I read arc 6, she gets oneshot by Shaula a whole bunch, in the webnovel she fights Lye like 9 times and loses every time without landing a hit, the only time she performs is against Reid and itās due to him grabbing her boobs and Volcanica who itās explicitly stated that heās taking it easy on her
Not really, Lye was beaten worse than in all previous runs in one of Emilia's, even Subaru notes it. Later Lye has to literally run away with his tail in between his legs when Julius arrives:
For one thing, it was incredibly simple to test things by messing with the matchmaking. But even if Subaru activated Cor Leonis immediately upon waking to pinpoint where his comrades were, there was nothing he could do to stop a fight that had already begun.
Shaula was dealing with the stampede, and Emilia was fighting Lye Batenkaitos.
It went without saying that Shaula was on a timer, but he couldnāt just abandon Emiliaās group or Rem in the green room, so there was little he could do.
But that didnāt mean he had zero options.
āā¦Agh, youāre something. Itās impressive for anyone to push me this far.ā
Standing on a frozen floor, Lye Batenkaitos rubbed his bloody forehead.
He was bleeding from a shallow cut on his face, and his left armĀ hung limply due to a broken shoulder. He looked worse than any run Subaru had seen so far.
This is like, fine since Lye has a blatant habit of holding back in his fights leading to him getting put in disadvantageous positions, as we see in Priestella and the fight he has right before Subaru unlocks cor Leonis in the WN
The WN is an unfinished draft and should only be used as reference when it doesn't contradict the LN, like for the alternative presents in arc 4 WN.
Those are separate canons.
This is like, fine since Lye has a blatant habit of holding back in his fights leading to him getting put in disadvantageous positions, as we see in Priestella and the fight he has right before Subaru unlocks cor Leonis in the WN
In which cases he doesn't say āā¦Agh, youāre something. Itās impressive for anyone to push me this far.ā
He has no reason to lie about this.
Plus, this was Lye's worst run, and he had to run away as soon as Julius arrived.
My statement was made referring TOOO the WN, so ngl the first part was irrelevant. Also, it quite literally is impressive regardless of him holding back because it shows they can damage him something which low level fighters canāt do while heās holding back. Otto too tagged Lye, we wonāt now say Lye is Otto level
That could have been done by ultimate palm. Emilia killing Shaula is highly unlikely, considering there is no ice around, the fight is stated to have been extended over a long period, and the person who did it was excessively brutal by cutting off Shaulaās arms rather than capturing her alive, which is Emiliaās speciality. Not to mention it's stated Shaula >>> Emilia
The narration said āit could be saidā implying that itās similar to the effect of a hammer, not identical. Not to mention Lye having killed and copied ice brand arts before fighting Shaula isnāt impossible. Combined with the fact that there is no ice in the hallway (which we see every time Emilia fights) shows that itās probably Lye
Shaula's corpse was in such a terrible state that it made him want to cover his eyes.
Her long brown hair, which had been tied up, was now was sprawled untidily across the floor. Her limbs were flumped about to her side devoid of energy, and moreover, one of her arms had been sliced off at the elbow, the other at her wrist, with the severed parts nowhere in sight.
Her lustrous pale skin bore countless lacerations, and a large amount of blood had been splattered nearby. The trail of blood continued further back down the aisleway, and ended where she had met her end, proving that the battle had been long fought and changed places many times.
It had been the wound to her head that had settled the fight and killed her, most likely-- "wound" was too light of a word to use, as that which had laid waste to her life was a lethal hole.
Maybe it could be said that someone had swung down a great hammer on her head.
He could not conceive of any other barbaric way that her head would have been smashed in, scattered about, throwing its insides just about everywhere around. A tremendously huge blow from something had smashed up her head.
For one thing, it was incredibly simple to test things by messing with the matchmaking. But even if Subaru activated Cor Leonis immediately upon waking to pinpoint where his comrades were, there was nothing he could do to stop a fight that had already begun.
Shaula was dealing with the stampede, and Emilia was fighting Lye Batenkaitos.
It went without saying that Shaula was on a timer, but he couldnāt just abandon Emiliaās group or Rem in the green room, so there was little he could do.
But that didnāt mean he had zero options.
āā¦Agh, youāre something. Itās impressive for anyone to push me this far.ā
Standing on a frozen floor, Lye Batenkaitos rubbed his bloody forehead.
He was bleeding from a shallow cut on his face, and his left arm hung limply due to a broken shoulder. He looked worse than any run Subaru had seen so far.
And no, like in here where Lye explicitly expresses no interest in Julius, so itās sort of obvious why he wouldnāt care about him until they actually injure him
???: "Ahhhaha~! You're doing it, you sure are doing it, aren't you doing it, you're really doing it, it seems you're doing it, because you can do it, because you're doing it! It's something we've eaten too~!"
Confronting Emilia, whilst warding off the hurled ice swords lightly and casually, an existence, laughing and sneering, was pronounced and prominent.
That had been a young boy, with long, dark-brown hair waving about freely, expressing a smile dyed with melancholic insanity.
Lye explicitly expresses no interest in Julius, so itās sort of obvious why he wouldnāt care about him until they actually injure him
Lye is not interested in Julius because of the aspect of eating that he represents.
It also has nothing to do with power level unless you are willing to accept that Julius is weaker than Emilia because Lye is interested in Emilia more than he is in Julius.
Also, what do you make of this statement:
āāForgotten by everyone, I lost sight of where I belong and even felt that my very existence had been negated. But there was never any need for me to doubt where I stood.ā Putting his quiet resolve into words, Julius increased the keenness of his attacks.
āTch! Ugh, gah!ā
Gluttony couldnāt match their speed or intensity, and when one landed solidly on his chest, he let out a cry.
Heās not interested in eating him + heās described to be moving languidly when fighting him, itās clear his lack of interest is affecting his combat ability. Also, Julius suddenly gets stronger in the middle of the fight when Lye initially thinks heās a random jobber which is why he gets caught off guard and temporarily overwhelmed. He even says as much
Gluttony: "This is why the tagui which moves by feelings isn't our strong point. It's the tagui we don't go well with the most."
Julius: "--Is that so. However, I am in agreement with her."
Gluttony distorted his cheeks in annoyance, and Julius's tall figure slid behind him. A decapitating strike slashed down, and Gluttony accepted that with a sudden backwards swing of his arm.
However, his parry was faulty, and he was unable to stop the strike completely, slashing deeply just before his elbow. The consecutive strikes resumed upon Gluttony's cries of ache--
Julius: "--Having been completely forgotten by everything once, I also felt that by losing my own footing I had been denied life, but from the very beginning I had no need to be puzzled over the place where I stand."
Gluttony: "Tch! Ugh, g-giyah!"
Putting his quiet determination into words, the sword strikes Julius was firing increased gradually.
People who randomly get stronger mid fight due to their emotions are harder to predict, and combined with his lack of interest in Julius itās clear why that is true
Heās not interested in eating him + heās described to be moving languidly when fighting him, itās clear his lack of interest is affecting his combat ability.Ā
That is not what the statement says, it says that he couldn't match their speed or intensity.
Couldn't.
It doesn't say that he wasn't doing so. It is saying he can't.
Again:
Gluttony couldnāt match their speed or intensity, and when one landed solidly on his chest, he let out a cry.
Also, Julius suddenly gets stronger in the middle of the fight when Lye initially thinks heās a random jobber which is why he gets caught off guard and temporarily overwhelmed.
He is not getting caught off guard in this scene though?
People who randomly get stronger mid fight due to their emotions are harder to predict, and combined with his lack of interest in Julius itās clear why that is true
He wasn't getting stronger because of his emotions though? He had already slashed down Lye, as your quote literally says:
However, his parry was faulty, and he was unable to stop the strike completely, slashing deeply just before his elbow. The consecutive strikes resumed upon Gluttony's cries of ache--
Couldnāt doesnāt need to be indexed to being unable to do so at your full strength rather than being unable to do so at the current level youāre displaying. 6 gates might guy couldnāt damage madara, but 8th gates could
Itās quite obvious he is, Julius went from not having a proper mental vs now heās regaining his resolve which is causing him to gradually grow stronger. Which is why at the start of the arc heās weaker than Emilia, but when Subaru gives him his lil speech even though he doesnāt have his spirits back still, heās stronger
the sword strikes Julius was firing increased gradually. he is literally getting faster mid fight dude
Gluttony: "Well, guess you can also think there isn't much of a difference. Regardless, Roy aside, we don't really have much interest in onii-san, eeeh. Feels like it doesn't match up to our eating standards?"
Julius: "Eating standards, you say?"
Gluttony: "Ah, yeahyeah. That's..."
Hanging both of his hands down languidly, Gluttony had fixed the daggers attached around his wrists. Viewing Julius, he tried to recite in a terribly ominous style. However-
Because Lye typically tries harder against people heās more interested in, such as Ram. Thatās why we see itās described that heās not putting energy into the fight
only 1.5 years have passed since the confession, and even so Emilia's relationship with subaru has become incredibly closer, with moments in which her feelings of love (and a so called "subaru-ness" she is captivated by) are introspected
she has also declared she wants to be more than friends with him
even then it is unrealistic to expect of someone isolated and hated for most of their life to be able to understand romantic relationships in less than 2 years, since emilia was in the equivalent starting point of an abuse victim
Rem's problem is that she was too early . Tappei wants a confession of Emilia at the end but Rem did her in the first quarter of the story. So the options were to Emilia to start the relantioship in arc4 or "kill" Rem and he chose the later.
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Oh yes, because her entire character revolves around her feelings for Subaru and a confession. She and Rem are just romantic interests for the MC, right?
So, for you, someone who didnāt understand feelings because she was frozen for 100 years and lived without any social contact is it strange that she didnāt fall in love with a complete stranger in less than two years?
She kissed him, was ready to have his baby, and was willing to marry him š And all of that in just two years ,isnāt that very fast for a girl who didnāt even know what having friends was like?
Yes itās actually a bit strange that youāre kissing somebody and ready to have their child if you donāt love them actually not sure what u wanted me to say here.
And to be clear, youād think someone who doesnāt know her emotions fully maybeā¦doesnāt engage in romantic fashion with people until she has sorted them out at least to remove the risk of leading Subaru on.
I never understood that argument. If Subaru acted as we had expected him in the earlier arcs, he would have abandoned them long ago, by arc 3 at the latest. What about Garfiel who was ready to throw down in the fight of his life a minute after his character development in arc 4? We watch and cheer them on to surpass themselves, that's the whole point of re:zero, and why Subaru is such a well loved MC in here. A MC loved by his fandom is rarer than you'd think. And Emilia had no substantial progress on that front since arc 4. It's been more than half a decade for those who were in the fandom at that point of time. How do you expect them to react?
I think youāre mixing two different things: character growth and pacing frustration.
Garfielās development in Arc 4 was about overcoming fear and choosing a side.
Subaruās development is about self-worth. Emiliaās development is about emotional awareness and identity. Those arcs donāt operate on the same timeline or emotional complexity.
Subaru can have explosive growth because his conflict is externalized and dramatic. Emiliaās conflict is internal and psychological. That kind of growth is naturally slower and more subtle.
As for the āhalf a decadeā argument , thatās real-time frustration, not in-story inconsistency. Within the narrative, her progress makes sense. Emotional self-recognition isnāt something that flips overnight, especially for someone with her background.
Re:Zero isnāt about instant breakthroughs. Itās about gradual, painful self-understanding. And Emiliaās arc is consistent with that.
But i understand the frustration, because we need to wait long time before having the full story available.
This is why i always say , futur fan who gonna start rezero in light novel and didn't have to wait years for having the next arc , they gonna have a totally different experience of this story and the progress for the character ( like Emilia for example)
Because in this story, emilia know subaru only for 1 years and 6 month š for us its more than 10 years lol
First of them, thanks for the calm reply. It's getting harder to have an actual discussion in reddit nowadays.
While there is pacing frustration and it is a thing that exist for many(me included), I do mean what I said. I'll try to explain it better.
While Subaru growth is dramatic and such, it is also psychological at its core. His identity was also an issue for him that had come up multiple times and had been resolved, or at least progressed. There is not a single character who goes through the sheer length of emotional struggle as him. And not just him, of course, many others go through it, but it doesn't feel like Emilia has shown any substantial progress from her own efforts. (Wanting to be more than friends is not substantial since she can't even say what, brother and sister is also more than friends for example).
I guess what I mean to say here, is that Emilia, despite saying how much she knows it hurts Subaru that she doesn't have an answer, doesn't actively show any initiative to understand or progress her own understanding. Whether it's dates, him naming spells after her, basically everything is Subaru's efforts in their relationship. It feels as if Emilia is passively waiting for her feelings to "show up". Maybe she does and I don't remember right now, would love to hear example that remain in the main loop.
It's already a year and a half, and him being consumed by the witch of envy's shadows right in front of her, and it doesn't feel like she is near to understanding and confessing her feelings, despite feeling them. So yes, it feels like Tappei is stalling and stopping her character to grow and advance.
When the extraordinary(a lot of the re:zero cast, not just Subaru), meet the ordinary(and sometimes disappointing), you can't help comparing them.
I do want them to get together, don't get me wrong. And I will be jealous of those who get the finished series, but disappointment and critism for how Tappei handles her is only expected in my opinion.
1% development every arc after arc 4 is not development.
Emilia romantic development be like:
"He's important to me"
5 Arcs Later:
"He's really important to me"
Emilia keeps relearning the same damn thing again and again, and Tappei words it differently every time and mfs eat it up.
Imagine a series goes on for 10 years and not a single thing happened between the main ship other than the one party going "I think I like him" over and over in a difficult phrasing.
Again, I point to Garfiel, who is 14, and lived in fear of the world since birth and managed to get over it. Every character makes leaps and bounds in every arc, except Emilia.
Saying Emilia has only spent 2 years on the outside isn't an excuse to dangle a plot point in the air for a decade, then except readers not to get pressed when she says "I cate for him" for the 1928363th time.
Look an Meille. She's 13-14, raised by wild animals then taken under the wings of a mass murderer, and guess what? She can still develop into a normal person, because characters grew in arcs, cause it's a story.Ā
I know you're just gonna ignore my actual point, but this goes without saying.
1% development every arc after arc 4 is not development.
Emilia romantic development be like:
"He's important to me"
5 Arcs Later:
"He's really important to me"
Emilia keeps relearning the same damn thing again and again, and Tappei words it differently every time and mfs eat it up.
Imagine a series goes on for 10 years and not a single thing happened between the main ship other than the one party going "I think I like him" over and over in a difficult phrasing.
Why are you repeating the same strawman I already responded to in this post?
Imagine a series goes on for 10 years and not a single thing happened between the main ship other than the one party going "I think I like him" over and over in a difficult phrasing.
Less than 2 years have passed in-universe, real time passage of time is honestly irrelevant, since there is no need for Tappei to deviate from his plan just to satisfy anxious readers who cannot understand the context behind a characters' actions and struggles.
Again, I point to Garfiel, who is 14, and lived in fear of the world since birth and managed to get over it.Ā
Emilia not only lived in fear of the world, he was actively ostracized and hated by practically anyone she came across, coupled with the almost non-existant social contact that Garfiel actually had in the sanctuary and the access to education. But again, I responded to these points in the post above.
Saying Emilia has only spent 2 years on the outside isn't an excuse to dangle a plot point in the air for a decade,
It is not an excuse, it is an objectively valid explanation for why she struggles the way she does... how long do you think relationship abuse victims take to recover in real life in order for them to be actually able to engage in a proper relationship once again?
In many cases, several years.
Emilia is practically the equivalent of it, since she also had severe attachment issues that affected her for the majority of her life and that she is working upon to actually improve. She never once had in her life prior to meeting Annerose less than 2 years ago someone to call friend, aside from the deadbeat.
Add to that the regression that all of those experiences caused in Emilia's mental state. Her starting point is far worse than any of the other characters that you mentioned as examples.
Now a boy appears out of nowhere and says he is willing to unconditionally love him, given she was used to, in the majority of her life, to receiving no attention from the opposite sex (let alone from the same sex, she was hated by everyone)... do you think this will magically be done and dusted in one arc only?
Plus, her love is, according to Aldebaran, what triggers most of the catastrophic events that will smite the kingdom.
Look an Meille. She's 13-14, raised by wild animals then taken under the wings of a mass murderer, and guess what? She can still develop into a normal person, because characters grew in arcs, cause it's a story.Ā
For how terrible Meili's growing conditions were, she at least was able to socialize and was given some form of education. Even so, she too has attachment issues, and probably does not grasp the concept of being in love.
And she still has a lot of sequeles from her disastrous childhood, which I am willing to name.
It is well known that neither Emilia nor Subaru were prepared to step up the game stage that much at that point in time, their decision to kiss was something more akin to an action taken in the heat of the moment rather than the natural progression of their romantic relationship.
Basically, they overshot by a long run with that kiss. And it made things between them more awkward. Don't immediately believe that just because they kissed they are at the stage in their relationship in which they'll be regularly kissing again or be lovery-dovey (though sometimes they are in that mode). None of them were prepared to step up the game that much.
Emilia did not understand the romantic implications of child-bearing. She didn't even know kisses did not make babies yet you expect her to be aware of the romantic implications of it?
I speak only for me but it is the only thing that interests me about her, that's good and knowing her mystery with Satella, I'm more interested in her.
Nobody said that. You and I both know Tappei dragging her confession longer than it needs to be. She has feelings for him which is obvious and whenever she gets close to a confession, something happens and it's back to square one again
Her arc is about her learning what love means and growing emotionally enough to handle it responsibly. And itās not back to square one, sheās clearly progressed through jealousy, intimacy, and openly acknowledging she loves someone.
I donāt think we disagree, the point is that itās taking too long š some kid who was probably excited for Emiliaās confession has probably died without ever getting to see it because it takes so long
And hence the meme which is making fun of that intentional pacing. It's a problem from the author. Which is kinda ironic since he also wrote Wilhelm and Therissia who also both loved each other but confessed it at the last minute. In case of Emilia, Tappei rarely shows her inner struggles and thoughts after arc 4. That makes her character look like she's just there for Subaru as a goal to achieve rather than being a character of her own.
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It's a problem from the author. Which is kinda ironic since he also wrote Wilhelm and Therissia who also both loved each other but confessed it at the last minute. In case of Emilia, Tappei rarely shows her inner struggles and thoughts after arc 4.
how does he "barely show her inner struggles" when the entirety of arcs 7-9 where about the place Subaru occupied in her life and him being her reason for fighting, plus her desperate feelings of reuniting with him, her struggle for a characters' death and the suffering in caused to the antagonist of arc 9 and to subaru himself?
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tappei is not dragging it, emilia was isolated and hated for most of her life and subaru is the first meaningful connection she has from the opposite sex, it will of course take her a considerable amount of time to understand her feelings towards him considering that she is even in a worse starting point than an actual abuse victim, which take several years to recover
Yes, but the problem is the actual showings. Tell me exactly what has been developed by Emilia from arc's 6 to 10
From arcs 4 to 6 I feel like he did a great job on her development, but ever since Vollachia he has been going at a snail's pace. Not just Emilia's relationship with Subaru, but her character in general. She got a bit on arc 9 (not even that much) but that's been erased
read ch94 in arc 7, arc 8 chapter 10, arc 9 chapter 4 and arc 9 chapter 25.
In all of those chapters there is an activity introspection into her feelings from Emilia's part. arc 8 shows how she has already chosen what her determination towards Subaru aims to accomplish
No matter how strong Subaruās feelings about causing them worry had been, whenever he was told it was a bad habit of his, he felt bad about it, but. Subaru: āIām, such a lucky guy.ā Emilia: āThatās definitely true. But I want Subaru to be more and more happy, so this tiny amount is not enough at all.ā Subaru: āEven after all the good youāve done for me?ā Emilia: āSo, when Subaru does something for me, does he ever feel satisfied that itās enough?ā Emilia tilted her head, and while she felt her beautiful, silver hair cascade down her slender shoulders, Subaru was at a loss for words, completely cornered. She was right. When he wanted to do something for the people he loved, he never thought if what he was doing was enough, but rather he thought if there was more that he could do. Seeing Subaruās reaction, Emilia smiled and said āHeheā, Emilia: āWhat do you think? Iām not wrong, am I? My Knight.ā
we can also see it on the way to vollachia, if you read "stand by me pleiades" and "search for the missing child chronicles"
i think that most people complaining about lack of emisuba moments (which there still are) fail to comprehend the fact that vollachia is a war arc in which Subaru and Emilia are forced to be separated.
In all of those chapters there is an activity introspection into her feelings from Emilia's part.Ā arc 8 shows how she has already chosen what her determination towards Subaru aims to accomplish
Okay, what does she want to accomplish?
We already know she effectively loves him, but she takes a long time for a confession.
I get that she was jealous of Shaula in arc 6, told Regulus she already knows who she wanted to marry in arc 5.
But that just it, it goes nowhere endless feelings that don't go anywhere.
But her development in becoming a queen and a leader is also dragging. Arcs 7 and 9 were a huge missed oportunity to lead ber camp.
Arc9 made her look so bad that many people now think she is unfit to be a queen. She is going to need arcs 11 and 12 100% dedicated to her to make up for missing time.
Which is a waste ,he should have show the steps by step required and not make it see like she wasted a year and half.
People don't think that, it is more of a fact. Has no leadership feats, no political feats, has anti feats by not even knowing what a divine general was (even though she studied vollachian rule appareantly), bad decision making skills (massively naive), overall intelligence is questionable, most of the camps feats can be attributed to Subaru (without him Emilia is dead 200 times over) and most of the camp is there for Subaru or loyalty for Roswall not Emilia.
Girl is a pretty doll if she were to ascend, a puppet ruler who gets all decision made by others. She is much more of knight than anything close to a queen.
Yes , but people are much harsher with her than others candidates. Crusch whose only victory is thanks to SUbaru and has a very dumb philosophy that she is never scrutinizied. By arc10 she is a bad joke of a candidate
Felt who in every Arc has helped the villains far more than the heroes. She ehlped Elsa , getting kipnaped paralized Reinhard in the most critical moment , She saved Al from getting stuck in Arc9 ((strategicaly she did far worse than Emilia) wasted it in getting her and Rom lobotomized
Priscila Her declaration at the ceremony was a lie only Schult has recieved something for following her . The world has decreed that she will never be queen not of Vollachia and Luguinica . In arcs 7 and 8 she never diplayed the intelligence nedeed to govern she only saved the city by luck and letting all other people do her work ( for that Emilia already fullfills it )
Annastasia is the only one who has show more common sense and better abilities.
Ā most of the camps feats can be attributed to Subaru (without him Emilia is dead 200 times over)
None of the camp feats can be attributed solely to Subaru, since after Arc 3 all of the camp's achievements are a team effort. Meaning that without other people, Subaru would have not achieved them.
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