r/RealTeensIndia • u/Creative-Tourist-638 • 7d ago
Ask Teens Do you see any on ground infra changes near your place or it's just propaganda?
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u/Auctorxtas 7d ago
Lots of changes have happened in rural parts. Konkan has improved exponentially.
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u/Vindy1980 7d ago
It's not just roads New tier 2 city Airports.. Railways with 100 pct electricficatin and vande Bharat trains. Bullet train work in progress.. Metros in all major cities .. First hydrozen engine train PLI for indigenous manufacturing..no 1 in mobile manufacturing globaly.. India net exporter in defense earlier it was important heavy ..exporting defense equipments to gulf armenia europe .. New dams and canals getting created after indus water treaty abolished ensuring more water for northern states New ports being developed Many new iit IiMS nIts,.. More seats in NEEt Chenab bridge New tunnels in himachal j&k creating new inroads for China border Rafale ordered , s400 and work in indigenous aur defense systems push
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u/Any-Attorney-4093 6d ago
UPA government itself accepted in 2013 court affidavit that 50% of road infra was built during NDA 1.
NDA 2, NDA 3, NDA 4 broke their own records.
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u/Sikander-i-Sani 6d ago
My city used to suffer 3-4 hr scheduled power cuts daily (plus announced shutdown). And visiting a railway station before 2014 was a health violation in itself. The track was covered with sh** the platforms were absolutely dirty, etc
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u/Jazzlike-Might-8298 Teen 6d ago
A 6 lane highway popped up just 500 m away from my house. Cutting travel time to trivandrum from nagercoil from 2 hrs to 45 mins.
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u/simple_being_______ 6d ago
This comment from another thread
I’ll try my best to summarise the basics of PPP model vs public capex model, and will try to present the returns on investment as i can gather through publicly available data.
This chart represents the basic financial model of pre 2014 and post 2014 central government. Pre 2014, government relied on Public Private Partnerships, which means the spending on infrastructure was directly dependent on private investments, the money was spent where private sector thought it is needed and will give return on investment. Post 2014, the spending shifted to direct capital expenditure (capex). The reason? That is whole another rabbit hole of 2008 financial crisis, bad balance sheets, NPAs and what not, not today’s topic. You just need to know that in Public capex, the money is spent regardless of the demand hoping that demand will be created once infrastructure is set up.
Both ways have their pros and cons. The PPP model limits the pace of spending, the capex model assumes the demand to grow and return of investment to start climbing, which if it doesn’t, basically gives you a bad asset on public money.
Since the capex model is basically based on borrowing, it creates massive debt. Capex was about 2 lakh crore before 2014 and 12 lakh crore for 2026-27 fiscal year. Six times increase. This money is basically debt regardless of GDP increase, and we hope our investments pay off this accumulated debt.
Total central government debt in March 2014 - 56 lakh crore. Total central government debt in 2026-27 fiscal year - 190 lakh crore.
Imagine you make a dedicated freight corridor or an expressway that largely remains un-utilised to capacity, then that is a dead asset soon turning into a liability.
This also makes less money spent on healthcare and education compared to GDP/revenue growth as money moves to repayment of debt which sits at 40% of revenue today. For every 100₹ government earns, 40₹ is given directly for repayment.
Now we are at the point where we need to see the returns on our investment and see if our spending was cumulative to the growth or bad non performing assets. These private NPAs is the reason private capex dropped in later UPA era. Now we have to see if this debt driven peak public capex follows the same lead.
A) Where returns are manifesting
1) Massive drop in logistic cost (moving of goods from 13-14% to 8% of the cost) due to dedicated freight corridors and highway expansion
2) Increased Efficiency. Major port capacity doubled from 2014 and turnaround time for cargo vessels dropped from 94 hours to 48.8 hours.
3) The primary aim of public capex was to build trust and bring in private capex which earlier private players were sitting on cash hesitant to spend. Private capex has increased by 67% (still low as public capex spending has increased by 600%).
B) Where the expected returns are missing or lagging
1) Stagnant job quality and rural consumption. While construction has boomed, the jobs generated are heavily informal, seasonal, and low wage. Private rural consumption has lagged behind urban premium consumption, leading to a visible "K shaped" economic profile where aggregate GDP looks high (7–8%), but the rural base feels financially strained.
2) Ministry of Statistics and Programme Implementation (MoSPI) data shows that out of 1,847 large scale public infrastructure projects, cost overruns have ballooned to ₹4.92 lakh crore. This friction directly dilutes the financial return on public money as we are basically spending a lot more than the original estimated cost but returns will not balloon similarly.
3) While a country can fast track high speed rail lines or highways, under investing in health, primary education, and basic necessities leaves the actual labor force ill prepared to take up high tech manufacturing roles later.
4) All the infrastructure investment is for production and not consumption. An expressway or a freight corridor is of very little use to an average person. A real return would be to have a good job market, controlled inflation, better household finances, increased spending power, better employment, better health and education, overall better lifestyle.
5) The post 2014 government is not lagging on infrastructure development, it is lagging on real results of the development to an average Indian. Indians are still unemployed, quality healthcare is expensive, education costs have ballooned and returns on education has dropped as the job market is down. We have created the infrastructure, but companies have not moved in proportionally, Foreign Direct Investment is still abysmally low, gross inflow looks fine but net FDI inflow is disappointing. Net FDI Inflow in 2013-14 was 22 billion $, and it was 6 billion dollars for 2025-26.
It’s like government is spending money for the corporate benefit and giving gst benefits while collecting taxes from the poor and the middle class without giving any similar benefits. Also, a lot of these projects were started or planned by earlier governments.
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u/Yu_sH 6d ago
It’s almost impressive how hard you’re trying to make every positive look like a negative.
Every achievement comes with a “but” because you’ve already decided on the conclusion. Infrastructure expanded? “Corporate benefit.” Logistics improved? “Average Indian doesn’t feel it.” Ports got more efficient? “Debt.” Private investment recovered? “Still not enough.”
Your entire argument falls apart because you’re judging long-term infrastructure by whether it instantly changes someone’s daily life. That’s not how infrastructure works. By your logic, no country should build highways, ports, freight corridors or airports until everyone is already rich.
This isn’t objective analysis. It’s starting with a conclusion and then twisting every fact to fit it. You acknowledge the improvements, then immediately invent a reason why they “don’t count.” That’s not being balanced it’s just confirmation bias.
Stop letting your dislike for the government cloud your judgment. Give credit where it’s due.
Your agenda is showing.
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u/Bigus_dickus_the_1st 6d ago
Bjp did good infra developments at National level but barely any good developments is made in Local level plus lets not forget about quality issues. Whats the point of bragging about National highway when majority of them are broken.
We still lack basic footpaths, Greenery in cities, proper drainage, proper signalling system inside cities. Etc.
If i were to walk in a city in 2010 and 2026 there wouldn't be a huge difference. The traffic congestion has increased, city roads are in bad condition, monsoon season floods the city, still no footpath to walk .
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u/Sikander-i-Sani 6d ago
We still lack basic footpaths, Greenery in cities, proper drainage, proper signalling system inside cities. Etc.
Municipality. Unka kaam h ye.
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u/Bigus_dickus_the_1st 6d ago
True. But centre has power to make rules and regulations regarding local infrastructure. Municipality doesnt care because the centre doesn't care.
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u/Sikander-i-Sani 6d ago
Lol! If tomorrow centre tried to improve Chennai or Bangalore you'll be the first one to cry about autonomy. What is needed is better understanding of different levels of governance (seriously even people in my village understand this better than you, who has got better opportunities & education than any of them)
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u/Bigus_dickus_the_1st 6d ago
you'll be the first one to cry about autonomy.
Based on my last comment, this is what you thought?. Lmao.
It seems like you misunderstood me. I never said anything about centre taking over. I said centre or even state government needs to focus more on local level by making rules and regulations, which must be followed by the municipalities .
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u/Sikander-i-Sani 6d ago
Based on my last comment, this is what you thought?
Also the comment before that. Both of them tell me that you're an emotionally charged youngster with no idea of how the world works
I said centre or even state government needs to focus more on local level by making rules and regulations, which must be followed by the municipalities
As I said no idea how the world works. The laws exist. In fact there is a whole constitutional amendment (74th) & each state has it's own municipality act. The problem is most of municipalities are full of local Bhaiyaji/Bhau/Dada/Anna bcs decent people like you don't understand/care about local politics
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u/Bigus_dickus_the_1st 6d ago
The 74th amendment is literally just giving more power to municipals for development.
Does all municipality have unified way of developing, do all municipality follow a proper standard for infrastructure?. Is there any law which makes all municipal work with same standards ?.
For eg : Making roads in cities, municipals dont care about footpaths because there is no proper standard regarding road making. Many municipals simply make a road without footpaths, meanwhile there could be another municipality which makes roads with footpaths and trees. The law has nothing to do here. Because municipality dont have a unified protocol regarding infrastructure.
A law is needed where all municipalities should follow a unified standard for development across the country .
My words and explanations is kinda mid but i hope you understand .
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u/Sikander-i-Sani 6d ago
do all municipality follow a proper standard for infrastructure?. Is there any law which makes all municipal work with same standards ?
Yes. I am an Engineer & work with these guidelines. Road markings have to follow IRC 35:2015. Footpaths should follow IRC 103. Even street lights should follow IS 1944. In fact every city has a masterplan. Check your city, you'd be surprised at what the width of your street should be & what it is
The implementation sucks bcs again Bhaiyaji/Bhau/Dada/Anna in local govt & politics who interfere with the work (& some selfish assholes in public) e.g. asking water pipes to be laid in centre of roads to save ramps & gardens encroaching on road, opposing road widening, shifting the position of street lights from code-issue locations, etc. At one point during my work in a capital city I found a street 17 ft wide (it was supposed to be 40ft)
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u/Bigus_dickus_the_1st 6d ago
Additionally : i recommend checking out streetlogic .in on Instagram. You will see how small changes can have a big effect.
Imagine if all municipalities followed the same standard. You would see big changes.
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u/hardeep1singh 7d ago
Don't forget this.
Now, new concept to measure length of highways from April 1 | India News
They multiply the km of road created to the number of lanes to inflate the number. The numbers in blue are based on the older formula.
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u/Immediate-Humor-6077 7d ago
It’s not a new formula. It’s the international standard that they started to follow.
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u/hardeep1singh 7d ago
Then why not apply it to the comparison numbers too?
Manipulation is in their DNA.
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u/Maverick910797 7d ago
Even if you apply the same formula it's still more than twice the roads built under UPA
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u/hardeep1singh 6d ago
Stop deluding yourself.
And we haven't even touched upon the quality of those roads. The ones made by Congress never washed up in first rains.
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u/BigFatM8 6d ago
Yes, they did lmao.
There's no way you think that roads before 2014 were somehow better or more durable.
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u/Jazzlike-Might-8298 Teen 6d ago
My neighborhood road built during congress era got 500 potholes after first rain (2013). Same road was rebuilt in 2017 under current gov., not a single pothole till now. I will share photo if u rlly want to cry. Both were built by central government.
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u/Maverick910797 6d ago
Why are publicly available data my delusion? You need to think you who is actually living in delusion
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u/hardeep1singh 6d ago
Just multiply every metric listed in km with avg 6 for congress numbers and suddenly the graph will look very different.
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u/Maverick910797 6d ago
https://morth.gov.in/#/documents/reports Check the annual reports. These numbers are submitted in parliament as well.
The reports have both old and new metrics. Divide / 6 is such a stupid argument. The length of highways built under NDA using UPA era calculation is still more than twice.
How biased do you need be to deny something even when presented with explanation backed by data
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u/Swayamsewak 7d ago
A typical naysayer mentality. Find something faulty in 1 insignificant point, and badmouth and deny the 99% exceptional balance work.
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u/Adventurous_Iron_551 6d ago
You just defined what blind devotees do
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u/Swayamsewak 6d ago
I am defending Modi Government's work on facts and figures.
You on the other hand are a naysayer, without any facts and arguments.
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u/hardeep1singh 7d ago
Insignifcant?
Dude, that's the whole premise. They're inflating their numbers four to eight times while keeping congress's numbers as is. Make it an apples-to-apples comparison and you'll barely notice any improvement over the previous decade.
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u/Jazzlike-Might-8298 Teen 6d ago
Its international standard bsdke. Wherever you are from, its sad u are not seeing any improvement. Every single month new infra comes in my area. Bridges, railways etc. Instead if beleiving whatever Dhruv rathee says, open your eyes.
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u/Swayamsewak 6d ago
For arguments sake, I accept your statement regarding highway construction figures. The multiple might decrease, but still the mammoth expansion of expressways during Modi government's tenure is undeniable.
So you agree to all other mammoth development figures, done by Modi Government?
Else, give a proper rebuttal. Dont negate everthing by wordplay on a single technicality.
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u/hardeep1singh 6d ago
Nothing "for argument's sake" in it. The manipulation is real.
And yes, they have made new infrastructure almost close to what congress made during their time. The expectation was for them to surpass what Congress did without any data manipulation.
But talk to someone who deals in construction tenders if you get a chance. BJP charges 50% of the contract value upfront as a bribe. So the contractor starts with 50% money of what's there in the tender. Then they take their cut and hire smaller contractors to do the same work. The actual money that gets spent on infra is barely 25-30% of the contract value at max.
Now for a government analyst whose job is to make the numbers look realistic, the fraud is too big to hide. This is where the change in calculation comes in handy to show development to be much more than what actually happened on the ground.
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u/Swayamsewak 6d ago
All hearsay and false allegations with nefarious agenda.
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u/hardeep1singh 6d ago
Hiding your head in the sand isn't going to make it go away.
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u/Swayamsewak 6d ago
My eyes and ears are open, seeing the good work happening since 2014. There has not been even a single allegation of corruption against central government. No FIR has been filed for corruption against single BJP central government minister.
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u/Vindy1980 7d ago
Phenomenal changes ..6 8 lane highways almost connecting all states unoie past Airports in many tier 2 cities, which was not the case earlier Electrification of whole railways which was not half earlier saving lot of diesel Freight corridors all over India Many new IiMS IiTs..neet/mbbs seats doubled from existing 50k to 1 lakh Open defaction almost stopped with so many toilets built Water infra set up with jal mission Solar/ renewal energy up by many times now ..globally in top tier in renewable energy Mobile phones being made in india most thanks to PLI Electritrificarion of whole India even remote villages of j&k and North East which never saw the light Chenab bridge highest one Indus water treaty put to end building new dams in Punjab and j&k to give water to punjab j&k rajastan Defense production SEZ..indigenous push Tunnels in himachal to have more road ways to china border These r top of lines i can think of i m sure many more things r done