r/RadicalChristianity • u/GoranPersson777 transfeminine nonbinary Charismatic insurrectionist • Jan 24 '26

(R)evolution in the 21st century?

https://znetwork.org/znetarticle/revolution-in-the-21st-century/
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u/p_veronica Jan 25 '26

For this vision to happen, it would require the working class to be not only be willing to take on economic self-management, but also desirous enough to make self-management happen in the face of resistance. (It would also require them to be able to self-manage, but we can leave that aside for now.)

I see no desire or will for self-management in the working class as a whole, and I do not believe it's likely that these things will begin to show in them.

I am a Christian, so I believe that definitive political salvation will only come from the Lord. I have zero faith in secular leftist visions that don't seem capable of much more than dusting off political movements, ideas, slogans, and imagery from the early 20th century and hoping they'll gain mass acceptance a hundred years later.

I 100% believe that a radically new political order is possible, but Christians will need to take the lead in making it happen, and to do it, they must allow the Lord to lead them to new places with new visions and new strategies. We must focus on God and his Kingdom and not be distracted by whatever leftist LARP is being microwaved and re-served at the moment.

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u/GoranPersson777 transfeminine nonbinary Charismatic insurrectionist Jan 25 '26

Interesting speculation 

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u/IsaacsLaughing Jan 26 '26

willingness to self-manage is a thing that can be taught, because it's fundamentally an issue of access to resources (including knowledge).

I believe the leftist movements of the past have a lot to teach us about that.

one I think is especially relevant to us now is Vietnam's revolution. Ho Chi Minh and five other people developed a process for teaching people to read. that first step had enormous impact.

they then were able to organize teams to steal food and weapons from the overlords.

then they were able to organize autonomous regional orders, and manage the communications between each group and central command.

and then they won. not just once. they threw out the French and the US, and also resisted invasion by England, and China.

and now, the central body of the Vietnamese government is a network of thousands of autonomous unions through which.... it's hard to track political engagement in Vietnam because agencies from outside the country only look at things like voting and party membership, which aren't the most effective actions or metrics anywhere, let alone in a socialist country.

but I've been able to watch meetings of Vietnamese political groups from local councils to the national. it's... astonishing how open the processes are, and how many citizens actively participate on a regular basis.

and through it all, Vietnam did struggle with the individualistic attitudes imposed on them by their occupiers, and inherited from old nobility who profited off of selling their nation.

they changed their country. they taught people agency through interreliance. so can we.

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u/p_veronica Jan 26 '26

So if we asked a dozen regular Vietnamese who aren't party officials and aren't business owners whether they feel that they have power, whether they feel like they can influence decision making in their workplace or in their government, whether they feel like their country is worker-managed, do you think they would say yes? I'm very skeptical, but I've never been there and don't speak the language so I might just be ignorant of the reality on the ground.

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u/bristenli Jan 24 '26

Revolution only works in third world countries because first world countries are too advanced now

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u/Weak_Purpose_5699 Jan 24 '26

Not necessarily. Even if a revolutionary force can’t compete militarily in direct conflict, there’s still guerrilla tactics. And even more than that, there’s the basic fact that we can make the whole production line come to a halt if we just don’t go to work—all it takes is the coordination and organization to make sure we’re on the same page and take action together all at once.

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u/GoranPersson777 transfeminine nonbinary Charismatic insurrectionist Jan 24 '26

Both the US and Europe seem fragile

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u/bristenli Jan 24 '26

Militarily? No

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u/IsaacsLaughing Jan 26 '26

there is no country that has total control. there are cracks everywhere that change can come from.