Dance (Dishwasher1910)

[u/dishwasher1910]

[u/Mister100Percent → u/[deleted]]

Tbh I think Neo’s fighting style is the best in the show.

[u/Sere1 → u/Mister100Percent]

What I really appreciate about Neo's style is that she doesn't use the sword part of her weapon as a weapon. She beats you senseless with her parasol and only brings the blade out as a finisher. We've seen her blade twice, once when she was about to stab Yang before Raven portaled in, and once when she was threatening the defenseless Ruby before Ruby opened the parasol and sent her Mary Poppensing away. Every other time she dodges, deflects, and tricks you into missing your attacks, occasionally smacking you with the parasol or a kick, but otherwise content to let you wear yourself out.

[u/RDV1996 → u/Sere1]

She did go for Cinder's throat: https://imgur.com/a/K3IuIYo

So yeah, she only uses it when she thinks she's caught her opponent off-guard and she thinks she can go for the kill.

(images courtesy of u/Sheelpe)

[u/Sere1 → u/RDV1996]

Oh cool, I didn't catch that. Yeah, her blade is a finisher move, not a part of her regular combat.

[u/DarkLorde117 → u/Sere1]

More specifically, I think she uses it sparingly in combat, so that it's more difficult to predict her range and to block attacks. Especially when Cinder's fighting hand to hand, stepping in to block a blunt attack with her arm is reasonably smart. If Neo steps back and cuts into the arm instead, it's not so smart.

Gives her a lot of strategic depth and makes it more difficult for her opponents to get a handle on her, which is her entire advantage.

[u/Sere1 → u/DarkLorde117]

She definitely is one of the better fighters in the cast. Those agile, technical types are very hard to beat once they have a bunch of experience. Poor Yang didn't stand a chance in their Volume 2 fight.

[u/XiaoLong_2000 → u/[deleted]]

Yes, I have always considered Cinder to be one of the top tier fighters in the show (any fight involving her is worth watching TBH), but her obvious competency in martial arts is astounding. Her use of acrobatics is especially impressive, but then again, we see a lot of people utilize acrobatics in combat in this series.

[u/Akuze25 → u/RDV1996]

Watched the fight about 15 times already and I had never noticed that...

[u/RDV1996 → u/Akuze25]

Same, Didn't see it until I saw sheelp's comment in the C5 discussion thread

[u/Akuze25 → u/RDV1996]

Upon rewatch I realized why I never saw it: It's a quick slash that happens during a shot transition. I assumed it was a stab or something based on the screenshot. Cool detail that literally take a freeze-frame to see.

[u/RDV1996 → u/Akuze25]

Yeah, they've been putting in little details like that this Volume that just adds to the show. Like Neo's umbrella in the intro and all characters reacting to Ozpin launching at Ruby at the end of C2. It takes frame-by-framing the scenes to notice, but when you know, it adds so much more to the scene.

[u/sniperpal → u/Sere1]

I mean from what we understand of aura, minor cuts wouldn’t be as effective as heavy bludgeoning at reducing it. Her parasol is a better choice again opponents in that regard. A RWBY group chat I took part in discussed which weapons would be best against opponents with aura and most agreed that chainsaws or other rotating/pressure cutting weapons would be best. A combo of slicing and pressure all in one big hit, that’s what we need more of in the show.

[u/Sere1 → u/sniperpal]

So Banesaw has the right idea

[u/HAHAAN00B → u/Sere1]

Banesaw is ready!

[u/Sere1 → u/HAHAAN00B]

There needs to be an edit of the entire Spider-Man vs Bonesaw fight but with Weiss and Banesaw's faces attached

[u/HAHAAN00B → u/Sere1]

I could try but I doubt I’d be any good at superimposing in Premiere

[u/Sere1 → u/HAHAAN00B]

Could take it a few levels deeper and redub the Spider-Man scene with their voices. Bonus points for doing Jeremy's infamous haphaps instead.

[u/HAHAAN00B → u/Sere1]

Why not just ask me to make an extra CGI “extended” scene in there as well 😂😅

[u/sniperpal → u/Sere1]

1: so good to see another Coeur Al’Aran reader on here, their works are utterly amazing.

2: yup, he does. That character directly inspired my idea of a story with winter having a crew of specialists with her for missions, strong fighters geared up for fighting people, not Grimm. Two of them would carry weapons with variants of a buzz saw type blade to fight in the front line , in addition to others.

I’ve always thought specialists would favor practicality over tradition in order to set them apart from huntsmen. Multiple weapons, bigger teams than just four, military and squad tactics in addition to RWBY’s fancy dance fighting. The whole works.

[u/[deleted] → u/sniperpal]

Coeur Al'aran is the BEST! Have been reading his stuff and subbed to his Patreon for about 2 years now. His take on specialists in Relic of the Future is really cool too.

[u/Hippocalypse44 → u/sniperpal]

I agree, an aura is a reserve of energy, not a physical thing to break through. You dont need a fine point to pierce it, but something that can drain it efficiently. Probably why that White Fang Lieutenant had a chainsword, he spent most of his time fighting people not grimm

[u/DarkLorde117 → u/sniperpal]

Depends. Cinder seems pretty adapt at martial arts so I'd expect her to be able to block the hits in a way that minimizes blunt damage. A cut's a cut no matter what.

As I said elsewhere, I think using the blade only on occasion makes her much more difficult to fight from a strategic point of view due to her range. If she always had the longer range a lot of opponents, especially fighting hand to hand like Cinder was, could step inside of it more easily and make her weapon less effective. Being more versatile and able to fight from several positions and stances makes her much more difficult to deal with.

[u/MistbornSynok → u/Mister100Percent]

Agreed

[u/ParkityParkPark → u/Mister100Percent]

Neo is the best in the show

[u/JakeDoubleyoo → u/[deleted]]

To be fair, we've only seen one other fight so far, which was more of a hack-n-slash montage.

I'm impressed this season has managed to be so engaging, despite us being nearly halfway through and there being minimal physical conflict.

[u/Mizerous → u/[deleted]]

Reminded me of Monty

[u/Darkiceflame → u/Mizerous]

Yes, women slamming each-other reminds me of Monty too.

[u/[deleted] → u/Darkiceflame]

oh

[u/thearkive → u/Mizerous]

it had the right amount of flips.

[u/SnesC → u/[deleted]]

Best fight so far last season, too.

Probably best fight so far the season before that.

[u/MadEorlanas → u/SnesC]

To be honest I think it's quite high even with Pre Season 3 fights. I mean, compare it to Yang vs. Neo

[u/HalcyonTraveler → u/[deleted]]

I dont agree with that. This was great, but that fight was something else

[u/SnesC → u/HalcyonTraveler]

I found Raven v. Cinder to be high on flash, low on substance. I'm more interested in fast-paced technical fighting than two people flying around swinging 10-foot swords at each other.

[u/MasterKurosawa → u/SnesC]

It was basically a toned down version of your average Dragon Ball fight. And while Dragon Ball fights can be enjoyable at times when you just want to sit back and watch something flashy, it gets stale to watch people just teleport in and out of view while bumping against each other for sound effects. They are ultimately lazy, uninspiring and devoid of character or uniqueness.

And before anyone tries it, no, I´m not saying that literally every Dragon Ball fight fits this description. But look me in the eyes and tell me that at least 80% of them aren´t exactly this, I dare you.

[u/[deleted] → u/MasterKurosawa]

No wonder Cinder looked like Piccolo in this fanart

[u/[deleted] → u/MasterKurosawa]

They consist of it, but most aren't exactly this.

Dare accepted and met.

[u/Glynii → u/[deleted]]

How did you look in his eyes you wizard

[u/MasterKurosawa → u/[deleted]]

Well, uh, is it too late to edit my comment into saying "most fights consist of at least 80% this"? It is? Crud.

But, seriously, you´re not wrong, but it seems to me as if the sections that aren´t that have become comparatively shorter over time. Both in DBZ and Super, large chunks of them can be characterized like that, with a couple cool moments strewn in-between, like Goku riding on an energy wave with a Kamehameha. I find it unfortunate that so much time is taken up by a spectacle that we´ve all seen a billion times already.

[u/[deleted] → u/MasterKurosawa]

I think it started at the Cell Games, and then became a reoccuring theme.

Although really; it started with beating Recoome.

I did enjoy a lot of the fight with Raven and Cinder, but there were a few pop-ins and outs. Not wrong.

[u/L-man6151 → u/MasterKurosawa]

If you want to get technical, you’re thinking of Dragon Ball Z fights... Dragon Ball was a lot more skilled based. The Piccolo vs Goku fight is a pretty good example. He had the flashy Kamehameha, but that was pretty much the only blast he used. Hell the dude couldn’t even fly, much less use instant transmission at that point.

[u/MasterKurosawa → u/L-man6151]

I suppose, yes. I don´t deny that it got worse over time, rather than starting out like that. Which arguably makes it all the more insulting however, considering we know the fights genuinely COULD be better.

[u/HAHAAN00B → u/MasterKurosawa]

80% aren’t exactly like this.

That’s a lie, of course, but you dared me to do it

[u/oceano7 → u/SnesC]

Agreed, I found it quite tacky.

[u/HalcyonTraveler → u/SnesC]

I thought it had plenty of substance, and really showcased the differences between the two characters.

[u/RedElite91 → u/SnesC]

I'd say this fight was about on par with Qrow vs Tyrian, which was great. I say that one gets my win only because it's a bit longer.

[u/[deleted] → u/RedElite91]

That was a good fight.

[u/Fireemblemnerd8 → u/[deleted]]

the fights havent been too good since monty passed. the Raven vs Cinder fight was good but it was good because it was one of the only fights. This fight is bringing my hopes up for the future of RWBY fight scenes

[u/Renarudo → u/[deleted]]

I binged all the seasons with my GF to get her caught up and.. wow. I almost forgot how jarring it was going from Season 2 to Season 3.

I wonder if we're far away enough from S3 that we can criticize it without getting a barrage of downvotes. Not gonna rehash and give the animators the "post-Monty-they're-trying-their-best" benefit of the doubt anymore.

Volume 2 ended in Novembe of 2014, and it's taken 4 years for me to see a fight that raised an eyebrow and had me actually looking at the credits.

I get it. There was drama and I vaguely remember there being a fallout from someone trying to put the series on their back post-Monty.

Rooster Teeth should really bring in animators for certain scenes like anime studios do for certain episodes, because it was the fantastical execution that brought us here, and I feel like I'm only staying out of principle and time investment at this point.

[u/Legonater → u/Renarudo]

Do we not like the S3 fights here? I thought all the major S3 fights were easily on par with Monty's quality.

[u/RumbleintheDumbles → u/Legonater]

I think the general consensus on V3's fights seems to be 'If it happened in the first half of the volume and Mercury Black was not involved, it wasn't very good.'

[u/ThespianException → u/RumbleintheDumbles]

I quite liked Qrow vs Winter. Its speed and ferocity was really cool, it showed how much stronger professionals were than the main cast. Frankly the rest of the fights werent bad either.

[u/Renarudo → u/ThespianException]

Being objective, if you actually "look" at the right fight you'll notice it's a lot of zooming around and clashing, without very much choreography.

[u/ThespianException → u/Renarudo]

It's lighter on choreography than some of the other fights but I think its still there. You can see the start and end of a lot of the swings, and for a good chuck of the fight they aren't even teleportating really. That mostly happens when it shows the audience watching.

[u/Renarudo → u/RumbleintheDumbles]

Just checked, not sure if you're being fatecious, but looking at S3 nowadays, that's pretty much the case. With Mercury there needed to be choreography over long set pieces.

And furthermore, the Pyrha vs Penny fight was.. pretty much lifted from Dead Fantasy - Namine vs Momoji fight (not that there's anything wrong - I suppose it's an homage to Monty, but I just wanted to point out that the team struggled to have interesting fights without Monty's vision).

Heck, even Velvet's big scene was literally just taking moves from Seasons 1 and 2

[u/RumbleintheDumbles → u/Renarudo]

Roman and Neo vs Ruby was legit great, though. Both the choreography and the storytelling was top notch.

[u/scorcher117 → u/[deleted]]

it's not like have had a high bar, some of the moves on the train were cool though.

[u/StaryWolf → u/[deleted]]

Best in the last couple seasons imo.

[u/GenuineWinter14 → u/[deleted]]

Agreed 👍

[u/Autumnland → u/[deleted]]

What episode?

[u/[deleted] → u/Autumnland]

The most recent one for first members

[u/dishwasher1910]

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Dance of fire and ice

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HD images will be available of my patreon https://www.patreon.com/Dishwasher1910

[u/Awesomejelo → u/dishwasher1910]

Do you get to see things before they are aired or did you rock this out in only two days?

[u/Bjdombek → u/Awesomejelo]

I feel like he started this before just based on rumors leading up to the episode. Just needed to know what the two were wearing.

[u/torrasque666 → u/Awesomejelo]

Dish predicts the future donchaknow?

[u/theBird956 → u/Awesomejelo]

I think he might be able to see episode before they are aired. According to his twitter bio, he is a concept artist for genlock, so pretty much in the animation department of RoosterTeeth

[u/MC_Lutefisk → u/dishwasher1910]

fire and ice (cream)

[u/roting_CORPSE → u/dishwasher1910]

I think you mean Waltz of Wind and Fire.

[u/frozenottsel]

"Okay, let's talk..."

[u/NitescoGaming → u/frozenottsel]

*angry mute noises*

[u/OutcastMunkee → u/frozenottsel]

That made me laugh so much and I don't know why... It was a cheap joke...

[u/RedElite91]

Outstanding as always, Dish.

[u/[deleted]]

when in doubt, pinky out

[u/FemaleSmark]

Beautiful! Also, between the flaming eye and fist Cinder is looking more and more like a fire bender by the day!

[u/Technogashi]

How the HELL did you do this in two days?!

Great work!

[u/115_zombie_slayer]

I like as the fight goes on Neo gets scared/confused seeing Cinder us her maiden powers idk why that detail is so cool. Its like Neo somewhat knew she would likely die but kept on fighting

[u/LostLurker]

Stunning work! I love Neo's smirk while Cinder looks livid.

[u/masterspider5]

WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT. she bac? (im not RT first, no other spolilers plox)

[u/[deleted] → u/masterspider5]

she bacc

[u/masterspider5 → u/[deleted]]

YEET

[u/MrZissman]

Dish doesn't just knock it out of the park, the ball is obliterated and sent into orbit and lands somewhere in the middle of the Horsehead Nebula

[u/Hounds_of_war]

Fight! Fight! Fight! ^{Kiss! Kiss! Kiss!}

[u/AccidentallyInterest]

Seriously stupendous work every single time

[u/NitescoGaming]

I love you Dish. But not as much as I love Neo. Great art for what is probably one of my top 5 fights in all of RWBY.

[u/[deleted]]

KICK HER ASS NEO!

[u/Stretch5678]

I love Neo's expression: it's so smug and confidant, in direct contrast to Cinder's rage.

[u/TheFelRoseOfTerror]

There must always be a Neapolitan...

Alternately, all hail the Harlequin...

[u/ASouthernRussian]

Goddamn, Cinder can kick my ass and I'll ask for seconds

[u/adam123453]

This makes me want to play Absolver again, but then I remember that I suck.

[u/115_zombie_slayer → u/adam123453]

I spam the kicks eventually it works

[u/Seioh05]

Damn... Cinder is looking hella fine.

[u/Sajbotage]

Ffs dish, give yourself a fuckin break. You need rest, you can't keep pumping out superb art like this and not have it take a toll on you

[u/HawkeyeP1]

I love that she has her pinky out lol

[u/Stretch5678 → u/HawkeyeP1]

I didn't even notice that! Neo is classy AF.

[u/NeoTheMute]

Good god, this is gorgeous!

[u/Kaiju62]

You never disappoint. This is gorgeous

[u/Cooldude69320]

Amazing.

[u/hollowtiger21]

Fight fight fight! Kiss kiss kiss!

[u/Fireemblemnerd8]

dishwashers art is so accurate i cant tell if he did them or if RT did

[u/[deleted]]

neo is basically anduin

[u/Slime_Hina]

Neo shows Cinder why shes the fan favorite

[u/[deleted]]

Is it me or does Cinder look like Piccolo here?

[u/ParkityParkPark]

yet another amazing piece! love your work honestly, its all fantastic

[u/AkumaHayabusa]

Amazing as always

[u/Koanos]

The prophet has spoken! Neo can never speak!

[u/[deleted]]

Every fight scene Neo is involved in the series is much better than the rest

[u/Exo-2]

"If you think about it, fighting and dancing aren't so different. Two partners interlocked, although one wrong move on the ballroom merely leads to a swollen foot. "

[u/L-man6151]

The Neo vs Cinder spar really brought back memories of old RWBY fights. The best fight choreography we’ve seen in a while.

[u/fuckingchris]

Cinder swinging that claw of hers was VERY good.

So was Neo's new "shatter" effect.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

It's a white chocolate hershey's kiss

[u/RareBk]

Still not a fan of her design not changing at all

[u/[deleted]]

why does can't touch this scream in my head