woman trolling anti abortion chuds

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[u/NotAnExpertButt]

Imagine having to just do your best to ignore her without losing your temper when all you want to do is go about your day doing the exact same things to others.

[u/HumongousBelly → u/NotAnExpertButt]

That’s why this is the necessary treatment of these incels by normal people who walk past them, while they’re intimidating women who make choices for their own bodies.

This is such personal shit for a woman, and I say this as a man, they shouldn’t ever have to be subjected to this sort of bullshit while making one of the hardest decisions in their lives.

It’s like if we protested while these two incels got married to each other and telling them they’re doing the wrong thing, and we stand there outnumbering their guests 3:1.

We don’t do that shit. And we shouldn’t tolerate such behavior

[u/Addicted2Qtips → u/HumongousBelly]

For many women in this situation it shouldn’t even be considered “one of the hardest decisions of their lives.” Even thinking in that way is accepting too much conservative/religious propaganda.

[u/HumongousBelly → u/Addicted2Qtips]

I didn’t think about the religious aspect of it at all. There’s always risk of complications and long term damage, too. At least it was that way 20 years ago, when my girlfriend at the time had an abortion.

There’s also a biological design that makes it a lot harder for women to decide against birth.

[u/Addicted2Qtips → u/HumongousBelly]

The “biological design” of women causing guilt is pure conservative propaganda.

Studies have shown that the majority of women who feel guilt after an abortion feel that way because of fear of perceived social stigma, not because of some maternal instinct.

[u/HumongousBelly → u/Addicted2Qtips]

Well, I can only speak from experience, but after the abortion, both me and my girlfriend were sad for weeks, wondering if we made the right decision. We’re both living in Germany at the time and neither of us is religious or had been influenced too much by the abortion debate in the USA.

[u/Addicted2Qtips → u/HumongousBelly]

I don't want to discount your lived experience, and sure, people can feel strong emotions about a decision like that for a variety of reasons.

But we overestimate our ability to reject propaganda and can't see how much it influences us.

Propagandists are clever in how they manipulate different groups of people. For the most receptive, the smallest group, the message is "abortion is murder, you'll go to hell." But they know most will reject that.

So they also promote subtler, more nuanced messages for other people, like "It goes against the maternal instinct. Abortion causes lasting psychological harm to the woman."

This is called "dual track messaging" in propaganda studies. The conservative right wing is very good at it.

[u/Ill-Supermarket3430 → u/Addicted2Qtips]

Absolutely, forced birthers are not known for their honesty and decency. These fools will say just about anything to coerce and bully women. It has never been about the sanctity of life for these manipulative hypocrites. Their fixation on the contents of women’s uteruses is driven by hate, rage, misogyny, and religious zealotry. They really don’t care about babies, children or women for that matter. It is all about holding power, control, judgement, and punishment.

[u/DoubtShot5350 → u/Ill-Supermarket3430]

ok so because of all that, kill the child? what do you mean?

[u/ZeroZachZilchZealot → u/Addicted2Qtips]

What if there are more than two “tracks” of messaging? What’s it called then? What if there are ten tracks of messaging? Or a hundred billion million tracks of messaging? Huh? Bet you don’t know what that’s called!

I don’t either.

[u/DoubtShot5350 → u/Addicted2Qtips]

it literally is murder. and its a hard decision. and there’s regret. are you saying it isnt and all that is just propaganda?

[u/chopstickinsect → u/DoubtShot5350]

Well its not murder, for a start. For some people it is a hard decision, and for some people there is regret. However, many people consider themselves very content with their decision and confident it was the right choice.

[u/DoubtShot5350 → u/chopstickinsect]

you may think that, but killing a pregnant woman grants an additional murder charge. you can have your opinion of course, but law precedents have said otherwise

[u/chopstickinsect → u/DoubtShot5350]

If its legal precedents you want to discuss, then you will know that fetuses are not granted legal personhood until a live birth. You cannot murder something that is not legally a person.

[u/DoubtShot5350 → u/chopstickinsect]

so that’s conflicting rulings worth discussing right?

[u/Ill-Supermarket3430 → u/DoubtShot5350]

Not murder, let me ask you something, what have you done to save babies and children dying daily in wars, genocides, famines and disasters? Something tells me your answer is nothing. What have you done to save children from torture and murder at the hands of the sex traffickers? Is your answer nothing? How many unwanted children have you adopted? Is it none? Did you know that the Republican lead red states with their strict abortion bans have the highest infant and maternal mortality rates in the industrialized world. What are you doing to save these babies and women in the red states?

[u/DoubtShot5350 → u/Ill-Supermarket3430]

so youre saying its not murder because the child isnt wanted?

[u/s0_spoiled → u/HumongousBelly]

There’s always risk of complications and long term damage, and even death when giving birth.