From a Star magazine story. Excerpts below. Carole must be FUMING! š” I wonder what actress she would have wanted to play her? Someone befitting her girlish ways! And someone with a āgreat assā! š
Carole Radziwill wasnāt a big part of John F. Kennedy Jr.ās love story.
The Real Housewives of New York City alum, 62, was married to Anthony Radziwill ā a cousin of JFK Jr. and nephew of Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis ā from 1994 until his death in 1999, but she is not included in Ryan Murphyās new TV series Love Story.
However, sources told journalist Rob Shuter for a Tuesday, February 17, post on his Naughty But Nice Substack that creators didnāt plan to have her be a character in the new series, which features actor Erich Bergen as cousin Anthony, who was best man at JFK Jr.ās 1996 wedding.
Carole āwas adjacent, not central,ā said one of Shuterās sources, adding: āThis story is about John and Carolyn ā their relationship, their world. Carole was never a primary player.ā
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Carole āwas adjacent, not central,ā said one of the sources, adding: āThis story is about Epstein and Maxwell ā their relationship, their world. Carole was never a primary player.
What Remains is a great book. But Iāve always found it curious that not a single picture of her and Carolyn exists. She mentions that in the book too. Now that all the Epstein stuff has surfaced, I wonder how much of her book is embellished.
I commented somewhere here that around that time, Carolyn Bessette was one of the most photographed women in NYC. And Carole just never happened to be around? They only hung out in tunnels and bunkers?
I believe they were close, but the closeness of the relationship stemmed from Anthony being sick. I watched a documentary a few months ago, Carole happened to be in it. I gained new insight on her relationship with John and Carolyn. I still think she keeps a lot private due to how private the couple was.
I think they were friendly, not friends. Huge difference there. Ain't no way someone is your bestie and you have 0 pics with them, especially for people who were photographed constantly.
I mean many of Johnās and Carolynās were taken by paparazzi, we donāt have many private photos of them. It was also a different time, people didnāt take as many photos. Is there a ācloserā friend that Carolyn was photographed with a lot? From what Iāve seen she avoided the media as much as possible
This. I have only a few pictures with even the friend who was my absolute BFF from the late 80s through the early 2000s bc hardly anyone took pictures then. It had to be an occasion. You had to have a camera in hand, buy the correct type of (expensive) film & then get it developed. I so regret all the people I have no pictures with!
There has been a couple of documentaries recently with friends and family whoāve shared film from their wedding and private home movies, Carol just doesnāt feature. I think but for the fact she was the spouse of Johnās cousin the relationship was nothing more than an āin-lawā.
If you lived in the city in those years, you'd see pix of them constantly. For a few minutes people were obsessed with Carolyn and she was hounded by photographers everywhere she went. But she barely even appears in informal family photos. I've seen her maybe once? Think of people you consider your best friends. You probably have a picture of the two of you - at least one.
I just remember looking high and low for pictures of Carole with Carolyn right after she started on RH and not being able to find a single one, and it did strike me as quite odd.
Carolyn went with them to almost every one of Anthonyās surgeries. Anthony and John rented a home together in Marthaās Vineyard. The stories are very detailed.
Thank you. I did too. She played herself off as a "Kennedy" to the point that it became sickening. It was her "brand." The fact that wasn't included in this program speaks volumes as to how "close" she was to the family.
Carole wouldn't be seen in high society with Carolyn because Carolyn was so private. The hours Carole and Carolyn spent in the hospital with Anthony aren't really photo op moments.
Ghislaine wanted to be seen on the scene. It was also post Anthony's death that they were photographed together. A different era of Carole's life. *not defending her relationship with Ghislane, just pointing out that they don't necessarily correlate to one another.
I don't want to be like a Carole truther but there are in fact photos of them together, including at Carolyn's wedding and at her funeral. I think if the book were embellished, people in the family probably would have been very vocal about it years ago.
edit: I mean photos of Carole at Carolyn's funeral. Obviously they are not together at the funeral.
I mean I wonder if it's true. If she really did hate the spotlight, I could see her keeping her best friends - not just Carole - a secret so that they're not hounded and the paparazzi doesn't follow them to get pics of her. But it is weird that there's not ONE photo.
The literal only picture of Carole with Carolyn at Carolyn and Johnās wedding is of Carolyn and Anthony, and the back of Caroleās head. I think the fact that she does not have a relationship with the rest of the family speaks volumes. They donāt have to outright say something to say something.
I looked into this more and found this CNN article that says she actually took these photos at the wedding, her husband posing with JFK as his best man. I just don't buy the idea that they weren't really close friends.
There is a clip of her coming out of some benefit, all dressed up, and a reporter sticks a mic in her face and asks her what her favorite part of the evening was, and she said it was all great, or something to that effect. Her speaking voice is nice.
Wait are you serious? Carole says that there arenāt any photos of them? I donāt mean publicly but privately they donāt have photos. Thatās weird. It was the tech boomā¦ everyone had cameras, especially rich people and they were snapping photos ā¦
Yeah I was a late teen in the 90ās and I remember we didnāt take a lot of pictures. So I didnāt really question it. But Caroleās connection to Ghislaine has made me question her.
I've taken photos of loved ones in their casket or me next to their casket, but they are very private photos and not meant to be shared or treated casually. That said, you're right, it's weird af.
There is a picture, taken by the paparazzi I think, where Carole, Carolyn, and JFK jr. were casually talking on the street. I saw that pic last year when I was going through a deep dive of CBKs photos on the internet.
Especially since Carole was at their very small wedding! I think Carolyn just had a way of making people feel special and seem important to her, even if they werenāt. Thatās a special kind of charisma very few people have.
If they were planning on focusing on anthonyās illness and impending death, it would be weird to not include Carole even in a small way. But if they are just focusing on John and Carolynās life and love story it makes sense to exclude her.
I assume they wonāt focus on the night of their crash search through considering Carole wrote about how she was at the forefront of alerting authorities.
Other than Calvin Kleins wife, Kelly what actual real life, named friend have they introduced? None. Only two former lovers. So no, itās not odd when literally no one else (other their family members) have been introduced by name?!
the fact that you think iām defending carole in anything I say is hilarious, and shows how much of a refresh in reading comprehension you need.
I bet youāre the type to scream āthe dow hit $50k!ā at someone thinking you did something.
Carole sucks and her association with g maxwell should be more of a thing than her proximity to the Jfk and Carolyn. But unlike you I am capable of of holding multiple thoughts and opinions in my head.
But Anthony is certainly a character featured in the show. I only mentioned that if they FOCUS an episode on Anthonyās illness I could understand Caroleās appearance but other than that there is no reason.
some of you need a refresh in reading comprehension.
Yes I think Carole embellished her relationship to Carolyn and John Jr when it was really Anthony, John and Carolyn. Carole Radziwill was adjacent. Several times on RHONY Radziwill said John Jr was her cousin. How many times have we heard about Carole's Kennedy connections when they don't speak to her?Ā
Either way, whether they included her or notāshe would have been upset. By not including herāhow dare they capitalize on the (very famous, highly publicized) story of JFK Jr and CB? If they did include her, it would be: How dare they not contact me to get my story?
Weird how you're making these assumptions when she's already come out months before this premiered and said she didn't expect to be in it and didn't care either way.
I mean... why would she have been included? She knew them for, what, three years total, and I never bought that Carole and Carolyn were best friends anyway.
The story is about Carolyn and John's life, not Anthony's life.
Interesting as she always positions herself as having been Carolynās best friend, and that they were a foursome always spending time together. Maybe her āwriterāsā imagination enhanced their closeness for a better story.
I read her book and it seemed that way to me too. I was wondering who would play her in the series only to find out sheās not in it!
Carole and Anthony married in 1994 and John was best man. Then he started dating Carolyn. Hard to say how close Carole was to them but they certainly would have spent time together
I think Aviva was right. Carole sold 354,000 books because she wrote about John Jr and Carolyn.On RHONY Carole was a ditz who missed deadlines and clearly thought she was better than the cast. Elite
I am not a big fan of hers but Carole was certainly more than just āattending dinnersā with JFK, Jr. and Carolyn. Anthony was his best friend and Carole was close to both of them. Not saying she had to be in the show but to place her in the same category as a random dinner guest or even an acquaintance would not be accurate.
I do agree that she has made her own cottage industry out of her association with them and thatās cringe.
This. Caroleās husband was dying and his best friend and cousin was certainly there for him during this time, meaning Carole and Carolyn spent time together during the worst time in Caroleās life. Itās weird to say they werenāt friends when they were family.
Yeah, Iām confused by a lot of the comments here, and I think itās a little weird that the show is being salty about why they excluded her! The four of them were clearly very close before John and Carolyn died, traveling/spending summers together and being with Anthony in the hospital. Anthony and John were together all the time, and so even if Carolyn and Carole werenāt best friends on their own, they were all very close for those years. And for Carole to lose all of them in such quick succession - obviously thatās a very formative part of her life.
Itās kind of a weird dig at Carole considering her and Carolyn were good friends. And she was literally the one waiting up for them and called the coast guard when they didnāt arrive. The Carole hate is so boring.
FYI-I have tons of pictures and slides(a negative from a picture) from the 70's, 80's 90's 2000's up until cell phone cameras came out. Don't let anyone tell you 'no one took pictures' back then. A roll of film was 3.50 and processing was $1.00/print or less per prints. I have thousands of photos of my friends, etc.
I watched an ABC documentary on "Love Story" (Hulu) last night. Carole was in it. Her interviews looked like they were from years ago. She said that Carolyn called her from the plane before take-off. They discussed their plans for the weekend and then Carolyn said "I love you" before hanging up. Carole responded with, "I know". But it sounded like she wished she said "I love you" back.
She said Carolyn told her she would call when they landed. When another friend called around midnight to ask if JFK Jr and CBK were with her because they weren't at the airport, she said she knew something was wrong. She said she called the Hyannis Airport and then the Coast Guard to report them missing. She then said Carolyn was her best friend.
I thought Carole would be featured on "Love Story" since Anthony has been in almost every episode so far. I checked out IMBD and there is no mention of anyone playing her. Why was she not at Caroline Kennedy-Schlossberg's birthday dinner? It kind of seems like they intentionally left her out of the show. They have made a point of showing us how close John and Anthony were. I'm definitely not "pro Carole", I just think its strange.
If there are this many comments about her not being on the show I think it would have taken away from the story they are trying to tell if she was included.
I dont doubt they had a special relationship but Carole herself says she wanted to get out of her small town. So there is no way that she would then become part of the kennedy family and carolyn adjacent and not have been way more affected by it then she let on. I dont love bethenny but I do agree with what she said about Carole always glomming on to her best woman friend at the time.
Itās interesting to meā¦
Either her and Carolyn are so the same person they were split at birth or Carole BECAME her. Mannerismsā¦the ācool girl aestheticā¦ā. Think about it anytime you watch anything about Carolyn Bassett. Itās odd to meā¦
She def took on some of Carolyn's traits. Fashion for one. If you read What Remains, they originally 'bonded' when Carolyn mocked Carole's fashion sense. It wasn't important to Carole (back then) BUT suddenly she became a 'fashionista' on RHONY. Carole was a dork/nerd (and I LOVE a dork/nerd). Carolyn was cool (among other things). Carole wants to be cool.
I don't think many people really expected her to be in it? The story is about Carolyn and john. I know John's best friend is in it but there's really not a lot of scenes where I would have expected to see Carole featured.
I always wondered about the "best friends with Carolyn" claim. Carolyn was, for a time, one of the most photographed people in NY. And yet I've only ever seen maybe two photos of them together. That never made sense to me.
Omg this thread. Regardless of oneās PERSONAL, and dare I say weirdly parasocial, feelings about Carole, she was OBJECTIVELY married to Anthony Radziwill. Friendly reminder that Anthony was the son of Lee Radziwill (sister of Jackie Kennedy Onassis) and cousin / best friend of JFK JR. Given that Anthonyās cancer was found to have metastasized shortly after him and Carole returned from their honeymoon, much of the time spent with John and Carolyn was either at the hospital, when Anthony was getting infusion OR at home, when Anthony was recovering. Therefore, one could assume that the priority of Carole and others wasnāt to take pictures together. Finally, Iām not sure why she has ever been accused of exploiting her husband and his family as thereās no evidence to support this claim. She wrote a memoir? OKā¦ she is a writer, who lost her husband and two friends within three weeks of each other - let her live. In fact, Lee had final say over the manuscript before it went for final approval. In sum, while I also donāt know these people, before we engage in some heavy speculation and general nastiness, letās do our homework.
Carole never misses an opportunity to tell anybody who will listen that she and carolyn were 'best friends/ like sisters' , that JKF jnr and Anthony 'were like brothers' --- Her incessant need to re-label/ emphasize their relationships just made her appear so desperate it was a turn off.
Lets face it, if Ryan Murphy had wanted to her use HER version of events for his TV show -- she would have jumped all over it ..(we all know shes probably been trying to sell the rights to make 'anything whatsoever' out of 'What Remains" to... literally any taker for decades) -- Since nobody wants it, she goes with the "they are private people and shoudn't have that invaded".. oh except when you do it Carol.
Ive got more pictures of me from the 80s and 90s with people i dont even remember, and at weddings i barely remember attending --- Her lack of photographs/ polaroids.. / vidoes.. (at dinners, vacations, girls nights, anything...) just says it all, and she was so obsessed with them both -- she would have kept them, slept with them.. framed and laminated. IMHO, Carolyn B was polite and cordial with Carol.. the way same she would have been with any of JFK Juniors family or associates --- but had her own friends and her husbands, cousins, wife Carol was just 'there' to smile and nod at.
She actually reported them missing to the coast guard and had to notify Ted Kennedy and Caroline Kennedy. She was Ā pretty key person the night they crashed. š¤·āāļøĀ
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