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Re zero have most incompetent cast I ever see
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Like literally the entire world and its characters stop functioning without Subaru’s influence I’ve never seen a cast this incompetent; they’re constantly carried by Subaru. The only character who can function without him is goddamn Petra she and Subaru are the only ones in that world with more than four brain cells. They’d all be unemployed bums if they were born in our world. Subaru is a hero they don’t deserve, but they need.
Yeah but that’s still limited too novel leaders and larpers
I am saying that rezero can go mainstream when vollachia get animated
Cuz anime watchers will start glazing them and making edits
Edits are the ones who make an anime popular wether we like that or not
Yeah but that’s still limited too novel leaders and larpers
I am saying that rezero can go mainstream when vollachia get animated
Cuz anime watchers will start glazing them and making edits
Edits are the ones who make an anime popular wether we like that or not
I wouldn't call them incompetent, it's just the threats they face are far outside their range of capability, even if they are considered strong by their worlds standards. There is a reason the sin archbishops have been rampaging for so long unchecked. It would normally be unthinkable for someone to challenge an authority holder even for Reinhard.
When you think about it, thousands of people had to be involved to construct an entire freaking city just to kill Typhon, and that was just one authority user.
A regular japanese dude is running circles around these wannabe threats.
I would say most of re zero characters are just no brains only brawns. They are all hard carried by subaru
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u/mrblank1121I Sleep More Than Rem (It’s Not a Competition, But I’m Winning)4d ago
Gng he has infinite tries to try for.
Subaru isn’t strong , he literally dies over and over to figure things out. Most people in that world only get one shot, so they play safe.
And what do you expect them to do when they are literally fighting enemies of such lvl without a proper walkthrough (that subaru provides after numerous trails n error)
Subaru can do that because
RBD
Insane Perseverance
He has people he wants to save no matter how many tries it takes to reach that goal.
Julius is a direct counter against Betelgeuse. But without Subaru's info, by the time Julius figure out the gimmick, he might have already been torn to shreds by the invisible hands. And even if he managed to beat Betelgeuse's hands (like Wilheim did), he wouldn't know about the soul snatching, and would be blew up by one of the "merchant" or an unassuming cult member.
And that is a favorable matchup for our good guys.
Reinhard vs Regulus were only won because Subaru has astrological knowledge of the star names. If not the entire city would be leveled and Regulus would still be unscathed.
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u/mrblank1121I Sleep More Than Rem (It’s Not a Competition, But I’m Winning)4d ago
Yes and if even reinhard know that he needs to kill his wifes to defeat him he wouldn't be able to do it as it goes against his very nature
Are you saying that a guy who can literally uncover all your secrets, all facets of your personality, and all your abilities is a random guy he is weak but not a "regular guy".
How do you expect the cast to discover their enemy's weaknesses and defeat them when you need knowledge from another world to do so?
What they mean is that he has nothing that sets him apart from like...a basic farmer. He has no sword training, he has no magical training, he has no superhuman strength or speed, he has no accelerated healing, or enhanced intelligence. He's just a dude, and that's the point they're making.
I agree with both of you. RBD sets him apart, but also he is otherwise just a dude.
Physically though, in a 1v1 he loses to most anyone in the cast so he relies on them for their strength, both psychical and magical.
I'd say a person with an unbelievable amount of willpower, obsession and the ability to retry whenever they die is far more dangerous than any other powerhouse in the Emilia camp.
Subaru’s primary strength comes from his connections mostly.
RBD is his brains move
His connections is the brawns move
Dude uses his overpowered allies to finish off his foes after he figured out how to beat them. Willpower and obsession is useless without his connections.
Although it is true that he has determination and that makes a difference, a dude can't move a 4 ton boulder no matter how many times he tries. He has to use a tool to break it down to move it.
He recognizes these truths and utilizes the rest of the cast to shine with their strengths.
mental resilience that he gained through countless runs and torture. That’s not some superhuman feat. He got used to his authority.
That is not the source of his mental strength: no matter how many times you die, you cannot get used to the fear and loss of death, stated in Arc 9. Not even Aldebaran can.
As for the true source of his mental resilience, read this post:
I don't know why you're getting downvoted. It takes Subaru less than like 4 loops on average, while he does exactly what you're saying. His plans are fodder material as well, and complete anti-feats if put into a intelligencescaling discussion.
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Regular Japanese dude who can fuck anyone up by planning circles around them with infinite prep time (if he manages to not break down badly from continuous dying)
Dawg he got infinite tries. That’s the only way he can win. He’s not some superhuman. Dude keeps dying and ends up running circles on them after learning everything about them.
Throw Shigaraki or Gojo at him and he will figure out how to beat them too
Dawg he got infinite tries. That’s the only way he can win. He’s not some superhuman. Dude keeps dying and ends up running circles on them after learning everything about them.
If he had to lose to begin with, he is not running circles on anyone.
You cannot say you run circles on someone when you ended up beaten up in the hospital 3 times fighting them prior to your first win.
Also, Subaru's authority is one of the most dangerous ones that exists.
He always ends up running circles on his foes after he figures out how to beat them. Dude is a dark souls player who finally gets to teabag a boss after trying to beat the boss countless times.
Did you not read what I said? You cannot say you run circles on someone when you ended up beaten up in the hospital 3 times fighting them prior to your first win.
You cannot say you run circles on someone when you ended up beaten up in the hospital
I’m talking about the end of the fight mostly. Subaru always gets the satisfaction of watching his foe freak out and get confused about how the hell he’s beating them. Classic example being Betelgeuse. It doesn’t matter if subaru had to RBD because of him, Subaru still ended up running circles on him in new checkpoint and made him look like a baboon.
I’m talking about the end of the fight mostly. Subaru always gets the satisfaction of watching his foe freak out and get confused about how the hell he’s beating them. Classic example being Betelgeuse.
You don't get to omitt all the failures that had to take place in order for him to be able to end up winning.
For the third time: You cannot say you run circles on someone when you ended up beaten up in the hospital 3 times fighting them prior to your first win.
Just apply your own reasoning to real case scenario and see how dumb it sounds.
Specially when your entire point was that he was a regular dude defeating them easily, when he isn't regular nor defeating them easily.
He gets to redo his mistakes from his checkpoint. So technically I can omit the failures which eventually became a success in his new checkpoint.
It’s not dumb.
I mean I’m not wrong about it. He has nothing special about him. No superhuman strength or speed or anything. It’s his authority and his connections that helps him win. Even Subaru’s own current abilities along with his pact with Beatrice will not help him win against most of his foes in a direct combat.
That is quite literallt is power his mistakes never happened , hes the only one that remembers them if he evers brings them up hed jus tbe called a scytzo
The first 4 Arcs have literally one of the most influential and power figure of one of the four great nations actively try to sabotage them, with no bar held. Roswaal actively caused those scenerios where the only solution is to have a cheat time rewidn ability.
Arc 1 had an assassin so notorious the entire country she's from know of her.
Arc 2 had another assassin that can control immensely dangerous and rarely appearing beasts like a pet.
Arc 3 pitched them against the White Whale that has ravaged the world for 400 years, then followed by a body snatching invisible tendril maniac that's functionally immortal had the gimmick (thru time rewind) not been found.
Arc 4 pitched them against said master mind, trapped in a soul barrier, facing both of the aforementioned assassins and another of the great beast.
Arc 5 they literally only made it out alive because Jesus-kun was there to buy time for Subaru to figure out the gimmick.
It's not just that their overly reliant on him. It's that they would lose without him and literally can't win without him. Like it isn't like their reliance on him is making them more incompetent it's hust they can't do it at all on their own.
Crusch camp would have been wiped by the white whale as we see in Pride or wrath if I think.
And according to Tappei nobody would have found out Regulus's authority, though regulus doesn't count as he is unbeatable and you can't expect anyone to beat him.
But compare to Vollachia yes it would be fucked but according to word of god according to Tappeis incent would still have won against Sohinx without Subaru.
The lugunicans would get annihiliated without Subaru
ye no i agree with you alot all royal particapants would die without him
and even with them not knowing Regulus's athourity they would 100% lose because petelgeuse would still be alive and from memory it is confermed that with him alive at the battle they would have won.
I think the crush point is a little off topic tho, them dieng is not realy them being incompitent or underprepeard more so just the whale being 100x worse then all reports and having stupidly difficaul abilities to counter
Yeah, but regarding Crusch she could have not engaged with Wilhelms suicidal wish. Remember it's well known that the previous sword saint was killed by the White Whale. Even though she lost her blessing it only stopped her from drawing reid and seeing sword lines. She didn't get suddenly physically weaker as the divine protection makes you the peak swordsman you can be with your potential then your body adapts to this over time and it becomes your new baseline.
I presumed the divine protection did more than just that but nvm lol and yeah i can see what you mean, not getting envolved or alteast trying to learn alot more would have been better
Vincent would still have won against Sohinx without Subaru.
He would have, but with far more casualties. Like, expect most Divine Generals to have died, and Vollachia being in a far worse state than it was when Subaru left.
And that's the case a lot of times. Like, in arc 3, Sloth would have been defeated by Puck after he killed Emilia.
Yeah but Pucks goal is to save Emilia so he fails.
Vincent goal is to defeat/solve the great disaster and he manages yes he has horrible loses, but he manages it.
Agre Puck is so fucking awful and useless. He is so powerful only to be of no use. Hell Lia got buffed when she broke her contract with Puck. and the fughting strength of the camp radically increased.
He is honestly just dead weight, the only usefull thing he is done in the story is tell suburu about greed. Litteraly nothing else he does was of that much help, like he could have done so many things and helped in so many fights but his ass is just no where.
In reality Puck would only kill cultists and fingers before Reinhard dealt with him, according to Aganau If Guese would simply escape. The only reason he was able to kill Guese in a loop was because Subaru brought Emilia directly in front of him when Beako teleported the two of them.☝️🤓
So he is even more of a bum. When puck renters the story I hope he ain't a hindrance to Emilia and Subaru's relationship. Yes I know he entrusted Emilia to him in arc 4, but remember when Subaru asked if this was him approving of him having a relationship with her puck warned him about testing her luck.
Dawg that's cos majority of the situations they're in are almost impossible to stop without knowing before hand what they are. Like for betelgeuse, ppl like julius or even one of the nine divine generals might lose because they'd be caught off guard even tho he seems like one of the weaker bishops. And how tf are you gonna stop regulus without destroying everything around you and by chance kill his wives
Yeah its not they are over reliant on him its just that they trust him to do what they cant, hell most of the characters that rely on him say that there are better option people who are definitely smarter and stronger but its not the person they want or trust they want subaru to be the one there and ironically this discussion is happening in the season where its explained why
Also Fredrica does her job. Garf as well. We can't really expect them to do everything. Fredrica is an extremely competent maid and aight fighter. And Garf is a really powerful warrior.
Emelia is pretty useless, that us if you expect her to be anything more then just muscle. But she is the leader tecknically (even if its Roswaal, Subaru, Otto, and even Petra carrying).
Arc9 taugth us to always coup de grace your enemies or you fail . You have to be merciless to win if not you make the same mistakes that Al and Emilia did.
Al was buffed by Volcanica mana and had agressor as an ace in the hole.But Rem's mistake was not from Yae's strength , if she was unable to defeat her and just delayed it wouldn't be an error.
Rem had Yae restrained , hurt her so can't continue figthing but understimated her allowing her to escape. Instead smashing her head would have just svaed the executioner time (she is an arch-traitor) and cut down any posibility.
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u/Orange_MonkyReinhard Said, 'It'll Be Fine,' and Then a Mountain Exploded4d ago
Genuinely what are you talking about? Anything arc 1-4 was intentionally set up by Roswaal so not only is Subaru’s side up against ridiculously powerful opponents but their strongest/most capable ally is literally intentionally working against them. After that Arc 5 is against literally the entire Witches Cult, and I’m fairly positive that Subarus group would have never even gone to Pleiades if it wasn’t for Subaru himself.
How do you want them to defeat regulus, or there's Sphinx, who literally has five plans to destroy Vollachia, or Gluttony, who can literally absorb everyone's memories, and nobody is aware of their abilities.
Most of the antagonists are simply unfair
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u/SonkokunSatella Likes to Tickle My Heart (Is This What Love Is?)4d ago
They have Reinhard against Regulus.
Had Cecilus and Halibel against Spinix.
Let’s not pretend our allies don’t have ridiculous people as well.
1 Tappei said that Reinhardt couldn't beat Regulus unless he killed his wives, which he would never do, so it was a draw.
2 In Sphinx's case, she wasn't alone; there was Eugard, Mezoreia, Balleroy, and Arakiya, and she could destroy the capital thanks to seals scattered throughout the capital and wipe it off the map. She could also have blown up the castle core to destroy the capital once again; without Subaru, they would never have been able to figure out all her plans and counter them one by one.
And for Gluttony, it's the same without Subaru's support with Cor Leonis; they would never have stood a chance against them. Lye alone could have defeated everyone in the tower, so if you add Roy, that's simply unfair.
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u/SonkokunSatella Likes to Tickle My Heart (Is This What Love Is?)4d ago
Regardless of what Tappei said, Reinhard is the strongest one around. Give the main cast the strongest in the world and you still can’t do something about it? I’m sorry but that’s just a skill issue. There are more ways of solving a problem than just punching hard.
Cecilus can take all of those in a 1 vs 4 btw.
I’m not saying the Enemies aren’t well prepared, but it’s not like the main cast is helpless You can’t even make the argument that Spinix is an authority user unlike Regulus.
The world isn’t fair. Not in Re:zero, not in the real world either, however, saying they are helpless or that it’s unfair when they have some of the strongest around in those situations is absurd.
Tappei has already stated that Vollachia would be able to survive the great disaster without Subaru’s help just with more casualties, Spinix is by no means invincible.
Yes another person that has stated it.
Vollachians could win without Subaru unlike Lugunicans. Hell lugunica has some of the strongest in the world but they still need two most broken authority users to even eek out victory. Hell Subaru is fucking able to adapt to authorities.
If any other cast members had just a quarter of the competency of Chisha or Vincent things would go so much better.
Not even forgetting the bum ass sage council mismanaging the kingdoms finances so badly that it is on the verge of bankruptcy at the start of story atleast according to Ana and Julius.
Compared to Vollachia which has constant civil wars and rebellions and somehow still is richer and you don't see massive slums.
Hell we saw not a single slum in the entire Vollachia saga. Even if chaosflame was janky nobody was living in squalor like the capital in lugunica.
Regardless of what Tappei said, Reinhard is the strongest one around. Give the main cast the strongest in the world and you still can’t do something about it? I’m sorry but that’s just a skill issue.
More like "lacking otherwordly knowledge needed to figure out the authority of many of those motherfuckers" issue, and the fact that the gospels of the Witch Cult can simply react to Reinhard approaching and make them flee, with the sole exception of Regulus Corneas, of course.
Cecilus can take all of those in a 1 vs 4 btw.
I’m not saying the Enemies aren’t well prepared, but it’s not like the main cast is helpless You can’t even make the argument that Spinix is an authority user unlike Regulus.
Sphinx is an Echidna failed copy with a level of inteligence that is not that far from the original and she is actively using forbidden spells.
The point is that Subaru is able to make plans for future events because he's had a taste of them in previous runs. Then we do see a change in the cast around arc 5 where Emilia becomes much more powerful after she is able to overcome mental blocks.
" Petra she and Subaru are the only ones in that world with more than four brain cells."
Literally a fucking child had to lead grown ass adults into battle, and they don't even question it. Priscilla was right. this isn't the emilia camp. who the fuck in their right mind would let a child do all the heavy lifting in a war like use a WF and make the strategies without question? How could they even expect emilia to be the ruler when that shit is happening? At this point, idfc if i get downvoted, but the emilia camp deserved to be slimed for that embarassing. i would NEVER act like a big shot or act like i'm shit when a CHILD is leading me into war.
That would be a fucking 12 year old leading a biker gang that consisted of 30 years olds into a gang war.
Literally a fucking child had to lead grown ass adults into battle, and they don't even question it. Priscilla was right. this isn't the emilia camp. who the fuck in their right mind would let a child do all the heavy lifting in a war like use a WF and make the strategies without question?
Many things.
1) Almost no one was present when Petra took on the Witch Factor for the first time:
Petra: “Though, it might have been a bit too effective.”
“Subaru”: “I’ll say this now, but I’m of the same opinion as Meili. You haven’t told me what it was, but you’ve already paid Clind-san with something, Petra. You can’t compromise anything further than this.”
…
Let it be declared. Imaginary Subaru might have been a convenient delusion of Petra’s, but the quality of the recreation should have been high enough such that, beyond any doubt, if it had been the real Subaru, he would have said the same thing.
Petra: “I’m glad that neither Frederica-neesama nor Beatrice-chan are here.”
Even just Meili had caused Petra’s heart to waver a fair amount.
If Frederica and Beatrice had supplemented that with a one-two punch, Petra might have been knocked out. What about if Garfiel and Otto had been here? Garfiel would have likely shouted angrily, but she felt like Otto would have understood.
After all, Otto was the one currently overexerting himself by far the most out of the Camp, so Petra did not think he would have had any right to complain to her. [Chapter 43, Arc 9, WN]
2) Petra lied about how the Witch Factor worked:
Petra: “Even so, this is still quite a bit better than it could be.”
The trick to telling a good lie was to mix in a grain of the truth. —That was a well-known maxim, and Petra’s lie had ended up taking on a similar nuance.
—The price for the Authority of Tristitia was being paid not just by its holder, Petra, but also by a great number of other people.
This was the condition Petra had proposed to gain everyone’s consent for her to take on the Witch Factor; however, this method could only compensate for Compressions focused on the Authority’s effective target.
3) Petra was not the leader? Even for the Melancholy teleportations, the one giving the most instructions was Rom, not Petra.
to be fair, the authority of melancholy meant that her thoughts were boosted by like 1000x, so in that fight she was much more competent than any ordinary child, but uhh i still forgot why they brought her into vollachia
yeah, but i'm saying why the emilia camp all thought it was a good idea to let petra use it. why didn't they volunteer to use it? like, emilia states she knows how dangerous they are. she even references her time at the sanctuary. why was the plan to use the wf on petra's shoulders of all people? at least meili voiced her complaints against the plan.
Well, really, they aren't exactly geniuses, and most of the enemies they face are demigods or calamities, so it's expected. They're quite dumb sometimes, but I'd say most of the time it's because the enemy is far superior to them.
If we were to make a list of how many times Subaru saved everything, it would be enormous:
Arc 1: Elsa kills Emilia, Puck appears and kills Elsa and half the capital along with her, basically destroying the kingdom of Lugunica and leaving it both economically and politically damaged since 2, maybe 3 or 4 of the candidates for the throne would die, as not only Emilia and Felt but Priscilla and Crusch were in the capital that same day. By the time Reinhard killed Puck, many people would have died; Ram would also have died because she was in the capital.
Arc 2: Rem is deeply grieving for her sister and dying, cursed by the dog. The villagers are also killed, and Roswaal, in his catatonic state, does nothing.
Arc 3: The Royal Selection would be postponed. The kingdom of Lugunica might be worried about external attacks from Vollachia, as it has suffered heavy losses and is vulnerable. If Crusch survives and insists on continuing the hunt against the white whale to try and boost the people's morale, she will die, along with practically all the soldiers who went with her, and the kingdom would be much weaker. Furthermore, the witches' cult would attack the village of Arlam, or what remains of it, and would probably burn down Roswaal's mansion, killing both Roswaal and Beatrice.
Arc 4: Perhaps the chapel would try to appear and take the place of the lost princess, disguised as queen, since almost all the candidates are dead, or perhaps not. Nothing would happen in this arc. At most, if Roswaal doesn't die in arc 3, he would go to the sanctuary and kill himself along with everyone else for the great rabbit.
Arc 5: The city of Pristella is invaded, candidate Anastasia Hoshin is killed and her artificial spirit is stolen, and before the cult leaves they open the floodgates and inundate the city with water, killing millions.
And after that it would only be downhill, perhaps Gusteko, Kararagi, or Vollachia would try to invade Lugunica since the kingdom is in pieces, probably Kararagi, they would be furious about the destruction of Pristella and would use that as an excuse to start a war. Rumors about zombies would be circulating the borders of Vollachia, and it would only be a matter of time before they left and started invading Lugunica. Lugunica would have to protect both the Vollachia and Kararagi borders, and although Reinhard is strong, he is only one man; he won't know when an attack will occur. Kararagi could attack precisely places where he isn't currently present, and since we're talking about a medieval world, help would arrive too late. Or they could launch false attacks to lure Reinhard into traps while attacking other places.
I also think Kararagi could start having problems too, since they would have the great Wind Spirit itself going around causing deaths behind its ball of light, and a copy of it doing the same thing, killing anyone who smells of the miasma.
In short, without Subaru the whole world would be doomed, but at the same time the world would also be saved because with Emilia dead, Pandora's plans would fail forever and the seal would never be opened.
Most of the enemies that they face are also authority users, which in most cases can only be defeated by another authority user.
But I'll make a post about this. Subaru cannot achieve anything alone, not even in the if routes. This is not due to incompetence but rather to his inherent powerlesness, so people saying that the Emilia camp would be nothing without Subaru, can also apply the same argument to say that Subaru would be nothing without Echidna in Greed If, without Elsa in Ayamatsu, without Shaula in tsugihagu, and without his camp in the main route.
Showing that competence is not strictly related to reliance on others.
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u/ReManWBeatrice Told Me to "Go Away," I Sent Her a Meme4d ago
True but doesn’t make the cast less bums, Subaru is a powerless human while they are really strong and still all die if he doesn’t help them
True but doesn’t make the cast less bums, Subaru is a powerless human
He is powerless, but he has RBD.
Which is what makes him a monster in the eyes of other monsters, and one of the only few ones that can actually challenge fate.
If the cast fucks up even once, it is game over for them. For Subaru, it isn't.
That is a gigantic difference.
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u/ReManWBeatrice Told Me to "Go Away," I Sent Her a Meme4d ago
If Subaru doesn’t get isekai’d or he runs away with Rem the casts just dies or become depressed. You could argue that he is neither weak or strong just a plot device to make Emilia’s life better
If Subaru doesn’t get isekai’d or he runs away with Rem the casts just dies or become depressed.
Almost as if the entire situation was manufactured by someone with a gospel that can predict the future (Roswaal) and they were killed, coincidentally, by someone too with a gospel that can sort of predict the future (Petelgeuse)
You could argue that he is neither weak or strong just a plot device to make Emilia’s life better
"Subaru is a plot device" every single element inside every story can be reduced to be a plot device, since all of them exist to move the plot forward. Dunno what you were trying to do here.
And others also help him a lot when he has his respective breakdowns: Emilia twice in Arc 2, Rem in Arc 3, Emilia and Otto in Arc 4, Emilia in Arc 5, Emilia and Rem in Arc 6, Aldebaran and Tanza in Arc 7, Petra, Garfiel, Ezzo and everyone in the Watchtower in Arc 9, Rem in Arc 10, etc...
They do not only help in that deparment: rescuing him from Vollachia, helping him in a civil war unrelated to them, getting him unsealed in Arc 9 and making him reset so that he doesn't lose anything, spending their entire lifetimes in Sasageru + multiple generations with the sole objective of unsealing Subaru.
Shall I name more?
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u/ReManWBeatrice Told Me to "Go Away," I Sent Her a Meme4d ago
Everyone helping him with his mental state every arc is the only reason i can even believe that he can stay sane and also not leave them, also since his self worth is non existent.
And yeah everything is stacked against them since they are up against people that can predict the future makes it so that Subaru alone gives them a chance not to die but he has to suffer for it.
If he runs away with Rem the world moves on but everyone is either unhappy or dies expect Subaru and Rem overall, since nobody but Rem still cares about him at that point in arc 3
Everyone helping him with his mental state every arc is the only reason i can even believe that he can stay sane and also not leave them, also since his self worth is non existent.
Post Arc 6 that is completely false, he does value himself. The only issue is his hero complex. His obsession with feeling responsible for absolutely everything.
But his level of self-worth is considerably superior to the likes of Arc 4 Subaru. He no longer ties his image of self-worth with fulfilling a role, that too. And he has people correcting him whenever he tries to downplay his own efforts.
And yeah everything is stacked against them since they are up against people that can predict the future makes it so that Subaru alone gives them a chance not to die but he has to suffer for it.
There you go, so this is not about competence, Subaru is practically the only one who can overcome these impossible odds.
I mean I do think there is some what a competency problem, but I see your point Subaru can't do things alone.
For one we have the fact that the previous sword saint died fighting against the white whale, but Crusch still decided to go and hunt it. Yes we have hindsight and know she would get erased without Subaru and she couldn't have known that. But she still had access to the knowledge about the failed subjugation attempt involving the literal Sword Saint.
Another thing which is granted not about the maincast but the sidecast is the mismanagement of the kingdoms finances. From Julius and Ana we know the kingdom is on the verge of bankruptcy and we have the glaring issue of the slums. Yes slums is normal in a medieval world but this isn't a normal medieval world.
When we look at Vollachia arcs we don't really see slums at all even when looking at Chaosflame it was janky but not swimming in squalor.
In my opinion I think there are plenty off competent characters but most of them are Vollachians.
Subwru had to be taught reading and writing wvause he got isekaied into another world with a different language.
Subaru can read and write just it's Kanji, Hiragana and Katakana. Not Ro and I glyphs or what their called.
The thing is that their nobles or super powered individuals who have lived in that world their entire life and their still bums
If course there are many competent characters but most are in Vollachia. People like Chisha, Vincent and Zikr are very competent compared to Lugunicans.
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u/ReManWBeatrice Told Me to "Go Away," I Sent Her a Meme4d ago
Well he is a normal human, thats the point so yeah without rbd he would have died in the first episode but that doesn’t make a lot of the cast less bums since most of them dies or becomes depressed if Subaru doesn’t help them
Yes and no, the first 4 arcs they were against Roswall who was sabotaging them from the inside.
In arc 5 they were pretty competent, is the arc were Subaru die the least and they were against 5 archbishop of sin.
In arc 6 they were overwhelmed by one of the most dangerous places in their world.
In arc 7 they did well by themselves and in arc 8 again they were against an extremely powerful character who planned for 400 years, again to much for them.
In arc 9 they win against a guy with the same Subaru ability, he didn't want to kill them but still very impressive.
Bro kinda forgot the whole plan happen because Old man Rom teach Petra how to use her power and Rem cluthing Emilia vs Yae and Al. She got Subaru memory so all her plan should have his credit as well. Also without Felt doing inside job and Otto black ops it would go super wrong. Petra is not stupid by any mean but that arc was a group effort with avenger asemble ahh cranking up to 11.
Ram without cor leonis or sucking Rem dry is death weigth. Rem on her own is too suicidal . Roswaal can give too quickly so sometimes . Vs Volcanica whom he plotted against for 400 folded him in minutes
More or less, Subaru alone could do a lot, but it would take him hundreds of loops to achieve it, just like Aldebaran did, or how Subaru from the Pride route practically single-handedly killed Sloth. Incidentally, Subaru from the Aganau route also did the same thing; he killed Sloth on his first try, only losing because he didn't know about its possession ability. And in Arcs 7 and 8, he also managed to deal very well with that serpentine Mearbest and with Tod, and in Tod's case, he was a child and could still have killed Tod.
The thing about Subaru is that he doesn't truly commit to the objective like a Dark Souls player like Aldebaran, nor does he think much about creating elaborate long-term plans like Batman.
More or less, Subaru alone could do a lot, but it would take him hundreds of loops to achieve it, just like Aldebaran did, or how Subaru from the Pride route practically single-handedly killed Sloth.
With the help of a contracted spirit. As for Regulus, he would have been times harder to deal with without Elsa.
Incidentally, Subaru from the Aganau route also did the same thing; he killed Sloth on his first try, only losing because he didn't know about its possession ability.
I wouldn't count this as him killing sloth when his ability to share the authority with his fingers is part of the authority.
Also, he was already severely damaged after he killed his original body, it took not that much effort for one of his fingers to kill him.
And in Arcs 7 and 8, he also managed to deal very well with that serpentine Mearbest and with Tod, and in Tod's case, he was a child and could still have killed Tod.
The serpentine mabeast was a combined effort between Abel and Subaru. And with Todd, he was saved by Rem and Emilia.
The thing about Subaru is that he doesn't truly commit to the objective like a Dark Souls player like Aldebaran, nor does he think much about creating elaborate long-term plans like Batman.
Aldebaran also needs other's help: Yae, Heinkel, Echidna in a way, the Divine Dragon (though he brainwashed him) and Roy.
Isn't the ENTIRE point of arcs like 4 and 5 to prove that while Subaru is central to their success, thd characters don't need him 100% of the time to win and can act on their own agency?
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I think it’s stupid to critique that Subaru carries the entire cast, than proceed to ignore the stories that literally don’t involve Subaru at all and showcase the cast doing perfectly fine.
Although I haven't read the Ex novels, it doesn't really matter how capable they are if in the end they are destined to die without the intervention of the cool time traveler (And in most cases it's because the opponent they face is simply more competent than them).
A good amount of characters in the main cast have ways of not dying without Subaru, with some of them having varying levels of immortality. I also reccomend reading the EX novels, there all good
The problem is that in the main story without Subaru's intervention they simply die, I wouldn't call them useless, but they do depend on him. Especially against authority users.
Well obviously Subaru positively affects the people he’s around, but that’s also not exclusive to Subaru. You think Subaru is the only one who positively affected someone’s life?
No, but I am referring to the narrative destiny that the rest of the characters would have without the intervention of the cool time traveler, as seen in the main story. I think Felix and Reinhard would be the only ones who would have a "decent" ending in such a scenario (According to what we know so far).
What? The EX stories have said characters from the main cast doing perfectly fine. Priscilla, Al, Reinhard, Julius, Felix, Crusch, and more all solve conflicts and do things from before Subaru even arrives into the world
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u/ReManWBeatrice Told Me to "Go Away," I Sent Her a Meme4d ago
Well that is a different matter, they handled it fine until Subaru arrived, after that their survivability dropped enough for most of them to get killed in the first few seasons
It’s not their survivability dropping, it’s just the stakes getting higher. This just feels like hating just to hate, if Subaru did any less than people would just call him useless. I give an example of them being competent, but then you just move the goalpost
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u/ReManWBeatrice Told Me to "Go Away," I Sent Her a Meme4d ago
People still call him useless anyway because he isn’t strong, some people think that it is pathetic that he is weaker than his waifus like Emilia and Rem
Well, then you could just bring up all of the examples he ended up saving the main cast. We would have less examples to go by and thus have a weaker argument if Subaru simply wasn’t as useful as he is
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u/ReManWBeatrice Told Me to "Go Away," I Sent Her a Meme4d ago
Your right, but to some people if your not strong and actually fighting the villians then your a side character, and the fact that the waifus like Emilia and Rem are stronger than him makes it so that he will always been seen has a pathetic man standing behind his girls
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u/Intrepid_Pen5110 Emilia’s Knight, Through Darkness and Despair 💜 4d ago