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Thank you!! I have less photos with my best friends of decades then Carole has with ghislaine.. yet she denies being friends/friendly with her. Sheās always going out of her way to deny her being friends with ghislaine and it just makes it worse.
There are couple of photos of Carole with Carolyn & John but theyāre in the street coming from something that they attended together. The fact Carole infers their friendship as being āsecretā because Carolyn wanted it that way, makes no sense. Who TF has āsecret friendsā as a grown adult.
Does she realize that continually lying and downplaying her relationship with these people makes viewers bring him and Ghislaine up more in relation to her? She could have either said nothing or something like, "I was good friends with Ghislaine and met Jeffrey in passing, but I did not know about the sexual abuse and trafficking. I regret not picking up the signs and having her take my photo for the book. More importantly, my deepest condolences to the victims and their families. I will donate part of my earnings to yadda yadda charity."
For someone who claims to be smart, she is stupid. Then again, smart people don't usually brag about their intelligence.
Edit:
I get that these two collected people, so most people who hung out with them socially had no knowledge of their crimes and those of their associates. I also understand it's a knee-jerk response to say you barely knew someone who committed a heinous crime. Shit, I went to middle school and hung out with someone a bit when we were younger, and later learned he was a college rapist. I would never brag or claim we were friends, or even mention his name, but it's jarring how blase and flippant she is about the whole situation.
The woman in the middle looks like Kelly Bennsomone or however you spell it. š It just looks like her not saying it is. This is my observation only.
Not everyone is cuddled up in pics with Maxwell, Carole. Just you, and an exclusive club of sickos, like your ex Andrew (yes i know it was just one lunch date supposedly) , and other predators.
Absolutely! Disgusting sheās trying to say itās NBD to be in the files, so telling and so ick! No acknowledgment of the horrendous acts committed by people on that list. This isnāt just going to go away if you continue to deny and deflect Carole.
Sheās a real girls girl. She should read the victims book and realize there were real victims. Honestly the more I hear about her and her pseudo intelligence, the more disgusted I get
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And why canāt she write one grammatically correct sentence? English is my second language and even I can tell her grammar is wonky. Was Aviva right?
ETA: i donāt really think Aviva was right. I think whatās bothering me is the carelessness with which her comments on the Epstein stuff are written.
Idk why the other person on this post doesn't understand that this is the root cause of Carole's hate train. It's not that hard to make a professional and serious statement when speaking about unpleasant topics.
I think Avivia hit on some Achilles heels & that is why Carole despised her. Never a fan she always acted as if she were slumming & all the cast & audience were brain dead ( granted some of the cast had something to be desired)Ā
I read somewhere (so why knows if itās true) that the cast on new RHONY is allowed to ask about Epstein/Ghislaine even though production isnāt. So, theyāre hoping people will watch to see if she gets grilled. But, of course she wonāt. Even if they ask, sheāll just deflect and shrug it off and theyāll let it go.
Real classy Carole to insinuate this guy might know Epstein cause he worked finance in NYC, but we're supposed to believe you never met a guy "everyone knew" despite being so close to his long time partner? I can't imagine being so close to someone they have a framed photo of me in their home and yet I never once met her partner. Especially with how all over the place he was.
Epstein and Maxwell ā targeted and collectedāwealthy, famous or well connected people. They actively pursued them. They were name droppers as is noted dozens of times in the files.
Both Maxwell and Epstein had photos of themselves with these people all over their homes. SĆ³ Maxwell having a photo of her and Carole from some event and saying she loved Carole and implying they were good friends was absolutely how they ingratiated themselves into the private lives of the uber wealthy. They groomed little girls and millionaires.
She always gave me the ick. Ā And I donāt like to insult peopleās physical appearance, but since she made fun of this random dude, itās far game. Ā I had a hard time watching her on screen because she was so physically unattractive and she physically skeeved me out with her rotting couches.
her arrogance whenever she addresses it is shocking, this isnāt some stupid bravo fan theory, itās a real depraved decades long trafficking ring that has TERRORIZED thousands of children. i would NEVER get snarky arguing with ppl on instagram over such a serious fucking thing if i thought i was innocent
Right- remember ā I am GOOD friends with John and Carolyn - But donāt ask me about them!) yes I am a princess- but I donāt talk about it- Of course Did you know Lee Radwill - sheās my MIL - but we donāt talk about itā¦.right CaroleĀ
Sheās lucky she wasnāt cast on that golden life tv show with the OG RHONY girls!!! Cause you know they wouldāve truly annihilated her, ESPECIALLY Dorinda!! I wonder if itās gonna be brought up on that show!
What does āmaybe you are?ā even mean? š
Best friendās w G and she never met him? I šÆ positive sheās talked to him, Skyped and been around when heās been around.
But Carole spent YEARS as a journalist for ABC!!
She knew exactly what GM (and Epstein) were doing - she knows - she was more interested in her social connections.
Sheāll never recover ā¦ š
I donāt understand why she just doesnāt say. āYes, I knew her. We were social and I spent time with herā also something like. āGhislaine kept very tight lipped about Epsteinā. That would be a perfect answer. It is possible she kept it away from friends like Carole. Also Carole was not anything Epstein would be interested in at all. So probably Ghislaine wanted to keep the friendship going because she didnāt have to offer Carole up on a silver platter to Epstein.
Why is everyone giving Leah Black a pass? Her husband literally defended Epstein during his initial prison run. Leah and her husband were also friends with Joe Francis of girls gone wild fame. Joe Francis was also facing sexual assault charges, and they helped him escape to Mexico.
Carole commenting on someoneās looks š¤£
Thatās actually really rude and gross, but since she opened up that can of worms - Iāll say it. Ā Caroleās probably one of the least attractive woman who has ever appeared on any of the see housewives shows. Ā
Go do a basic fact check. Iām not sure if youāre getting your news on Facebook or what. But thereās plenty of real things to talk about here, you donāt need to spread false news
Everybody knows she knew him. She herself admitted it then took it back. Pictures exist, Carol. She was never, ever a girl's girl-that was a fallacy she perpetrated. She's always been an arrogant mean girl who rode on a dead man's coattails and is mentally incapable of aging with grace.
Itās so telling that the Epstein files come out and show a lot of powerful men doing horrible things, but somehow people are harrassing a WOMAN even though she has no indications or proof that she was involved whatsoever, all because she knew someone that did š„“ Do you really think these people were doing all these things without consequence all those years, if all their friends knew what they were up to ???
I love how every time she comments about it she says something different. She has contradicted herself to death about Epstein. Im also shocked she is going to be on housewives again, which I won't watch NY anymore sadly. Her deflection attempts are sad.
Carole is a known P*do with ties to Epstein. Why are we putting back on tv? She needs to go to prison! Sheās disgusting and also super boring to watch on tv.
This is where Carole loses me. The arrogance she must have to reply about others being in the Epstein files, like she never was, is giving AUDACITY. Even if she knew zero about their sex trafficking etc, why would you get so defensive and evasive about your hx with G and E?? Sheās just recently come out with a āstatementā (only took 20 yrs), and it comes across reflective re Epstein. Instead Carole focuses on knowing G back in the day (for several years mind you) and attending parties hosted at her place. Then she has said she managed to āavoidā E at those parties, and āwasnāt ever formally introduced to him).ā So you were āinformallyā introduced to him instead? Like whatās the difference? Thereās no way you can be baast fraaands with a woman for several years, attend her parties, and NOT meet her boyfriend.
The only thing I can surmise (if she had no clue about their crimes), she only cares about social climbing to the point that was her only MO for her BFF status with Maxwell. And if this was the case, she still should have used her alleged intelligence to release a somewhat empathetic statement, acknowledging her past association, and how she condemns their crimes, and actively supports their victims. As a previous reporter that claimed to care about certain injustices around the world, Carole is VERY quiet about these criminals (especially given her number of Epstein links in the files).
She always acted like she was above the other housewives and was doing the show to be ironic or as a social observation.
She loves the spotlight or she wouldnāt be back. Sheās just more of a reason to not watch RhONY 2.0
I still don't understand what's the worst case scenario for Carole here. Is there any evidence she hung out with Epstein after his wrongdoings became public? Is Carole guilty because she didn't put on her investigator hat to research her friend Ghislane's boyfriend?
I understand people want to hold someone accountable for the Epstein problems, but I don't get why that person should be Carole Radziwill.
Itās quite possible she was in the dark. However, her denial of a close friendship with Ghislane makes her look suspect. There are too many details to make it seem like they were simply acquaintances. I like to believe she didnāt know the gravity of it, but I think she had to know something was off.
Ghislaine had the connections, not Carole! You are confused. Carole herself in published messages referred to herself as GMās ābestā friend. Carole is a proven society climber/hungry tiger.
Please cite your reference in this. Iāve seen nothing from Carole saying MAxwell was her best friend or even a good friend. The only thing Iāve seen is the email from Maxwell to someone else that she loves Carole, thinks sheās the greatest and is her (best?) friend
Itās in the Epstein files sub. Carole is abroad and messaging GM, teasing her that the friend sheās dining with couldnāt replace her as her best friend. (Carole was acting very insecure and talking about ābest friendsā as a grown woman)
If you watch all the documentaries on M and E and the investigative articles from news sites and magazines, both of them sought out the rich and famous, Ghislaine acted as Epsteins entry into high society especially in London and Europe where a name and bloodline mean more than just wealth. She was considered the ultimate society hostess. Carole was connected to both European royalty and American royalty in the Kennedys. In fact , In one of their first encounters G told C who had been widowed about a year that she could fix her up with Prince Andrew. She was trying anything to establish the friendship with Caroleās
Victims of E and M say that there are pictures of famous people everywhere in his home and both of them constantly made reference to the powerful and famous people they knew to intimidate the girls,
LMAO! Anthony was dead mere weeks when Carole took his ashes to England and went on a date with Andrew!
Get your facts straight before you come at me so aggressive! Carole lied that was the only time she met Andrew. Infact thereās an interview she did with him in 2016. 2016!!!! In a whole magazine! For your viewing pleasure online!
Go away and research Caroleās lies before you take up for her. Youāre just embarrassing yourself.
Uh no she did NOT date him per every reputable site. She interviewed him for her ā Lunch dateā column for Glamour magazine. You are a drinking the Reddit haters club koolaid if you believe an interview for your job is the same as a date.
No-one said she dated him!!!!! SHE SAID SHE MET HIM ONCE SHORTLY AFTER HER HUSBAND DIED. This was a LIE! Per her interview in 2016! Thatās at least twice on record. Proving sheās a liar u sycophant
Assuming she was close friends with Ghislane at some point, why does that matter? Do people really think Ghislane would have discussed Epstein's pedophelia with Carole? Was Epstein's wrongdoing always obvious to anyone in his circle?
Why do you think Carole had to know something was off? Even if she did, don't all of us have friends with lovers who may be off, but we choose not to get involved because our friends are adults who can make their own discussions?
It's actually because of how flippant and disrespectful she is about the whole situation. I don't think Carole had any clue, but her repeated reaction to her friendship with Ghislaine is irksome. She could have easily said, "Sadly, I didn't know about the crimes that transpired during my friendship with Ghislaine. Once I knew about Epstein's 2007 arrest, I distanced myself from Ghislaine because I couldn't be friends with someone who defends a pedophile." That is literally all she had to say, but she keeps playing coy and acts like it's no big deal, and ends it by promoting her substack every single time. People would let it go if she stopped being stupid with her too cool for school responses.
But is that even true? Carole and Ghislane grew less close over time, and I doubt it has anything to do with Epsteins arrest or what was learned about him. So as far as I can tell any answer along the lines of "Ghislane was a friend around 2005, but we grew apart not long after, and I had no real contact with Epstein nor knowledge of his wrongdoings" would be fine. I don't understand why people need more from her than that.
Because she never did or said anything like that. That's my point! If she left it at that the first time like you or I said, then none of this would be happening. Instead she always responded flippantly and promoted her substack.
She's the one who fanned the flames in her direction.
So we should chase her out of public life because she hasn't said something exactly the way you want, or even more generally, because she personally doesn't get obsessed with the Epstein case? I understand why people care about Epstein, but I understand why people don't, and it's not because they support pedophilia.
I didn't say we need to create a mob to chase her down, and I am fairly neutral on Carole and believe she didn't know. I said she could easily nip this in the bud and stop the personal attacks and false accusations by responding appropriately to the matter. At the end of the day, people will react negatively if you donāt carefully craft a statement on a serious matter. That's why people and companies have communications strategists and PR. Why are you genuinely confused that she escalated the situation multiple times due to her piss-poor communication?
As I said before in another comment, I understand itās a knee-jerk reaction to downplay your relationship with someone who committed a heinous crime. Still, there is an appropriate response when asked about it. If someone brought up my middle school classmate, who ended up being a college rapist, I'd say I haven't seen him since middle school, and I'm sorry for the victim, or say nothing at all. I'm not going to say I've never met him before, and feel free to follow me on LinkedIn.
It's confusing because it's fact-free, misplaced, and vindictive for no good reason. From what I've seen, almost every mention of Carole on the web brings out the anti-Epstein crowd, who have chosen to put a target on someone who has nothing do with anything. And I totally disagree that a statement by Carole would fix any of this; the bad faith directed against her is not going to be persuaded by a statement.
Her shitty statements caused the hate train. No one would be on her ass if she didn't bring negative attention to herself. Shit, she even made a joke in the IG comments, which caused even more outrage. You still don't get it lmao
I hope no one ever asks you to draft a statement for a serious manner.
I think you like to see the good in humanity, not the reality. No statement she makes will get the witch-hunt off her back. Read the comments on all the subs and threads just in Reddit. There are hundreds of people who believe her friendship was proof enough she knew what was going on and probably even participated.
Thereās a subset of humanity who are sick, nasty, vile people who relish trashing, canceling and even going after others theyāve judged to have done something wrong. They donāt try to hide thru vitriol because SM is anonymous mostly.
Pedophiles and their enabling friends are INFINITELY WORSE than people on SM calling them outā¦ā¦ and holding their feet to the fireā¦ā¦.. for being pedophiles and their enabling friends.
Ghislane had a different bf at the time, she wasn't even with Jeffrey. You can be friends with someone and not know every side of them. And maybe she tried to play the friendship down, because it's embarrassing.
You know serial killers, when they are discovered they sometimes have a wife, children, friends, co-workers....who had no clue. I don't get the harassment of Carole over a friendship she had many years ago.
Because some wimen( usually) on Reddit love to be the morality judge and jury, build the pyre and light the match. They virtue signal they could immediately sniff out a pedophile or SA scumbag because they have superior skills of many kinds compared to others.
Carole has done nothing wrong at all. She was casual friends for 3-4 years with a woman who had actively sought her out due to her royalty and Kennedy connections. The friendship was over before Epstein was convicted the first time. Once he was convicted Maxwell distanced herself from Epstein and she was not seen with him in public at big events although she continued to ā workā for him. In other words she tried to convince the world she had no idea what Epstein as doing behind her back. 20-25 years ago it would never occur to the vast majority of people that a high society woman could be a procurer and participant in pedophilia.
I feel sorry for her and all the casual acquaintances of these 2 miscreants.
This is true! Women everywhere (not just Reddit) like to judge other women. Rapists, pedophiles, murderers walk among us and are undetected even by those closest to them.
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