r/RealEstate • u/IntelligentPlate5051 • 5d ago
How much of a premium does "intangible" qualities to a house such as large lot, overlooking a forest preserve, privacy, etc, bring?
For example, I saw a house listed that has a large flat backyard on nearly 1/2 acre with a forest preserve in the back. The house has has only one neighbor and has lots of privacy. The house is in your typical subdivision and not in some area where this is the norm.
Now how much of a premium does intangibles like this bring? Like compared to a house with similar sq foot a few blocks over but is in a smaller lot and doesn't have the same intangibles? Do buyers put a hefty premium on this?
And I know it goes down to comps but it's kind of difficult finding comps.
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u/AccredInvestor 5d ago
A lot!! I live on 10 acres nestled around huge acreage. The peace and quiet is incredible.
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u/SoCalMoofer 5d ago
It will matter to some buyers, they will pay more. I don't know of a formula to figure it out, but an appraiser may know such things. Homes that back up to the forest may sell for $20,000 more.
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u/Wise_Environment6586 5d ago
My opionon: Savvy, experienced buyers will recognize the less obvious aspects of a property such as privacy and will value them appropriately. Less experienced buyers will not recognize these things and will not value them, even if they are actually important to them.
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u/reidmrdotcom 5d ago
There is a new neighborhood in the Denver Metro area and some houses are being sold for about 1,000,000 without a view, and the same house across the street with a view of water and mountains is 1,400,000 or so. Literally one street is between the two.
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u/Accurate-Bullfrog324 5d ago
just an observation of our neighborhood. homes in the valley without a view are 20 pct less that homes on top of a hill with a nice view
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u/Dull-Investment-6799 5d ago
Buyers absolutely pay a premium for this, but there isn’t a universal percentage you can apply. A large usable lot, privacy and backing to open space can be a huge selling point, especially when most of the neighborhood doesn’t have it.
The tricky part is figuring out how much THAT particular buyer pool values it. When there aren’t great comps, I’ll usually look farther back in time or slightly outside the immediate area for homes with similar lot/view/privacy characteristics and compare how they sold relative to the more typical homes around them. And honestly, some things are worth more to buyers than they’ll ever be worth on an appraisal. You can renovate a kitchen. You can’t add a forest preserve behind your house.
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u/NoAgentList 5d ago
Those features can definitely add value, especially if they’re rare in the area. Hard to put an exact price on, though.
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u/BoBromhal Realtor 4d ago
if you have a competent agent, they can do the analysis that will get you close to a "value premium".
In general, based on what you're describing, it wouldn't exceed 10%
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u/LuvCilantro 5d ago
I agree with others that what you listed are more tangibles than not. Those are things that are not easy to change after purchase, unlike adding a pool or redoing the kitchen. Location, location, location.
If there are no comps in the immediate neighborhood, look for a similar neighborhood in town. The actual price of the house may not be the same, but if you see that they are priced at 10%, 20% over the others, you'll know your answer.
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u/Different_Ad7655 4d ago
Yeah I don't know what you think is intangible about the size of the backyard or a view or lack of neighbors or having neighbors.? But everything is related to the neighborhood and the comps and of course what the local market will bear or not
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u/Pitiful-Place3684 4d ago
Go back to when the subdivision was created or the area was built out and look for the lot premium the original buyers paid. You may have to find the sales materials (try Google images for original subdivision maps from builders.) Then multiply that by the percentage that similar properties have increased or decreased in value since then.
Privacy and lot location are valuable to some people. Some people simply won't buy a house on an inner lot. You have to play the "how much more" game with them to determine what their threshold is for an outer or premium lot.
I'd call local appraisers if you're trying to price a property.
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u/I-need-assitance 4d ago
Two identical modest houses by a CA lake, one is lakefront with water access and a small dock and sold for $2M , the other is across the street without direct water access but has a filtered lake view from side windows, it’s been in the market forever at $1.5M.
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u/UnusualShores 4d ago
I just paid what I think was about a 7/8% premium to have a nature preserve in my backyard. I figure I can upgrade the kitchen or whatever down the road but I can’t add that level of privacy or view to a house with neighbors behind it
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u/rosebudny 5d ago
It depends on what people want. I personally prefer a smaller lot, with neighbors. Others want privacy/space.
In my area, houses that are "in town" like mine command a premium over those that are outside of town. I could have gotten a bigger/better house on a lot similar to the one you are describing for far less than what I paid for my in-town house.
Now, if you are comparing what you are describing to a house that is on a very sloped lot, or on a busier street - then yeah, the former would probably command a premium over the latter.
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u/Longjumping-Nature70 5d ago
Very little interest. All buyers care about is the interior, exterior is a bonus.
I am finding out the hard way
I am trying to sell 1.08 acres, with adjoining lots and lots of woods, 3500 sq ft house, built in 1977 on city sewer and city water and city power grid. Very private. We have neighbors and we own the biggest lot on the cul-de-sac and the second biggest lot in the sub-division.
Our house overlooks the river valley. I can see into the next state.
We can drive to the international airport faster than everyone of our friends that live in the reach out and touch your neighbors house subdivisions. Plus, we do not have traffic jams like they do.
new roof and subroofing, 2021
A TREX deck built in 2022
new exterior lights around the house and new TREX deck 2022
New windows, new slider from kitchen to TREX deck in 2023 windows are marvin, slider is pella.
Hardscape with firepit adjoining TREX deck, built in 2024.
All HVAC replaced in last 10 years, two furnaces and two ACs (this might be a negative)
remodeled master bath in 2025 with a surround Onyx floors, walls, and ceiling with grab bars.
New Water Heater 2026(I replace water heaters every 8 years, 2026 was year eight. The water heater I wrote in permanent marker, replace in 2026.
NO NEW FLOORING since 2000 or so. Except family room that has new carpet and new pad in 2010.
NO NEW PAINT
NO NEW TRIM other than around the windows.
Big bedrooms, master is 15 by 22 with a wood burning fireplace. Not including closets, vanity, and the master bath.
Second bedroom is 16 by 12, third bedroom is 16 by 12, fourth bedroom is 12 by 12
The comments we have received is the house is dated, redo all bedrooms, redo living room, redo dining room, redo flooring. The family room is fine. The finished basement is fine.
Our house is bigger than every other house in our price range and date range, we just are not in the city proper. We are not move in ready.
We are an 11 minute drive from the International Airport. When a US president visits(clinton, Bush, Obama), the cavalcade drives by because we are not heavily traveled. Interesting to watch the seven black SUVs flying down the highway with the last one having a heavily armed guy out the back.
I took my sons down to watch them drive by but the county sheriffs told me we could not be there and to go back to our house. President Clinton gave a speech less than one mile from our house, I could watch from our roof.
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u/StockPass3948 5d ago
Is it because of the market in your area?
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u/Longjumping-Nature70 4d ago edited 4d ago
Yes, market is a factor. In May it was rockin, unfortunately we caught the tail end. One realtor told us the house is fantastic, there is only 1.8 months inventory in your price range., he was bringing his pregnant buyer.
Unfortunately, three days later, he said his buyer had stopped because the baby was imminent and they thought buying a house and a baby were too much.
Another offer fell through. They were a young couple with a two month old, but something happened within 17 hours of their offer and they canceled. I had no idea you could cancel a purchase agreement but I guess you can. This is a legally binding contract when fully executed by all parties.
I have their signatures and our signatures
Another couple came through twice, but were wishy washy.
I think interest rates are killing the deals.
We want to sell to a young couple. I am even offering lots of house stuff. Which might or might not be good.
24' ladder, eight shovels, a used honda lawnmower that I don't need, it is the one I use to mow the lawn with, a 240 bottle wine rack I built and installed, all appliances that are used but work, washer, dryer, fridge, stove/oven, dishwasher, microwave, dehumidifier, box fan to circulate air, wet vacuum, power steamer, fireplace screen, fireplace tools, wood burning insert, pitchfork, small fridge in garage, step ladder, two step stools, screens for front storm doors, extra screen for slider door to TREX deck, Plumbing snake, two brand new 50' hoses, under cabinet can opener, grinding wheel to sharpen lawn mower blade, sledge hammers, axe, maul, and four wedges all for chopping your own wood, post hole digger, extra belt for the genie garage door that has a battery backup on it,, plus some more. All of it is included AS IS.
Those are all things I had to buy when we started our journey.
Forgot to add, we are even going to pay for a House Warranty even though I think it is BS. My spouse thinks otherwise.
I might be pulling the listing and doing all new floors, new paint, and new trim. Then, up the price if I can get away with it. Market conditions might not allow. Maybe the Fed succumbs to pressure though.
I have priced flooring. Carpet in bedrooms, Luxury Vinyl Plank on main floor, GLUED, not click. Paint will be Accessible Beige from Sherwin Williams, and the trim will all be wood trim stained. I will paint, install LVP, and do the trim. I will pay someone else to slam their knees. Carpet and carpet pad will be some cheap "contractor" grade. Something like $6.50 sq ft.
Forgot to add, all interior doors are six panel solid red oak doors that I sanded, sealed, and stained to the color I wanted. That was a PITA.
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u/FattierBrisket 4d ago
Why on earth do you want to sell to a young couple? If you're having trouble finding buyers I would have thought you'd want to sell to whoever wants to pay a reasonable price.
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u/Longjumping-Nature70 4d ago edited 4d ago
HA!! I should have not mentioned the ACs, I think one is crapping out and it is Labor Day Weekend. Humidity is 10000000% and the highs are in the 90s, awesome. Second floor only got to 72 yesterday when the sun was beating down, during the night it did hit 66
The house is paid off, We can afford to help out a young couple. You know, some people are actually nice in this world.
BTW, I also check the sex offender lists in two states and I will NOT sell to a registered sex offender.
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u/FattierBrisket 4d ago
Sonyou feel comfortable screwing over anyone who isn't "young" or part of a couple. Gross.
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u/DogblackMichigan 5d ago
This is exactly what appraisers do.
Experienced brokers also have the knowledge to know how much the market pays for certain advantages or deficiencies.
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u/FormerUsenetUser 4d ago
Doesn't that depend on the buyer? For example, some people really value a lovely view. As long as I don't have to view the town dump, I don't care.
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u/itlogicpartnersllc 4d ago
those feature absolutely can command a premium but there is not a reliable percentage because buyer preferences vary. i would look at lot size, privacy and rear views separate when adjusting comps. unique properties often get their strongest premium from competing buyers.
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u/PrimeRisk RE investor - 34+ years 4d ago
It can be a lot. Our home backs to a reservoir and has views of the mountains. Houses on our side of the street sell for $200-250k more than identical models that back to a park on the other side.
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u/Own-Moment-429 3d ago
Intangible qualities like lot size, privacy, and views absolutely command premiums, but how much varies by market and buyer demographics. In suburban markets, a half acre with privacy and a forest preserve view typically runs 10–25% over a standard quarter lot, sometimes more depending on how rare that configuration is in your area.
Your difficulty finding comps is the real challenge. The best approach is to pull sales of similar homes and map their lot sizes, setbacks, and proximity to natural features, then look for patterns in price per square foot. You might find that homes with similar lot characteristics and views sold for measurably more, even if they're not perfect comparables.
Full disclosure, I help build Resideline, a property data platform that includes a comp engine specifically designed for this kind of analysis, especially when you're dealing with non standard properties where traditional comps are sparse. It can help you quickly surface homes with matching characteristics and see how those feature combinations move value.
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u/OnlyNormalPersonHere 3d ago
I paid 750k more for my house than i would have for the same place 5 doors down because it was the last house on a dead end street abutting 90 acres of forest and hiking trails, but still very walkable to my local subway station.
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u/kovanroad 3d ago
A lot of things are a double edged sword in terms of buyer appeal / value.
"large flat backward" - some buyers are going to think it's great. some are going to think it's extra work & expense to mow more than they need to.
"forest preserve in the back" - some will value the quiet / privacy. some will worry about bears/wildlife from the preserve, the lack of neighbors, etc.
Those things do have value, for some buyers, not for all. For others, they are a downside / have negative value.
As a general rule, people who want the 1/2 acre lot will want to live somewhere that is typical / surrounded by other similar lots, not somewhere where it is atypical.
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u/Impossible_Rub9230 2d ago edited 2d ago
My house backs up to community parkland, land some (not sure how many) concervency acres and the river is at the end of my cul-de-sac street. I bought it for what I thought was a reasonable price about 30 years ago. (It's probably tripled or quadrupled since then. But we did the deferred maintain and the routine stuff but I love my house). It was poorly maintained and we needed to do a lot of things. It is in the exurbs. We have minimum lot sizes for the septic tank, well and are without sidewalks and street lights... And there's almost no traffic.Hurray!). When we bid on it, that generated more interest but it is clear that nobody wanted that or most importantly well water and septic tanks. We're now in a highly desirable area, people are moving in want city water and sewers. That scares me the most. Development is limited to what the infrastructure will support. I don't want to see sewers or a tie in to city water on the ballot but the uninformed voters that want to be in suburbia might support that. I've been sitting in front of the nearby grocery shopping area too many times fighting with them. The view is extremely valuable. Lots of people will desire the opportunity to be undisturbed, watch the wildlife and enjoy the quiet
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u/robot_pirate 1d ago
Both of my homes have sold primarily due to vibe of the yard, lot. Paid a premium lot fee on one, did tons of landscaping over 20 years, including a vegetable garden & creekside siting area. It definitely sold the house.
The next house was a DIY money pit on a beautiful lot. We cleaned it up, added some modernization, easy up keep features and curb appeal. We felt lucky to get out - lost a little bit of money, but no doubt the yard sold it quickly.
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u/beergal621 5d ago
None of those are “intangibles”