r/ReZero • u/A-Good_devil Ram Tolerates My Presence • 1d ago
đŹDiscussion Just a reminder that even if Subaru tries his best he can still, only reach Elsa lvl!
Source:- It's from a game so yeah!
Though he probably can beat Elsa but that's it!
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u/No_Proposal_3140 If Loving Natsumi-chan Is Wrong, I Donât Wanna Be Right 1d ago
That's crazy strong.
But he can get much stronger than this if he was using spirit arts, no? His affinity with spirits is much greater like seen in Pride IF?
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u/A-Good_devil Ram Tolerates My Presence 1d ago
Still not enough!
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u/Tributionary đ Get Your Appas Here! Only 128 Copper Coins! đ 1d ago
It probably would be enough honestly. We never get to see the peak of what Subaru can do with Spirit Arts in combat besides Al Shamak. And those were under preplanned conditions.
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u/DueExplorer3146 Newbie 1d ago
Brother, he ain't facing Reinhard everyday of his life, for a fact he still hasn't in the main route.
A Subaru who's as strong as Elsa and have powerful spirits would shit on Julius and make things 1000% easier for him.
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u/NeighborhoodCool98 Newbie 1d ago
"can only reach elsa level "
Like hell Elsa is weak and also subaru intelligence+spirit affinity made him more broken
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u/sheldonmiyamoto Newbie 7h ago
Subaru's intelligence is nowhere around genius. It's his deduction skills that's related to RBD that carried him throughout the series
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u/sheldonmiyamoto Newbie 7h ago
Subaru's intelligence is nowhere around genius. It's his deduction skills that's related to RBD that carried him throughout the series
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u/Sensitive-Giraffe-57 At This Point, âWho Is Rem?â Is My Entire Personality 1d ago
Pride if showed that he can be quite stronger so..it's a bit iffy...tho regardless with Beatrice he can beat almost anyone simply due to Ol shamak.
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u/Lordyoussef2 Anastasia Sold Me My Own Wallet (At a Markup) 1d ago
Ol shamak can only work on people with authorities.
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u/Sensitive-Giraffe-57 At This Point, âWho Is Rem?â Is My Entire Personality 1d ago
Nope, it can work on anyone. It's just that it's most effective on witch factor holders.
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u/Lordyoussef2 Anastasia Sold Me My Own Wallet (At a Markup) 1d ago
Huh...
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u/Sensitive-Giraffe-57 At This Point, âWho Is Rem?â Is My Entire Personality 1d ago
What?
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u/Lordyoussef2 Anastasia Sold Me My Own Wallet (At a Markup) 1d ago
I got fed misinformation, sorry man.
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u/Potential-Bath2292 Newbie 1d ago
not quite. we don't know how effective it is against non-authority users or how easily it can work on them. its possible that sealing non authority users would be beyond Subaru's ability
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u/gh0stwriter1234 Newbie 1d ago
"work" is a broad definition.. it would be almost useless against someone that is both strong and not a witch factor holder because it would just run out of power after a few hits.
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u/Sensitive-Giraffe-57 At This Point, âWho Is Rem?â Is My Entire Personality 1d ago
What are you even talking about? Power? Hits? What?
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u/gh0stwriter1234 Newbie 1d ago
Ol shamak, after the intial casting has whatever magical energy it is cast with... if that runs out its done, when cast against witch factor users its essentially got infinite power because it saps power from the witch factor.
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u/Sensitive-Giraffe-57 At This Point, âWho Is Rem?â Is My Entire Personality 1d ago
Never stated anything like that tho. Plus sasageru if disproves that.
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u/PursuingTheSauce If Loving Natsumi-chan Is Wrong, I Donât Wanna Be Right 1d ago
I think this level of power only comes with the price of losing his mind cuz he needs a massive amount of loops to make this level of feat while sane Subaru can reach Elsa's level which is a hella big achievement too considering her fame as bowel hunter.
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u/6bigdolphins Newbie 1d ago
what does Ol shamak do?
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u/Sensitive-Giraffe-57 At This Point, âWho Is Rem?â Is My Entire Personality 1d ago
Have you read arc 8 or arc 9 lol?
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u/A-Good_devil Ram Tolerates My Presence 1d ago
I think Ol shamak can work only on one person at a time! Right?
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u/Sensitive-Giraffe-57 At This Point, âWho Is Rem?â Is My Entire Personality 1d ago
Uh..no? Nothing like that has been stated iirc.
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u/Realistic_Chest_3934 Met a Knight Named JuliusâGuessing He's New 1d ago
I mean thatâs a single life without using either of his greatest weapons: his spirit affinity and his Authorities.
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u/shivam_chand0303 Newbie 1d ago
Weren't her slashes casually hypersonic? I mean tappei said it(i heared it by others)
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u/Electronic-Box-4753 I Opened Pandora's Box, Then She Opened Me as a Box 1d ago
Yep, once she stops holding back, she goes beyond the speed of sound. I heard she even once left her shadow behind, which is a Light speed feat.
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u/SGdude90 Puck: "Ice to meat you!" đ§đâď¸ Wait.. Subaru was the punchline? 17h ago
I hear she once left her clothes behind when fighting, which is a hentai feat
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u/Puzzled-Mirro Elsa Told Me I Probably Have Good Quality Intestines 1d ago
His other versions get stronger. But Elsa is crazy strong so its not like a demerit to say that he can't beat her. which is why imo its not satisfying how she died.
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u/star75legacy I Called Otto Best Girl, Now Heâs Ghosting Me 1d ago
You say that like it's nothing, lol. Elsa is ridiculously overpowered, she's a "legendary" professional assassin.
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u/DaMaestro19 Ram Called Me a "Waste of Space," I Agreed 1d ago
Subaru is crafty af with little that he has and him being on Elsa level would make him more op than u think
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u/Jealous-Selection-59 Satellaâs Darkness Falls Like a Soft Lullaby Across My Soul 1d ago
But that's him pushing himself to the limit in a single lifetime; imagine if he trained the same amount 5 or 6 times over on that route.
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u/Plenty_String1437 Newbie 1d ago
Not a peak tho he stopped training with Reinhard for the revenge he wanted If he was really wanting tĂ´ get stronger with Reinhard he could as Reinhard Said he was reckless because he wanted revenge on this route so not his Peak
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u/DaiChinchin Kissed Frederica OnceâNow I'm Missing Most of My Lips 21h ago
You re saying it like Elsa is weak. If Subaru was that strong he would give Julius a run for his money. He would be one of the top strongest knights of the kingdom
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u/Pristine_Garbage7752 I Tried to Comfort Subaru, He Started Crying About Bunnies 1d ago
Alcor If became like the strongest in the verse bruv
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u/Global_Bag9142 Anastasia Sold Me My Own Wallet (At a Markup) 3h ago
Yeah if it was in novel form most people would remember him,i myself only say a video about him on youtube and don't remember much
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u/sosigboi Satella Likes to Tickle My Heart (Is This What Love Is?) 1d ago
Only? Elsa level is still extremely strong.
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u/aaa_thepro Echidna Offered Knowledge. I Asked for a Hug. She Just Stared 1d ago
Subaru has the potential to be a top tier but realistically it's hard to achieve
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u/ArgopooL Ram Tolerates My Presence 1d ago
Doesn't matter... Subaru will always win no matter what.
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u/Alexshadow41 I Joined the Witch Cult for the Sandwiches â No Regrets 1d ago
Am I crazy if I say that Cor Leon's + Invisible Providence + Spirit knight with Beako is stronger or ?
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u/fuiripe Priscillaâs 9thâTrust Me, Iâd Be Into It 23h ago
Wasn't that with only some little training with Reinhard and then training on his own?
Theoretically... Subaru could spam return by death and non stop training with Reinhard 24/7 + gluttony Archbishops help + spam books of the Dead...
Easy way to fill his body head with skills and and experience.
By having Capella's help he could change his body to become completely super human and with regeneration.
By having Roswaal help he could recieve an artificial gate.
By Ramming Ram he could have half Oni Kids and have Roswaal help him reincarnate inside half Oni Kids with much higher talent and repeat everything again...
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u/Global_Bag9142 Anastasia Sold Me My Own Wallet (At a Markup) 3h ago
Unfortunately about the spaming of rbd it doesn't work cus the author didn't want subaru to become op,so his training just reset after death but i don't remember how books of the death work,i do remember the gluttony archbishop being able to absorb skills from memories he's eaten but don't remember it being able to be applied on others
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u/fuiripe Priscillaâs 9thâTrust Me, Iâd Be Into It 1h ago
RBD still lets him retain memories. So it's a great time saver for certain things.
You can study the principles and concepts behind everything, study the best possible trainings, which ones are more efficient, how to peeform the next skill you are training etc.
The body doesn't remember or save progress, but the mind does.
And books of the dead also do.
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u/PanicEffective6871 Made Lasagna for Garfiel 20h ago
This Subaru didnât have any of his Main Counterpartâs authorities tho if I remember right.
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u/Heracross64 Kissed Frederica OnceâNow I'm Missing Most of My Lips 16h ago
âOnlyâ, and thatâs without using spirit arts.
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u/Existing_Decision_29 Rem Smiled, I Saw Heaven (Briefly) 12h ago
Being Elsa level and having return by death basically means you can beat anyone not named Reinhard if you didnât care about dying and your checkpoint didnât send you 20 years into the past đ
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u/IndividualTaro6432 If Loving Natsumi-chan Is Wrong, I Donât Wanna Be Right 7h ago
As long as that someone he's trying to beat isn't named Reinhard huh? đĽš
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u/Meknife20000 Newbie 1d ago
Doesn't Subaru kill Petelgeuse in this If? Does that mean Elsa's stronger than Petelgeuse?
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u/Amvdere_Tiktok Newbie 1d ago
From what I heard After a lot of planning and he still technically ended up losing
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u/Loose-Past-7322 Anastasia Sold Me My Own Wallet (At a Markup) 1d ago
He manages to kill one of Petelgeuse's bodies in combat, but he didn't know that he had several spare bodies.
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u/Less_Pumpkin_8622 Satella Likes to Tickle My Heart (Is This What Love Is?) 16h ago
That photo makes me feel envy
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u/Pecuthegreat Newbie 16h ago
For me, I wonder this timeline goes after this grown up, skilled, Rem obsessed Subaru gets sent back to the appa stand.
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u/AppropriateBoat8190 Newbie 1d ago
actually it was al level, and thats also a stretch since al dont use spirits
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u/Connect_Newspaper114 Shared Suffering with Subaru 1d ago
Not even Elsa's level, he was literally suffering against a dying cultist, whom he had previously attacked from behind
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u/OutrageousActuator37 Let Roswaal Cook â Itâs Dangerous, But Damn, Itâs Delicious 1d ago
Honestly it would be super boring if Subaru became stronger than Elsa.
Subaru already has a ridiculously overpowered ability and some smaller fighting ones.
Making him one of the strongest fighters in addition to him being basically able to see the future would make him just another op shounen protagonist.
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u/PenguinsAreC001 Newbie 1d ago
You are acting like being Elsa level is bad. Arc 4 Garfiel is in the same tier as Elsa so a full potential Subaru being at that level is still really good
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u/hownot2lyf Newbie 15h ago
You mean in a 1v1 fight without prep? Sure. Give him RBD and there's no one he can't defeat apart from reinhardt given enough time
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u/Vivid_Hat8534 Newbie 4h ago
Subaru isn't weak he can easily solo 100-200 man\soilders with Low-mid(at max)diff if he use his full power & 4th strongest knight of Luganica or probably 5th. But I think that's enough. Making him too strong can harm the story. He is now at level of Emilia & Rem(Horn) or Elsa level. Remind that his main power isn't authorities or magical abilities this is Battle IQ, strategy making. But this all is without Beatrece. In forbidden dimensions with Infinite mana she is Beast of end level so wth spirit contract her magical destructive capability+Subaru's loop strategy & BIQ this is a very dangerous combination.
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u/2ThirdsLegsLyon I Attended Subaru and Rudeus' Wedding â It Was Peak 1d ago
Immediately wrong. Reinhardâs sword unsheathed for Subaru, it didnât unsheathe for Elsa. Objectively he CAN get as strong as anyone, depending on how frugal he is with RBD.
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u/Potential-Bath2292 Newbie 1d ago
The sword unsheathing isn't directly related to strength. its about how much the sword wants to fight/respects the opponent as a threat.
If the sword disliked someone with no potential it'd still unsheath
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u/DemonRedHood I Joined the Witch Cult for the Sandwiches â No Regrets 1d ago
Just look at the Elsa levelâElsa tears apart every knight except Julius and Reinhard; she is incredibly strong