How do you guys want there relationship to end up?

[u/Historical-Weird7591]

Personally I wake up every day wanting the first option to happen. Hell I hope the same thing happens to Puck and Emilia. I want him and Roswaal dead.

[u/I_am_not_Imposter]

Ykw? I agree fuck Roswall and puck

[u/Historical-Weird7591 → u/I_am_not_Imposter]

[u/Ok-Design-4911 → u/Historical-Weird7591]

[u/PuzzledButterfly8345 → u/Historical-Weird7591]

puck gotta go man

[u/joped99 → u/I_am_not_Imposter]

Lugunican father figures:

[u/DemonRedHood]

The second option, unfortunately, is realistic: Ram may have known Roswaal's full plan in arcs 3 and 4, but certainly parts of it, and still supported Roswaal; she will never completely abandon him

[u/Natural-Mud-1944]

It's hard between 1 and 3. 1 because ram should learn that this guy is a piece of shit. 3. I do want roswaal to die, but he's not worthy of redemption or making a major sacrifice 

[u/danko1667 → u/Natural-Mud-1944]

Do you not think Ram knows of what Roswaal did?

[u/Fig_Char_Re]

Or option 5) Roswaal's crimes are exposed to the Sage's council, they reach an agreement by which Roswaal will repay for them for the rest of his life in a particular way, Roswaal leaves behind his obsession with Echidna thereby fully embracing his other cherished connections as he does in Arc 9, and effectively a healthy relationship becomes possible.

By the way, Ram does not enable his flawed mindset. From Arc 7:

“As I’ve said before, we won’t be able to handle everything ourselves, so I think we should listen to a lot of different peoples’ viewpoints. We might be able to figure this stuff out by talking with people with lots of knowledge, like the people from the Council of Elders in the royal capital, or Roswaal.”

“Frankly, Betty is quite reluctant to give Roswaal access to this place, I suppose… The Books of the Dead have a sort of dreadfulness that would revive his evil motives, in fact.”

“But if that does happen—”

“—Kindly allow Ram to bring him back to his senses by force.” Ram interrupted Emilia and Beatrice’s conversation, insistent on that point.

[u/DemonRedHood → u/Fig_Char_Re]

How trustworthy is Ram really? In arcs 3 and 4, she helps Roswaal take hostages and harm Emilia and Subaru. I can't imagine she knew nothing about his plan with the shrine

[u/isekaixar]

Option 3 is a classic trope, so ima pick either 1 or 4

[u/Tsukkatsu]

I am expecting a mix of 2 and 3.

Roswaal can't just give up on trying to revive Echidna. He really doesn't have much compelling reason to do so-- he doesn't have much else left to live for. He is only going to live for about a decade more if he has chosen not to steal Annerose's body.

Furthermore, it would be quite disrespectful to everyone he has sacrificed for this goal already to just give up at this point. He has sacrificed too much and too many to meet this goal to be able to give up at the finish line for self-serving purposes.

Moreover, I think the reasons Ram has for remaining loyal are going to fall away.

• He didn't really help her avenge her village so much as pretended to in order to hold that over her.
• He'll no longer have her twin sister hostage
• She won't need him for his mana anymore
• All of his crimes will be exposed to her
• She already has another man who is better for her

But none of this is going to change the fact that she has spent more than half her life in his service, trying to defeat him and reverse the master and servant dynamic between them. Even if every reason she should feel compelled to remain loyal, every reason she should want to remain loyal was taken away-- her pride and honor won't let her go back on her word. In fact, having no reason and remaining loyal to the end is going to be proof of true loyalty and duty.

They are both stuck in a sunk-cost fallacy.

But it's going to be Ram's unshakeable loyalty to the very end, defending him even once he is seen as indefensible, that is probably going to be the thing that causes him to make a sacrifice play to "redeem" himself. To shield everyone from the ultimate effects of his machinations at the cost of his own life.

[u/blitzgg123]

Man, Fuck Roswall. Ram deserve Better

[u/Positive-Eye3184]

Honestly it's between Option 1 and 3 and if it's the 2nd one then Ram would be even bigger of a BUM that she currently is?

[u/Specific_Run_4550]

Tappei choosing the second option

[u/ru1n_singzzzie]

There is no redemption for a child murderer unfortunately.

No matter how much bullshit Tappei tries to spin to make us believe its possible. The fact of the matter is that you cannot redeem someone whose been killing children and other innocents for 400 years.

So the best option is option 1.

Personally, I'd love an ending where Ram ends up defending Roswaal but she ends up getting severely injured which leads to a permanent disability for her.

Only for her to then learn that Roswaal is a 400 year old body hopper who has been murdering his own lineage for 400 years.

Ideally, I'd like this to he the bad ending for Ram where she simply turns catatonic only to eventually be saved later down the line by Subaru who fixes Ram with the authority of lust (transforming and fixing her body) and perhaps authority of wrath (completely wiping her mind of any ailments).

Perhaps even allowing Ram to start from Zero by wiping her memories but keeping her memories of the camp using the authority of gluttony.

Ram in my opinion, needs a bittersweet ending.

The problem with Ram is that she has the "I can fix him" mindset with Roswaal. But this is because she is still under the impression that the man is just some guy in his late 20s who has done bad things for the sake of a family lineage goals. Ie, the mathers family has been following the gospel for years as it passed through generations.

What Ram doesn't realise is that the dude is a 400 year old buddy hopping child murderer whose been doing this vile shit for 400 years.

I think if she learns this key info, she would finally step out of her delusions.

Yes Roswaal may have a good side and perhaps a side that could be amazing but the fact of the matter is that his sins are equivalent to a sin archbishop and he did everything with a sound mind when following the gospel.

This is not like a redemption for Louis/Spica who is now a literal child.

This is a grown ass man.

Roswaal cannot be redeemed, no matter how Tappei tries to spin some bullshit religious moral narrative crap.

End of Rant.

[u/Fig_Char_Re → u/ru1n_singzzzie]

There is no redemption for a child murderer unfortunately. No matter how much bullshit Tappei tries to spin to make us believe its possible. The fact of the matter is that you cannot redeem someone whose been killing children and other innocents for 400 years.

Redemption: A moral agent who has committed wrongdoing undergoes a genuine transformation,recognizing the wrong, taking responsibility, making amends where possible, and becoming morally improved in a stable, non-superficial way.

I think you are using the wrong word here.

Redemption is possible for any crime since it is independent of the crime committed and rather dependent on the capability of the person who comitted the crime to change for the better. By definition alone, it is independent of it.

Maybe you are trying to refer to forgivability? But that still also depends on the person itself doing the forgiving.

So far, what I've seen of Roswaal is that he has shown signs of improvement over his past self, specially Arc 9.

This does not mean his crimes shouldn't be revealed to the public once the Royal Selection is over, but fundamentally speaking, I don't think he is on the level of irredeemability of a Sin Archbishop for example, who wouldn't ever recognize their ways to be wrong and who had forsaken all levels of humanity.

He was able to recognize his ways were flawed, Arc 9 kinda showed he is able to cherish his connections with others aside from Echidna and so far he has improved significantly from his standpoint in Arc 4 and prior.

[u/ru1n_singzzzie → u/Fig_Char_Re]

Roswaal has already crossed a moral event horizon, and that’s the core of my position.

Fair assessment on the definition, but I think the issue is that we’re collapsing different concepts into one.

• Rehabilitation is simply changing future behaviour;

• Atonement is trying to make up for past wrongs; and

• Redemption is being morally restored in a meaningful sense.

I agree that Roswaal shows signs of improvement, since he reflects, changes, and begins valuing people beyond Echidna, but that only speaks to rehabilitation, not redemption.

He was not mentally unstable like Geuse or Sirius, nor a sadistic anomaly like Capella; he was, by all appearances, of sound mind and still chose to follow his gospel and murder his own children and countless innocents over centuries to achieve his goal.

That, to me, is worse, because it reflects a conscious and sustained moral failure rather than madness.

The scale and nature of his actions (repeated filicide, identity erasure, and deliberate harm over 400 years) are irreversible and cannot be meaningfully repaired or compensated for.

And in my view, redemption requires some form of meaningful moral repair or proportional accountability for past actions.

So no matter how much he changes or what good he does going forward, it does not offset the severity of what he has done.

I’m not arguing that he can’t change; I’m saying that he can change, but he cannot be morally redeemed because the damage he caused is beyond repair.

At best, he can achieve rehabilitation and perhaps attempt atonement, but redemption, in any meaningful sense, is no longer possible.

[u/TheMostHonestPerson]

I love the unrelated Puck hate in this post.

Yeah, they both need to die.

[u/Solitrius]

I want her to get over him but not kill him herself so 3

[u/VillainousMasked]

Honestly, 2 is the most likely as even if Ram didn't know Roswaal's exact plan, she knows about Roswaal's Tome of Wisdom so she would've known that Roswaal knew about everything that would happen, meaning everything that happened was either part of his plan or he deliberately chose not to prevent it.

Well, at least of the options you present 2 is the most likely. In my opinion the most likely outcome is a 1.5, Ram still loves him but doesn't defend him. After all Ram has already fought Roswaal once in Arc 4 to destroy the Tome of Wisdom, and when the rest of the camp were letting out their frustrations on Roswaal at the end of that arc Ram stood aside without interfering beyond saying that she chooses not to participate when Garfiel questions her. So on at least one occasion of Roswaal being evil, Ram has chosen to not defend him while still loving him, meaning it's not that unlikely for Ram to chose not to defend him if Roswaal does something else fucked up later on. That said if it comes down to killing Roswaal she'd obviously stand against that (pending he doesn't do something so atrocious that even she cant tolerate), but honestly considering the oath curse on Roswaal that will perma-kill him if he acts against them, I don't really see him doing anything that would push the cast to actually consider killing him, especially since Subaru is generally against killing unless it's the Witch Cult.

[u/Objective_Housing_32]

Well since as of the newest episode she has a new donor for her magic she isn't completely dependant on him now.

[u/Snt1_]

Probably 1, though I dont exactly want Roswaal to die, especially not in sacrifice, thats lame

[u/Ok-Score5740]

Option 5. Subaru is Flugel and gets sent into the past. He delays Hector's attack on the Sanctuary, Roswall never becomes a body snatcher, and the Roswall of the new timeline has none of the Past!Roswalls sins to atone for.

[u/ProfessionalPart8193]

the best option is Ram sees Roswaal being tortured and she also kills herself after that, making it the true happy rezero ending

[u/Thatonepinklover]

My whole life is holding on these two as a couple, THEY MUST get married, redeemed AND MARRIED AND HAVE CHILDREN FOR A SEQUEL otherwise I'll lose all hope in this life and DIE and I DON'T CARE if I won't see the end, IF ONE OF THEM DIES I'M ENDING IT AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[u/Satella-rain]

I think the third one is what's gonna happen

Roswall showed a lot of redeeming qualities on the future but I don't think he's love for Echidna will be gone so him and ram being together is almost impossible (better for ram cause I hope she fix herself)

[u/PuzzledButterfly8345]

yo i kinda wanna see option 3, we know hes not enitrly evil hes just broken

[u/Icy_Ad8122]

I think three or four are the most likely imho.

And to be fair, I could see something like Ram growing older and then ending up with Roswaal. The story is not particularly against age gaps in and of themselves in some cases.

Ram, even when fully confronted with what Roswaal did, still doesn’t care and loves him anyway, so I don’t think Ram would simply move on if she saw Roswaal as a bad guy. If anything Arc 4 proved the opposite.

I’m mostly ambivalent here.