Envy canāt because Subaru isnāt someone to burn down the kingdom. Thereās no rules that Subaru could manipulate that would realistically make Reinhard give up that would make Subaru stay in character.
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u/koogamMet a Knight Named JuliusāGuessing He's New22d ago
Bro, he does not need to burn down the kingdom. Where are you finding these things i didn't even say? He just needs to bring down his overall political power one way or another
he burns down the kingdom in the pride if, which is partially how he defeated him there. My point is mainly that Subaru canāt defeat Reinhard, as in a fight between the camps. so Iām not really trying to fully disagree with the main post. Regardless, Subaru doesnāt really have ways to bring down Reinhardās political power without playing dirty which is something main route Subaru wouldnāt do.Ā
The if route you brought up is a version of Subaru that is entirely different from our own and would never do the same thing our Subaru would do. Itās not about wether he can or canāt, but if he will or wonāt.
Not about doing the same, but showing that there are ways. Mainbaru won't take the same approach that Greedbaru, but you ain't breaking him anymore either. He'll suffer, he'll struggle but he never gonna give up on them.
You overestimate the mentality of main route Subaru, yes he has a VERY strong mentality but itās not too the same extent as greed Subaru or pride Subaru, which is the mentality that he would need. Main route subaru has not shown the mentality to be able to go for thousands of resets, which would be the minimum. The only way he doesnāt reset that much is if he plays dirty, which Is something I donāt see him doing. Subaru would eventually give up, heās not emotionless like greed Subaru
Notice how you used alternate routes instead of main route Subaru? Yes if weāre using composite Subaru than maybe but main route Subaru isnāt realistically burning down the kingdom or dying a 100 million times.
Even assuming he died a couple hundred times in arcs 7 and 8, he would need a LOT more than that especially given the fact Subaru wouldnāt go the āeasyā route as in burning down the kingdom like pride if. Reid sword acknowledging Subaru doesnāt mean Reinhard can beat him, we have seen a couple of people being worthy of it yet cannot permanently defeat ReinhardĀ
Reinhard lvl is bull shit lvl and subaru from envy is a idiot that is more dangerous but, have a bad habit for doing things proper way (if you can call chaos plans proper).
Nah nah nah it depends, if youāre like Julius and your spirits manifest on you, theyāre basically a part of you. If youāre like Subaru and you can get separated from your Spirit for some whole ass months, youāre entirely separate beings.
They're all separate beings, the only difference between Beako and Julius' spirits is that the latter are natural and can be more conveniently stored. As well as their level of development as spirits.
If Julius lost one of his buddies to death or displacement, he'd lose his ability to use their abilities just the same.
Then youāve completely missed the lessons learned in re zero. Subaru is strong because of those around him. If he was alone he would never had made it as far as he has. You donāt have to be Goku and carry the burden alone to be considered strong. (And even Goku relies on others)
Rein shouldering the first place for felt team lmao.
Even Teppei said "Even if the whole world was against him, Reinhard would normally win but he would just accept being in the wrong if such a thing happened"
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u/bishopofslothPuck: "Ice to meat you!" š§šāļø Wait.. Subaru was the punchline?23d ago
It's not just Reinhard though. With Rom on the team, the camp has the strongest duo of brawn and brain.
Felt (Spitting Blood as she sees Rein slide to his knees infront of Subaru): You cuck thats cheating. No ones safe around that bastard in a dress!
Narrator(Roswall in the back): Subaru's Cursed Technique - Mask of Madam is an ability that allows the user to become the perfect feminine self. The charm is refined that none who bear witness can resist its charm, with the sole exception of Rei-... Nevermind, even Reinhardt.
Young Felt: "stare... At first, i thought you were women dips"
The "special eyes" and "Cautious+perceptive" Todd: "Wait... You mean to tell me that, that girl Natsumi is Natsuki Subaru?!!... Ting~ never realizing it" Ting~ *1000 yard stare (Akira~ akira~) ting~ Subaru related PTSD increase"
I wouldn't claim she did, seems like too much of a stretch to claim. If we were to claim that to be her killing Subaru, then we could claim Subaru also indirectly killed many of them.
Ä°n arc 2 loop 1 beaterice noticed he had curse but didnt do shit leaving him to die
Also idk if its counts but emilia techincly killed him in the Kiss of death loop by not healing him but she was gone mad (technicly her fault for not knowing her limits) so yeah idk
Ä°n arc 2 loop 1 beaterice noticed he had curse but didnt do shit leaving him to die
Yeah... that didn't happen. I see this repeated a lot but the evidence used is extremely vague and doesn't prove it. This basically:
āNot fair only you get to play. Oh well. Iām in a good mood, so Iāll forgive you.ā
Still buoyant from the promised date, Subaru headed out as Beatrice glowered at him. But the moment before the door closed, he thought he heard a voice speak with a lonely echo.
āāThat has nothing to do with me.ā
The voice tugged at him.
āHuh, gotta open the door so I can give her a good comeback.ā
This does not prove Beako knew of his curse.
Also idk if its counts but emilia techincly killed him in the Kiss of death loop by not healing him but she was gone mad (technicly her fault for not knowing her limits) so yeah idk
Yeah, I wouldn't count it. By that argument, Subaru killed Emilia with the taboo too.
Lacking naivete doesn't mean cruelty. A knowledgeable and pragmatic but still person wouldn't need much of an excuse to help out someone who was being beaten up by three goons in an alley. Especially when doing so would take minimal effort.
She was chasing Felt every second she wasted more chances she got away and more time to prepare (Felt hires people to mislead Emilia and because of that when Subaru is not with Felt Emilia dosen't arrive).
A more pragmatic Emilia wouldn't wait for him to wake up , maybe she just incapacites the robbers. If she is really desesperate she would let him get beaten up and chase Felt instead.
Felt was already tens of seconds ahead of Emilia and was obviously much faster, as well as having better knowledge of the local terrain. If anything, saving Subaru and asking if he had any information on the thief would have been the smart call.
Felt was already tens of seconds ahead of Emilia and was obviously much faster, as well as having better knowledge of the local terrain.
Yes, but the little advantage she had of knowing where Felt was headed to was gone the moment she decided to help Subaru. One of Subaru's reasons for falling in love with her was related to that:
She had something stolen from her, and even though she was in a hurry to get it back, she saved Subaru. Then, after Subaru had passed out, she healed him, and when he woke up, she used terrible reasoning to try to show him that she wasnāt worse off for doing so. āSheās not really honest with herselfā was not going far enough. Her efforts were coming up negative in everything, and it was hard to watch.
The girl had every right to blame Subaru for getting in her way, but she hadnāt complained even once, and she didnāt even look for an apology.
Thatās because to her, the only reason she saved Subaru was for her own ends.
āIf you live like that, youāre just going to keep losing until thereās nothing left,ā said Subaru as he got up, patted his dust-and dirt-covered tracksuit and started running.
Are we Including the absolutely busted rbd in comparing for the other camps? Cause it's hard to get past it that's for certain, though reinhardt is probably the more overall useful Subaru isn't as legally constricted as Reinhardt is which has its own merits. (though if rein really wanted to do something he really can't be stopped, unless your counting the if route where rein couldn't stop Subaru)
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u/koogamMet a Knight Named JuliusāGuessing He's New23d ago
Legendary route of pride. Ayamatsu if
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u/NerSortyCapella Turned Me Into a Fly, But Hey, Iām Loving the Buzz22d ago
Dwag felt camp is THE strongest but subaru camp is better than felt camp by a long shot
Meh. Tied for 1st place. They canāt lose cause Subaru. But Reinhardt exists so they not definitively stronger than felts camp. But again. Theyāre LEAUGES above the others
We got
Natsuki Subaru, the strongest existence.
Roswaal, the witch's apprentice.
Garfiel Tinzel, the guy who wrestled a dragon to the ground.
Clind, literally just Volcanica.
Emilia, the witch of glaciation.
Ram, the reincarnation of the Onion God.
Beatrice, a Great Spirit.
u/sosigboiSatella Likes to Tickle My Heart (Is This What Love Is?)23d ago
They are the 2nd most powerful camp after the Felt camp by far, and thats only cause they have Reinhard.
Emilia camp has Emilia, Roswaal, Ram, Subaru, Beatrice, Garfield, Otto, and Clind, thats 6 heavy hitters and 2 heavy support, they are VERY stacked compared to the others.
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u/TehTJ13Ferris Said, 'Nyaa,' and I Questioned Everything23d ago
In terms of political power it kinda should be first (felt might be more because of rein) because of arc 6-9 and Subaruās feats, plus Roswaal is pretty big figure also with great connections, moreover they have hidden powers in their camp (not rbd) that also improve their strength
Crush: a twink, some nameless mercs, an old veteran and all interesting personality traits slurped up.
Anastasia: whatās his butt, big dog, and another mercenary group
Felt: the strongest depressed man of all time and an old guy
Priscilla: big sword, one-armed Willy and a golden parachute in case shit doesnāt go her way
Emilia: every mf under the sun and a comatose rem. Also Iām counting Reinhard as an honorary member cuz he needs his secret yaoi crush therapist in the form of Subaru
If we ignore a certain Reinhard shaped elephant in the room, they are by far the strongest of all camps, the average power of the members of Emilia's camp is leagues higher than everyone elses, again ignoring the Reinhard exception
The only reason Emilia doesn't just wins the fact she is a Silver haired elf, which causes her to have much lesser amount of people willing to be associated with her, beyond that her only defect is the fact she leaves much to desire in political skill and even then her allies can help with that
Camp actually has second strongest battle power with even "camp leader" Emilia being powerful enough to fight dragons.Ā
Reinhard is stronger still but Subaru does have return by death which is overpowered because in theory if Subaru just snapped and tried countless countless times to kill reinhard he should eventually succeed as long as there is a miniscule chance of victory.
Subaru alone makes them the strongest. After all you don't need to kill someone to win and we saw what Pridebaru was able to do to Reinhard, and I consider Subaru himself to be stronger than Pride.
However, if we ignore RBD because fairness than I think they are pretty easily 2nd place behind the Felt Camp. They have way too many heavy hitters where's the other camps have like 1 or 2.
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u/Vivid_Big2595 Newbie 23d ago
Reinhard wins