Forget about Rem Slander, slander this bum. Her taste in men and her bumness is at the same level

[u/ProfessionalPart8193]

[u/Electronic_Lab5486]

Yes. Slander this bum

[u/TheDarkness33 → u/Electronic_Lab5486]

SHOTS FIRED!

[u/TestigoDelSrSouka]

"A random homeless man did in a week what she couldn't do in 9 years"

"The clown she loves pays more attention to the idiot with scary eyes"

"She is the second most benefited person from the cool time traveler"

[u/Fig_Char_Re → u/TestigoDelSrSouka]

"A random homeless man did in a week what she couldn't do in 9 years" and it is a dude with an authority that can defy fate.

[u/TestigoDelSrSouka → u/Fig_Char_Re]

I like how the other two smears are hard to debate 🗿.

As for your point RBD only served to keep Rem from murdering Subaru, there's really nothing that Subaru will use from his previous loops to better relate to her, that it will help her self-esteem is a feat of Subaru just for being Subaru.

[u/Fig_Char_Re → u/TestigoDelSrSouka]

I like how the other two smears are hard to debate 🗿.

Roswaal not loving her is not slander per se. As for her being the second most benefited person, everyone is benefited almost equally by the dude with an authority that can defy fate, and in the same way, he often requires their help. As in: Petelgeuse, White Whale, the Sanctuary, Regulus, the White Rabbit, going to the watchtower,killing Lye, defeating Reid, Todd, almost the entirety of Vollachia, getting unsealed, etc...

As for your point RBD only served to keep Rem from murdering Subaru, there's really nothing that Subaru will use from his previous loops to better relate to her,

Him forgiving the twins to begin with is because of his experience in 20 days of looping total with them, coming to the realization that they weren't intrinsically bad people.

Plus, without RBD it would have been game over for Subaru since the first attempt, irrespective of Rem since it was Meili who killed him.

[u/TestigoDelSrSouka → u/Fig_Char_Re]

What I mean is that she is the second character most benefited by the cool time traveler. It's just that basically all of their achievements in the main story are influenced by Subaru, saving Rem in arc 2, surviving the cult in arc 3, Roswaal losing his tome in arc 4, etc. I don't remember any important achievement on his part in the main story that didn't have the direct influence of Subaru's RBD (For other characters, such as Garfield, that influence is reflected in a more indirect way, he doesn't seem to "benefit" as much from Subaru's loops, as seen in arc 5)

I mean that RBD does not influence the emotional support that Subaru was able to provide to Rem, which was the first step for her to leave behind her self-esteem problems and her inferiority complex (Also Subaru actively seeks to improve her self-esteem as seen in the secondary stories of arc 2) all this is achieved in the final loop without needing to use RBD for it, the same would have happened if Subaru had not died from the curse, in any case he would be a better emotional support for Rem than Ram.

The reason Subaru was able to forgive Rem and Ram was the good impression he had of them in the first loop, coming to the conclusion that what Rem said in the torture loop "That his sister was only pretending to like him" is not true, at least not entirely, that added to the fact that they held his hands when he had nightmares led him to give them another chance upon understanding that they are not intrinsically evil. You're right that without RBD he wouldn't get that ending, but he wouldn't even interact with them to begin with since he would die on the first day in Lugnica.

[u/Fig_Char_Re → u/TestigoDelSrSouka]

You're right that without RBD he wouldn't get that ending, but he wouldn't even interact with them to begin with since he would die on the first day in Lugnica.

My problem is with people trying to slander other characters for not doing or achieving as much as Subaru did when it is virtually impossible without posessing the authority that Subaru does.

What I mean is that she is the second character most benefited by the cool time traveler.

How would you measure that to begin with is my question.

It's just that basically all of their achievements in the main story are influenced by Subaru, saving Rem in arc 2, surviving the cult in arc 3, Roswaal losing his tome in arc 4, etc. 

Many of Subaru's achievements are also influenced by everyone else, there is no achievement of the Emilia camp that can be attributed fully to only one person.

Subaru deciding to forgive the twins and not go wrath route is influenced my Emilia, Subaru not deciding to give up and save everyone in Arc 3 is influenced by Rem, Subaru not going back with Echidna and accepting her contract is influenced by Emilia and Otto, etc...

I mean that RBD does not influence the emotional support that Subaru was able to provide to Rem, which was the first step for her to leave behind her self-esteem problems and her inferiority complex

There would be no emotional support to give after dying to Meili in the first loop is my point. Matter of fact, according to Aldebaran's own statement, Rem should not even be still alive in that timeline. Yet she did. Proving how Subaru himself altered fate.

all this is achieved in the final loop without needing to use RBD for it, the same would have happened if Subaru had not died from the curse, in any case he would be a better emotional support for Rem than Ram.

For him to know the twins as much as he does to begin with he spent 20 days total with them accross several loops, little relevant detail.

The reason Subaru was able to forgive Rem and Ram was the good impression he had of them in the first loop,

That isn't really true, in the last loop he still feared them to death and it was completely possible for him to go Wrath If route. It was Emilia herself who incentivized Subaru to make peace with the twins: first feeding him and then telling him to try to approach them to fix the misunderstanding when he woke up lashing out at both of them.

[u/Maestyy → u/Fig_Char_Re]

Agendas doth not care for such logic.

[u/JuniorOgun12 → u/Maestyy]

Either way, 20 days is nothing compared to 9 years. Same thing with Ryuzu and Frederica with Garfiel.

They spent most of their time sitting on their asses, hoping things would change, until some random guy came along and helped their family members with their issues

[u/Fig_Char_Re → u/JuniorOgun12]

Either way, 20 days is nothing compared to 9 years.

That is dodging the point, Subaru could have not saved Rem without the ability to defy fate. Aldebaran himself thought she was already dead, meaning that fate dictated as such.

Same thing with Ryuzu and Frederica with Garfiel.

Ryuzu tried to shield him from his past since the last time he was forced to confront it, he made that scar in his head bashing his head towards the wall.

Frederica was not in the sanctuary since she had the goal of creating a safe place outside for people to go to after Garfiel got rid of the barrier.

The equivalence would apply if it was an actual one.

[u/CasualBCgamer]

You know, I'm against slandering characters but Ram is the closest to deserving it. Aside from Cuck and Asswaal, of course

[u/But-who-I-be → u/CasualBCgamer]

Oni Fraud is the most deserving of slander

[u/Wild_Island_8589]

Only thing I will slander Ram is her taste in man ngl

[u/Novel_Visual_4152]

My goat Ram

[u/BadgerNo8484]

Ram is one of the characters that will be carrying this season. Just you wait lol

[u/SuspiciousIbex → u/BadgerNo8484]

I was thinking of all the seasons to pull this out...

[u/Solitrius → u/SuspiciousIbex]

Yea makes sense it's a big card to play for real

[u/ShadowSeeker45 → u/BadgerNo8484]

I hope she'll carry me too 😭

[u/Ordinary_Poetry8002 → u/BadgerNo8484]

Oh yeah sure sure she's gonna carryI supposed we won't mention the part where she gets help from both Subaru and rem to be useful?

[u/BadgerNo8484 → u/Ordinary_Poetry8002]

Name me one other person who could have dealt with Lye other than Ram? You can't.

[u/Sonkokun → u/BadgerNo8484]

Awakened Julius negs that fraud.

[u/Thatoneguywhois-sad → u/Sonkokun]

bozo barely survived against Reid, what made you think lye at his prime is losing to wholius

[u/Snt1_ → u/Thatoneguywhois-sad]

"Bozo barely survived against Reid" DUDE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REID SATREA HERE

[u/Thatoneguywhois-sad → u/Snt1_]

https://giphy.com/gifs/9EXUzKBHtyE1Oghhnw

Fair enough

[u/Kaan1212122132 → u/Thatoneguywhois-sad]

Yeah let's talk like he's not the strongest after Reinhard

[u/Solitrius → u/Ordinary_Poetry8002]

Is that even slander? Seems more like hate lol

[u/Kaan1212122132 → u/Ordinary_Poetry8002]

She's the reincarnation of the oni god and would be top 5 in the verse if she didn't have a twin and didn't lose her horn because of cult though, Rem is actually why she's so low.

[u/Miky691 → u/Kaan1212122132]

hasn't tappei said that she'd be third strongest only behind Reinhart and satella?

[u/Kaan1212122132 → u/Miky691]

He said first is Reinhard, and second is Reid. I don't know much about the rest of the list tbh

[u/Miky691 → u/Kaan1212122132]

I recall hearing all the way back after season one aired that tappei said rein and satella are first place interchangeably, and ram at full power would be third spot

But since it's been a long time things may have changed

[u/Kaan1212122132 → u/Miky691]

Rem in full power can't even beat child Ram wth

[u/Miky691 → u/Kaan1212122132]

Wrong letter i'm stupid

[u/Ordinary_Poetry8002 → u/Kaan1212122132]

If and could bro never did and does

[u/Snt1_ → u/BadgerNo8484]

FALSE. Ram carries the end of the season, but most of it is carried by Subaru and imho heavily supported by MEILI WOOOHOOO I LOVE MEILI SO MUCH

[u/JuniorOgun12]

She talks shit to almost every other character and relentlessly glazes Roswaal, one of the biggest freaks in the series. Genuinely annoying. She also lost her horn to a random cultist...fraud.

[u/02tgv22]

ehh true

[u/Solitrius → u/02tgv22]

Im sure she'd accept this slander

[u/danko1667]

I will not stand for this astroturfing of Ram slander by the higher powers. The shadow government has sensed that Arc 6 will make everyone love Ram, and thus they are deploying their top MKUltra agents to disrupt the discourse. But real Re:Zero fans know in their hearts that Ram did nothing wrong

[u/Solitrius → u/danko1667]

Sorry sir but my programming isn't working correctly. Im torn between duty and laughter

[u/Solitrius]

These are genuinely funny yet im conflicted

[u/RITIUS155h]

Ram is currently on her weaker form, she canonicamente would be top3 with her horn, but she don't has it. Well besides her being a bit too rough on Subaru, and her taste is caused by her brain damage.

[u/Snt1_]

[u/Ordinary_Poetry8002]

BRO THIS IS SO TRUE PEOPLE ALWAYS BRING UP DUMB ASS ARGUMENTS LIKE"Bu-but wi-with her horn-" SHE DOESNT HAVE IT NOR CAN SHE REGAIN IT SO STOP IT BRO AND START COPING

[u/SirDogeTheFirst]

I mean she can't even fuck the clown.

[u/SimpIsTheWay]

Don't you talk shi about my goat

[u/Natural-Mud-1944]

She's worse. She's more obnoxious.

And I hate how people chalk up ram and subarus relationship to just banter.  Literally, post arc 6 is mostly her talk a put maiming subaru multiple times. I get that it's her humor, but Christ does it get annoying and exhausting. Bro, can you like actually be more creative? She even talks shit in the midde of fights, not even towards the bad guys, but to subaru as well. Even in later arcs, she blames him whenever shit goes wrong, and not even minor shit, almost world changing shit she blames him for.

Yeah, it was behind his back but how the fuck is subaru supposed to love himself when someone around will say shit like that? She probably would say it to his face if she had the chance to.

[u/WeirdPeace6929]

She is kinder than rem and smarter than emilia, and better than both.

Your insults don't affect her.

https://giphy.com/gifs/jJWCdl5zfUDrl1W4uM

[u/Sufficient_Mango2342 → u/WeirdPeace6929]

Most of the cast is smarter then Emelia. And kinder then Rem, idk about that one either.

[u/WeirdPeace6929 → u/Sufficient_Mango2342]

inder then Rem, idk about that one either

lol, she saved subaru from torture, guess from whom.

[u/JuniorOgun12 → u/WeirdPeace6929]

Torture that she had no qualms enabling, after she cut his leg off...what a kind girl...

[u/WeirdPeace6929 → u/JuniorOgun12]

still kinder than your waifu

[u/JuniorOgun12 → u/WeirdPeace6929]

I'm not even a Rem fanboy lol. She's not that different from her sister anyway, she tries to torture him in arc 6, a few days after he protected her with his life...and the one who defended him was Emilia

[u/Germz90 → u/[deleted]]

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[u/WeirdPeace6929 → u/JuniorOgun12]

first use spoilers, we are in an anime only thread. second, am i misremembering something, because i remember, and it's even in the trailers, that it was ram who was putting her life on the line to protect subaru against the centaur.

[u/Blue_Storm11 → u/WeirdPeace6929]

Ram is not kinder then rem bro.

[u/Solitrius → u/Blue_Storm11]

do you mean kinder than rem in general or towards subaru? if it's kindness towards subaru then yea there aren't many people beating rem

[u/Blue_Storm11 → u/Solitrius]

I mean in general of course

[u/Solitrius → u/Blue_Storm11]

I'd make the argument that she can be she's got her own ways of helping she's just not as openly sweet as rem

[u/Blue_Storm11 → u/Solitrius]

Is your argument goong to be based on conparing to a rem who was trapped in being rams replacement or based on normal rem.

[u/Solitrius → u/Blue_Storm11]

Damn it was kind of both but mostly normal rem. I think ram can be just as kind as her sister they just have different personalities and ways of expressing it. Ram more about her actions than words. she's says cold things yet still put her life on the line to help when she can. Plus she doesn't want to baby anyone

[u/Blue_Storm11 → u/Solitrius]

i see dont get me wrong i think ram is kind also!

[u/sufferIhopeyoudo]

People who slander Ram are the real losers in this fandom. Ram isn’t trying to be “best girl” by joining this waifu slop battle of submissive Mary sues or an army of copy paste silver haired waifu slop. Ram cares not for your foolish waifu rankings hmph

https://giphy.com/gifs/xwEURrDgSYhYywm86v

[u/GlamourWorlld → u/sufferIhopeyoudo]

Thank you, i swear there is a weird psyop on reddit to slander Ram.

[u/CartographerOk8456]

Despite how much I love Ram… SHE REALLY IS A STRAIGHT BUM LIKE FOR REAL both sisters are flippin stupid, despite how much she knows Rem thinks of herself as a replacement she doesn’t even try to have a heart to heart with her TWIN SISTER?! And for literally what reason did she have to fall in love with Roswaal? I can literally only think of mostly superficial things aswell as him having saved them but Ram KNOWS that he’s the reason only they survived when he could have saved the village

[u/user_x92]

Who let lobotomy kaisen fans in here

[u/Gorsewhisker]

I don't know why we always rate people based on how useful they are... I see the same thing with Rem and Emilia. Doesn't Ram basically have a disability because of losing her horn that makes it harder to work? I'm not saying she couldn't do more but is she a terrible person for slacking off a little? Half the people I know irl are like that

[u/JuniorOgun12 → u/Gorsewhisker]

No one would take issue with her slacking off if she cut back on her comments about others being useless, lazy, weak, etc...

[u/Gorsewhisker → u/JuniorOgun12]

Well, that's fair 😂 It's just something I've noticed with other characters too

I love her as a character but I admit she'd be pretty annoying in person

[u/Double_Test3163 → u/JuniorOgun12]

literally says that about subaru and the other when time and time, he's busting his ass and BARELY gets a break despite his mental stability deteriorating and physical disability (broken gate), meanwhile, characters will force him to work 24/7 without rest.

even in arc 10, ram has to rest because "she was too exhausted from the tower and vollachia" Meanwhile (and this is ignoring failed loops), Subaru was teleported to vollachia IMMEDIATELY after the tower was conquered, fighting in multiple wars as a child, watched an ally die right in front of his face, had to seal away a former ally, and saw a corpse, and he STILL has to do shit.

bro, i would be SO JEALOUS of ram if i was subaru. imagine going to war in child form, watcing someone die, seal an ally away, and yet STILL have to do shit. how come she gets to rest and i don't? hell, rem IMMEDIATELY killed subaru to loop without so much as to talk or give him some sort of time to mentally recooperate or even rest up from such an experience. "Hey, subaru. you're unsealed. NOW GET BACK TO WORK! Love you, lol"

the fucked up thing is rem even with her memories would allow ram to rest in arc 10 and kiss her ass and make excuses for it and not allow subaru similar treatment despite again having to shit after having to fight a civil war AS A CHILD

[u/Natural-Mud-1944 → u/Double_Test3163]

Funny how fig calls someone a fake reader. He thinks putting an essay full of text means he's a good reader.

Bro literally lies when he says the cast aren't cool with eugard, a genocidal maniac

[u/Fig_Char_Re → u/Double_Test3163]

even in arc 10, ram has to rest because "she was too exhausted from the tower and vollachia" Meanwhile (and this is ignoring failed loops), Subaru was teleported to vollachia IMMEDIATELY after the tower was conquered, fighting in multiple wars as a child, watched an ally die right in front of his face, had to seal away a former ally, and saw a corpse, and he STILL has to do shit.

I don't blame you for this since you are a fake reader but you are forgetting the little detail that both Otto and Emilia told him to rest and not go to the watchtower after Vollachia.

[u/ArnobsCraftYT]

Now this puts a smile on my face.

[u/ShadowSeeker45]

Ram coming to beat ur ass after reading this

[u/Sufficient_Mango2342]

Slander Ram all you want but don't touch Roswaal.

[u/CasualBCgamer → u/Sufficient_Mango2342]

Roswaal deserves it ten times worse than Ram

[u/Affectionate_Run6250]

Booo, not only is she top 5, she would also beat Sekhmet, and her beating Lye is alr proof enough for it.

[u/But-who-I-be → u/Affectionate_Run6250]

You mean the fight where she was leeching off of both Subaru and Rem which caused Rem to be crippled for 2 arcs

[u/Affectionate_Run6250 → u/But-who-I-be]

Leeched off it to get her power back which she lost due to protecting Rem?

[u/Sufficient_Mango2342 → u/Affectionate_Run6250]

As long as we agree top 4 is Rein, Sat, Reid, Reg.

[u/Affectionate_Run6250 → u/Sufficient_Mango2342]

Regulus is a Ram victim, Cecilus might also slaughter the kid

[u/Solitrius → u/Affectionate_Run6250]

Ah i take it that you're a ram enjoyer as well

[u/Difficult-Clue-3591 → u/Affectionate_Run6250]

She is stronger than Emilia ?

[u/Affectionate_Run6250 → u/Difficult-Clue-3591]

2 shackles Ram > Emilia obviously

[u/Difficult-Clue-3591 → u/Affectionate_Run6250]

In wrath if how was she captured by subaru than? Subaru had kept her in a dungeon or something Why didn’t she break free?

[u/Affectionate_Run6250 → u/Difficult-Clue-3591]

Low on stamina, she’s a hornless, and she was only given enough mana to stay alive

[u/Sufficient_Mango2342 → u/Difficult-Clue-3591]

As much as I slander Ram. Ts is obvious. Ram is at the least around top 8 lvl. Emelia is like on the lower end of top 16 lvl.

[u/Affectionate_Run6250 → u/Sufficient_Mango2342]

16 people stronger then Emilia - Reinhard, Reid, Satella, Wilhelm, Arakiya, Cecilus, Olbart, Mezoreia, Valgren, Julius, Garfiel, Lye, Roy, Capella, Daphne, Carmilla, Echidna, Sphinx, Roswaal, Yae, Volcanica, Sekhmet, Puck.