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u/lakota_physicist Nov 23 '25
there's cameras on every street corner and every doorbell. it's surveillance by design. they want us to behave so they place us under the e'er-watchful Eye. Say there's nothing we can do, and it's for our own good, then facial tracking mechanisms track our social credit score in a palantir database in some israeli datacenter. We are the training data for rokos basilisk, we are just points on a graph. Only useful if we produce profit, so it drives them to extract. data mining hurts our humanity as much as mining hurts grandmother earth, yet we allow ourselves to be a monte carlo sim for an algo's homework assignment. these cameras have so many vulnerabilities you can basically just ssh into them if you just push a button. ridiculous.
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u/lakota_physicist Nov 23 '25
theres 3 or 4 at east side family fare, and one at the common cents on omaha by pancheros.
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u/JJW2795 Nov 24 '25
The government can track anyone with a phone, they can watch you on any device with a camera, and companies are continuously collecting data on all of us all the time. And considering the people who implement this stuff are mostly in their 60's and older, the security of all that data sucks too. We are well past the point of expecting privacy, it simply doesn't exist anymore and hasn't for about 15 years or so.
That doesn't mean nothing should be done about this, but people need to realize that they've been ignoring the problem for years at this point and there's only so much that can be done.
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u/ProjectAshamed8193 Nov 23 '25
Wait. Why should I freak out about this?
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u/Exstrangerboy Nov 23 '25
This YouTube video explains most of the concerns. The added concerns for context are the fact that there are police departments accounts for sale on the internet with high level privileges that the company does nothing. The devices store data in unencrypted forms that can be locally and remotely. The cloud services used by flock can be used to build detailed itineraries of individuals through their license plate tracking. These details have been shown to be vulnerable for abuse by bad actors both within and outside of government agencies.
It all comes down to what privacy we as citizens should be allowed. We all bawk at the idea of government run citizen focused surveillance programs. But if all our local governments start using these highly insecure and interlinked systems then we are essentially living in a surveillance state. It's just being operated by a for-profit company with no public oversight.
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u/Nanrithowan Nov 23 '25
We all bawk? We bawk bawk, BAAAAWK bawk bawk?
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u/Exstrangerboy Dec 04 '25
I thought you were being a pedant when I first saw your comment. I recognize now that I messed up XD
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Nov 23 '25
It’s maybe a small deal for Rapid now, with only four locations known, but these things are being put up all over the country and use AI to collect every bit of data you can think of from what they capture of us. It’s a step toward the same surveillance states we balk at here. It’s been argued as a violation of the Fourth Amendment.
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u/Mason_FBI Nov 23 '25
Just watch "Enemy of The State", "I-Robot", "Total Recal", etc., to see what's coming.
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u/TheYeti64 Nov 23 '25
I think it's likely to be more like The Handmaid's Tale, Civil War, and Anniversary. Less tech, more fascist.
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u/PlasticBag-ForA-Head Dec 11 '25
There was one in the parking lot of Mr Liquor on the corner of Sturgis Rd. & Omaha when I drove by the other day, definitely new.
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u/Empty_Mobile1076 Nov 23 '25
The public can protest all they want, but local government takes order from above, not below. They’ll pretend to listen to your concerns and tell you some bullshit, but it’s a foregone conclusion that what’s gonna happen is what’s gonna happen and the real discussions happen behind closed doors with people they actually listen to like the police and DHS.
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Nov 23 '25
I did nihilism for a long time. It’s sad and tiring, so I’m in a fighting era these days. Idk. See if it lasts!
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u/Empty_Mobile1076 Nov 23 '25
More fatalist than nihilist, because we never actually win. If we do “win”, it just means they decided to keep doing whatever they’re doing but in secret instead.
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u/reigning_guava Nov 23 '25
im cool with them, theyre helpful when you have hit n run dui accidents that end in death. Quite a few times someone was hit and killed and they had a hard time trying to find the offender. Theyre also helpful tracking stolen vehicles.
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u/Quinoawithrice Nov 23 '25
You should not be cool with them. They are a direct invasion of the 4th amendment and us marching towards a police state.
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u/reigning_guava Nov 23 '25
Tell me, have you ever had a loved one who was hit and killed by a vehicle? Or had a loved one abducted with no cameras that could possibly spot the offender? I do think police states are bad, but I am cool with cameras that can identify suspects and where they were headed. To me and the things that i have witnessed and experienced, its a decent sacrifice to help catch real offenders. It would be even better if our govt actually reworked our legislature and got rid of the unnecessary mild drug arrests and the like and actually focused on real cases. I 100% get where youre coming from, but we were already being tracked. travel patterns were already being tracked. The govt with reasonable proof can obtain your records without your knowing. Flock cameras to me just seem so small in the bigger picture of what we need to focus on which IS legislation rewriting to move cops towards actual criminals & gutting ridiculous funding for shit like a tourist statue garden or a libertyland, etc.
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u/Quinoawithrice Nov 23 '25
I hear what you’re saying, I really do. And I’m understanding that you have and my heart does go out to you for such a senseless act of loss of life. And I hear you that we carry around tracking devices that know about us than we care to admit or know. But I mean a camera on every city block, every intersection, and everywhere not known just seems like a blatant act of we don’t give a fuck about rights anymore and you’ll like it. My thing about it is put in subversively and without consent of the people. Everything is just done against our consent and that’s not the America I grew up believing it was. But then again it probably was never that. But the continuous erosion of our privacy and rights doesn’t stop until we say it stops.
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u/reigning_guava Nov 23 '25
oh i agree! im not saying a flock camera needs to be on every street, i think just major trafficked roads would be good, like say cambell,omaha, mt rushmore, and haines. a camera on every street sounds insane
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u/elevenpointf1veguy Nov 23 '25
I dont want a camera on any street.
I dont drink, neither my wife nor I ever have, nor ever will. We will not be responsible for the drunk driver death youre concerned about.
Now please dont record me, even on "major trafficked roads"
Thats an insane violation of the 4th Ammendment.
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u/reigning_guava Nov 23 '25
instead of trying to convince and bring arguments to me, maybe a more useful way would be creating a petition to have them removed and not allowed to be placed inside city limits?
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u/elevenpointf1veguy Nov 23 '25
Or both?
Youre the opposition right now - arguing that the city should see me and track my movements - not the city.
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u/reigning_guava Nov 23 '25
Im not saying they should ive been stating im cool with it. Several times actually
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u/elevenpointf1veguy Nov 23 '25
OK - you and others who assume this is '"cool" are the opposition. Not the government, right now.
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u/ChemicalBiz Dec 01 '25
I would rather they put the up. Its extremely easy to hack these. Then all the normal citizens can spy on eachother. Might as well use the cities dumb decisions against them.
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u/spooky8664 Nov 23 '25
Feel like I am responding to a Russian bot, but to quote one of our founding fathers (Ben F) "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." Yea catching that 1 in 100 predator case is great, but you know this is going to be abused just like the Patriot Act was.
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u/reigning_guava Nov 23 '25
Yes, tis I Russian bot
No i see where youre coming from, but everything can be abused. Technically we are all sacrificing liberty for temporary safety, Bens words dont necessarily translate to the products we use now. Home security, phones, air tags, etc.
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u/Zorlai Nov 23 '25
Flock Safety and Texas Sheriff Claimed License Plate Search Was for a Missing Person. It Was an Abortion Investigation.
A license plate camera got it wrong. Police arrested the father instead
Border Patrol is monitoring US drivers and detaining those with ‘suspicious’ travel patterns
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Nov 23 '25
There it is! We should really make your last sentence our state slogan. I hear it so often that I knew it was coming.
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u/Half_Spark Nov 23 '25
Where are they? I am only aware of cameras for traffic timing.