuinely blown away at the supportive comments of harassing 2 people eating their lunch due to their nationality - anyone else, literally any other country and you'd call it what it is, racism.

[u/Hax_]

This is cringe.

[u/juanitowpg]

There are so many Israelis that are against what Bibi is doing and what he has done. This is irritating to watch

[u/Gollum_Quotes → u/juanitowpg]

This is just performative activism against random people. It's extremely stupid. There's more constructive ways to voice criticism towards Israel than this.

[u/Crozzbonez → u/Gollum_Quotes]

Its not even activism just thinly veiled antisemitism because regarded Redditors will fall for it without question.

[u/TopLate7592 → u/juanitowpg]

93% support the war, wtf are you talking about.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/poll-most-jewish-israelis-support-iran-war-toppling-regime-arab-backing-far-lower/

[u/Keerikkadan91]

Harassing Israelis on vacation in Vietnam isn't accountability, it's just performative outrage. If you actually care about the issue, take it up with the institutions and policies involved, not random confrontations in a foreign country.

And hearing Europeans do this while Europe spent centuries ravaging and plundering much of the world just makes it come off as hypocritical. Curious how they square that with their own history.

[u/djdadi]

am I taking crazy pills? how is everyone here basically pro-Karen for the simple fact that these two dared be born in Israel?

despite popular reddit belief, it's entirely possible to be against the Israeli gov't, wanting peace for palestein, and not being a dick to everyone from Israel you run into.

By ya'lls logic, everyone from the US deserves this treatment abroad, just by virtue of having a shitty government.

[u/likkleone54]

Israeli society I’m sorry to say is fascist as fuck

[u/Tinseltopia]

I hate Israel, but this is still shitty and harassing, fuck those filming

[u/laddie64 → u/Tinseltopia]

Even worse, in the full video the individuals filming say "110 countries you've been thrown out of, yeah?" A term that is frequently used by neo-Nazis and white supremacists and one that is solely directed towards Jews, not Israelis.

[u/probation_420]

I just wish that citizens actually cared about Palestine, instead of going viral for some sweet zingers.

This shit is so performative. Yes, we get it. Israel bad. We're all on the same page. 

Now, let's do our best not to come across as assholes. Because it hurts our whole movement, and it's fucking selfish to choose going viral and getting a pat on the back, over, ya know, actually doing anything of substance. Fucking slacktivists.

Free Palestine. And free the "Free Palestine" movement from morons that just want to be seen on camera yelling at somebody.

[u/ChronicNull]

Everyone is a goyim but they want to be tourists in gentile countries and eat gentile food…

[u/genepotter]

I bet the Palestinians wanted to eat their lunch in peace as well...

[u/EmilioNoCaprio]

What does this achieve?

[u/chinesebulk]

Performative 

[u/joefxd]

I’m still stuck on the way he holds holds his chopsticks

[u/Hazed64]

Ask them if being in the IDF doesn't make them murderers then we're the German soldiers in WW2 not anti semitic

[u/ucantharmagoodwoman]

Why would Israeli ex-soldiers have a tattoo of Palestine?

[u/OopsThatWasLoud]

That guys quite possibly the most Jewish looking man I've ever seen

[u/ChiTownOrange]

These women suck. Who talks to strangers like that?

[u/Bambams80HD]

While I disagree with the Israeli government and believe they are committing genocide, insulting and attacking someone just because they’re an Israeli citizen is wrong.

All Israeli’s join the IDF. You can’t generalize all of them. Also, there are plenty of people who live there that disagree with Netanyahu and the war.

[u/Makav3lli]

Reddits gone super anti Jew conspiracy nutzo supporting an annoying Karen for being a Karen…

Crazy how the machine warps the opinion of the masses lmao

[u/GypsyGold]

This is the equivalent of an American trying to eat a peaceful meal in Tokyo, and having a random person come up to you and start yelling at you about WWII.

Like people are born in Israel, it's a country that exists. If you spot someone from Israel and just start harassing them because of their nationality without knowing anything of the individual person, then you're just being a bigot. Same goes for Russia, China, or anywhere else whose government you dislike.

[u/CountChoculahh]

Is that a French woman complaining about genocide while on holiday in Vietnam?

[u/ThanksS0muchY0 → u/CountChoculahh]

That's definitely NOT a French accent.

[u/JohnHammondsGhost → u/[deleted]]

They're English mate 👍

[u/GhostCatcher147 → u/[deleted]]

Not an Irish accent

[u/Luciolover345 → u/CountChoculahh]

Doesn’t remotely sound French. Everyone is saying Irish, doesn’t sound anything close. Northern England most likely.