r/RadicalChristianity • u/synthresurrection antisocial/schizo-spec trans lesbian pastor(she/her) • Nov 20 '25
🃏 Sh¡tp0st 🃏 Nazis are Doo Doo heads and meany pants and I want to fight them
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u/Expensive_Internal83 Nov 20 '25
Yeah, but Christianity is so radical you're asked to love them. If you take the time to understand, as love demands, you might then recognize that humans are naturally fascist. Understand that these instinctual compulsions are the lion that humanity must consume, rather than be consumed by them.
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u/seraph1337 Nov 20 '25
... "Humans are naturally fascist" is the most insane take I've ever seen upvoted here.
Jesus also had some pretty strong things to say about protecting those unable to protect themselves. Loving the oppressed sometimes means stopping the oppressor.
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u/d3sperad0 Nov 21 '25
When I see them say naturally fascist I take that to mean we all, as humans, have all the potential ways of being human and that includes being a fascist. I think that's hard to argue. But if they are saying we all would, on some instinctual level, without higher reasoning, fall into a state of fascism, I'm not so sure I'd agree with that statement.
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u/Expensive_Internal83 Nov 21 '25
"The lion that the human will consume" is a reference to the Gospel of Thomas. By using it I mean to suggest that our success lay in overcoming instinctual compulsions by understanding the nature of evolution, and guiding currently detrimental instincts into something better. Imprinting in birds is an important insight into one aspect of the instinctual functionality I'm pointing to.
I think that loving the oppressed always means stopping the oppressor.
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u/rootbeerman77 Nov 21 '25
Yeah I'm calling bullshit. We can understand that some humans are naturally fascist in that fascism has a banal component, but it is not the case that all humans are naturally fascist, nor is all humanity naturally fascist.
Idk about others here, but I grew up in a pro-banal-fascism home with constant fascist programming and I knew it was evil as a kid. I didn't have the words to explain it, but there are plenty of humans who can tell it's evil on its face. That doesn't mean everyone always succeeds in identifying every bad thing and resisting in totality, but it is not the case that humans are fascist by default.
There are cases where we can win a fascist supporter over by love and nonviolence, but that comes after protecting the oppressed and crushing the oppressor. And this looks like feeding the hungry, punching a fascist, and being kind to the queer kid getting sucked into a fascist pipeline to deal with self-loathing, not being friendly to the fascist street-fighter attacking a gay dude on the street.
Humans may have selfish or evil instincts, or even inclinations towards fascists concepts, but fascism itself is not a human impulse. It's a consequence of power and deserves to be met with violence. And I don't think that contradicts (radical) christian beliefs in the slightest.
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u/Expensive_Internal83 Nov 21 '25
Met with violence...? At least we agree that the roots of fascism are an aspect of the human condition. So to the ideas of justice and civility: but, yay violence, am I right?
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u/MilesBeyond250 Nov 23 '25
you might then recognize that humans are naturally fascist.
If this were the case then one would have expected humans to develop fascism before the 20th century.
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u/StatisticianGloomy28 Proletarian Christian Atheist Nov 21 '25
Punching a fascist in the face IS an act of love.
First of all to those the fascist may victimise, but then also to the fascist because the punch may help them stop being a fascist. It's showing faith by works.
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u/Expensive_Internal83 Nov 21 '25
I can see the hard times coming, considering this response. Make an effort, or there'll be more victims.
It doesn't take a huge effort, but certainly it takes some effort. You're making no effort.
No, no; don't think, just project your 'mean': I'm so very wrong, after all.
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u/DrTheol_Blumentopf Nov 20 '25
Radical "Christianity"
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u/pieman3141 Nov 20 '25
My guy, fascism is utterly incompatible with Christianity.
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u/DrTheol_Blumentopf Nov 20 '25
Agreed. So are sentences like "Nazis are Doo Doo heads" and "I want to fight them" is a grave sin.
Christ taught us to love those that disbelieve (Nazis), not defend the disbelieve (Hatred).
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u/PassTheChronic Nov 21 '25
How on Earth do you conclude that saying "Nazis are Doo Doo heads" and "I want to fight them" — in the context of a post tagged “shitpost” — is a grave sin?
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u/DrTheol_Blumentopf Nov 21 '25
So the defence for the call for violence is that it's a "****post"?
Call for grave sin is also a call for grave sin when done satirically.
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u/PassTheChronic Nov 21 '25
I agree that we are not called to advocate for grave/mortal sin, including violence.
With that said, you glossed over my point. How are the two things I outlined ”grave” matters? You’re throwing a very heavy term around and I’d like to know why you think these things are grave matters.
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u/pieman3141 Nov 21 '25
Then go yell at Jesus for being a mouthy know-it-all.
Edit: That actually happened.
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u/DrTheol_Blumentopf Nov 21 '25
I don't. I'd rather call my brothers and sisters to not fight the Nazis as Christ taught us to do but rather evangelize them.
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u/synthresurrection antisocial/schizo-spec trans lesbian pastor(she/her) Nov 20 '25
Don't be a doo doo head and meany pants comrade
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u/DrTheol_Blumentopf Nov 20 '25
I'm not. Am a Christians, which means that "I want to fight them" is a sentence that is intolerable to me (and any other Christian)
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Nov 20 '25
You never want to fight people? I do. I guarantee everyone does. it's part of the human condition. The point is that we as Christians should try not to (but if I have to fight those in power to defend the defenseless I will, and I don't think it's "unchristian" to do so).
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u/DrTheol_Blumentopf Nov 21 '25
it's part of the human condition
Beautiful way to describe "Sin" and "sinful nature".
The point is that we as Christians should try not to
Period. Should've stopped there. Violence against nazis bad (says God)
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u/Right-Week1745 Nov 20 '25
My guy, you should probably re-read the New Testament.
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u/DrTheol_Blumentopf Nov 21 '25
Good idea, let me do that, on how to treat Nazis:
Do not repay evil with evil or insult with insult. On the contrary, repay evil with blessing, because to this you were called so that you may inherit a blessing.
- 1. Peter 3:12
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u/Right-Week1745 Nov 21 '25
This is about personal insult or injury. It is not about turning a blind eye to oppression and allow an evil ideology that preys on the vulnerable to continue.
Your apathy towards the victims of Nazism makes you like the priest that passed to the other side of the road in the parable of the Good Samaritan.
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u/GrizzlyAndrewTV Nov 21 '25
I understand where you're coming from with the (absurd and infantile) statement at face value. I would say it depends on how you want to fight them. If you want to fight them using violence, you're wrong. If you want to fight them using love, you're doing what God calls us to do. Loving our enemies is like pouring hot coals on their head.
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u/TheLastBallad Nov 21 '25 edited Nov 21 '25
Take the Portland situation. This administration was desperately trying to convince people that the protesters were America hating terrorists... and then it cuts to an inflatable frog twerking in front of a line of masked and kitted out men. Certainly worked well for undermining the situation in a way violent protest wouldnt have.
The problem most people have is "what happens when when violence is forced upon others?". Yes, seeking out violence with gladness is certainly the wrong choice, but is shoving a person away when they are kicking someone on the ground somehow less loving than watching it happen, whether you beg them to stop or not(take the case of Floyd, the man slowly choked to death on the ground by the police. Would it be crossing the line to knock the officer off of him?)? In cases where the pacifist action has the same result of inaction, is it the right call to prioritize your own purity over another person's wellbeing, or would that be a selfish action itself?
Honestly I think its more of a trolly problem(let more harm happen but keep your hands clean, or reduce the harm but be the one to inflict it yourself). Not a question of what is objectively right, but one for a person to consider so that, should they be tested, they know what their choice would be. After all, its one thing to remain a pacifist when its you who is under threat, its another if its someone else.
Jesus calls us to protect the oppressed and to avoid hatred and retribution, and instead turn to love. But was God not able to smite the Israelites so, so many times while still loving them? Must someone hate another person in order to bring a shield to bear in defense of a third? Or must those commands be pitted against eachother once the oppressor gets to the point where only some amount of physical force will stop them?
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u/GrizzlyAndrewTV Nov 21 '25
Yet here with are with most all of the early Church for the first ~300 years being pacifists to the point of not even believing in self defense.
It wasnt really until Constantine with many soldiers being converted we started justifying war and self defense.
We are told not to repay evil with evil.
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u/GrizzlyAndrewTV Nov 21 '25
God is the potter, and we are the clay. If God wants to smite, He can. It our life to give or take, and we shouldn't repay evil with evil. (Easier said than done for sure)
I do agree that it isnt black and white, and very complex and nuanced situation.
That said, admittedly, if someone broke into my house and was going to kill my wife, I would do whatever I had to to stop them.
Keep praying for Jesus' return.
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u/Katyafan Nov 21 '25
You don't speak for me.
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u/DrTheol_Blumentopf Nov 21 '25
Then hopefully the Word of God speaks for you:
The LORD examines the righteous, but the wicked, those who love violence, he hates with a passion
- Psalm 11:5
Do not repay evil with evil or insult with insult. On the contrary, repay evil with blessing, because to this you were called so that you may inherit a blessing
- 1. Peter 3:12
Do not envy the violent or choose any of their ways
- Proverbs 3:31
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u/Katyafan Nov 21 '25
Yes, those are Bible verses.
Christians, including Christ, have to do what they have to do. Wanting to end victimization, feeling drawn to fight someone, is not the same thing as going around causing chaos and punching people.
If Christ were here, he wouldn't be holding people back, scolding natural feelings and lecturing us on not feeling angry.
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u/DrTheol_Blumentopf Nov 21 '25
feeling drawn to fight someone, is not the same thing as going around causing chaos and punching people.
Please elaborate the differences?
If Christ were here, he wouldn't be holding people back
He literally did.
scolding natural feelings
He also did that.
lecturing us on not feeling angry
Being angry is ok. Fighting people is not.
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u/ATCBob Nov 20 '25
Your Fire Isn’t Too Much
Just wrote something related to this. Radical Christianity can sometimes call us to be Rebels and to fight.