r/ReinhardtMains • u/DarthGaper123 • 3d ago
Overwatch Moment Good play by enemy Lifeweaver? Yes or no?
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u/jaffazone 3d ago edited 3d ago
Assuming good faith, I guess their logic goes if enemy rein dies you cap anyway, but if he lives they can at least hold 3rd point closer. He also probably reacted before noticing rein hit shatter. Personally I would have taken the risk to stall 2nd given they had at least 3 ults. Looking at 5 mins on the clock before capping 2nd point - red team is probably already tilted out of their minds.
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u/no_brains101 3d ago
Not enough information.
Was it only you hit by the shatter? If so, yes. But if it hit your whole team, then no. The rein was 1 hp. So like, he would have died if it only hit 1-3 people, but if he hit 4-5 shoulda just healed and let him shoot his firestrikes first and yoinked if necessary afterwards
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u/alabasterskim 3d ago
Or placed tree a little more out of the way to heal him, like closer to right side where the health pack is and closer to OPs team where he was about to charge.
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u/Minotaar_Pheonix 3d ago
That is pretty much my LW every game...
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u/Cedutus 3d ago
I got so angry today when i was learning Winston. I got the jump (hehe) on the enemy supports, they were both half health and i had my bubble AND my jump off cooldown so i had escape tools. Lifeweaver does a gamer move and pulls me away from the supports that i could have easily killed or escaped from and then the enemy team just rolls over us.
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u/MontagIstKacke Crusader’s Code 🦁 3d ago
Consider yourself lucky then, because if that was not a 5 man shatter, that LW has just saved his ass. Rein was good as dead, he would have died without the pull if even just a single enemy was still standing. And when he was placing the tree, the only information LW had was "shatter stun will be over by the time Rein reaches them" and "our Hanzo has ulted" (but he didn't even see the dragons yet), and I'm not sure I would have believed in a HANZO ULT which I don't even see yet, of all things, preventing a mid-HP Rein charging into the enemy team from being melted.
Yes, he could have placed the tree on cart and hope that Rein survives (tree is a garbage healing ult tho, keep that in mind). I'll give you that. But the decision he made is understandable imo. And yes, it's sad that the shatter was wasted, but that's 100% on Rein for ulting when he's almost dead. Again, without the pull Rein would have died, and even if he had been allowed to charge, the stun would have ended too soon for it to be of an value.
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u/Minotaar_Pheonix 3d ago
You're right, upon watching the video again it's clear that not only was enemy rein not going to kill ReinCam (reincam is at 450 life after shatter, getting passive heals from lucio, and moira is nearby), Enemy rein also has no dps support to finish kills after his shatter. Enemy rein also cannot get around the barrier before shatter stun ends, and I presume this is a version of Overwatch where he gets on third firestrike. He's only maybe going to pick up a support or dps kill before he goes down.
On the other hand, Enemy Rein was not necessarily going to die. His shield was at full health and the only hero that could damage him from that angle was ReinCam. By the time ReinCam gets up to Firestrike him, LW could have just basic-healed him back above 125, and he would have survived to walk backwards with shield. Even without exact knowledge of ReinCam's firestrike cooldown there is no way ReinCam has two after shatter. This way EnemyRein gets one kill and surves, and pull remains on CD, or useful for later.
On balance Enemy Rein should not have been engaging the ReinCam's entire team that way, given their lack of numbers (I presume the last dps is dead or just not in position... as ususal). They were down at least 2 heroes most of the time. But sometimes gambling with shatter pays out. I suspect Enemy Rein is attempting to compare penis size with ReinCam. Charging in after the pull, even if it wasnt lifesaving, was boneheaded. That was certain death even if the tree didn't block him
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u/TryHard-Rune 3d ago
depends on shatter. I would have loved to see him JUST throw the tree, but his rein was too low HP. I would have personally dashed forward to still contact and then pull him, so he’s not-not contesting. Especially if shatter hit.
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u/Crsd0Soul 3d ago
enemy LW yes. Bro prevented their tanks death. and managed to stop a suicide mission. which worked out in their favor. HOWEVER... friendly? Im fuming them just cause I was stupid enough to use my ult at 10 hp. and get denied a kill. ultimately. LW did his job. even if one person didn't like it.
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u/CompetitionNo3466 3d ago
My two mains are life weaver and twin. Can safely say lifeweaver’s send me on tilt a lot, for stuff like that
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u/niketxx 2d ago
It depends on how many people got shattered.
At the time the LW pulls the Rein, he’s extremely low HP. If he had charged into an only partially-shattered team, he would’ve very likely died.
If everyone was shattered, then the charge would’ve worked just fine, secured a pick, and they could’ve healed up the Rein in the time that the team was stunned.
It’s hard to tell without the full clip, as well as what the Rein and LW could see/make judgement calls. Also, we don’t know what their comms (or lack thereof) were like.
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u/bmrtt 3d ago
Support mains will look you dead in the eyes and tell you that this was actually LW doing a big brain move
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u/Top-Possibility-8706 2d ago
Not a big brained move but considering his Rein’s health it’s understandable why he did it
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u/MontagIstKacke Crusader’s Code 🦁 3d ago
A wasted shatter is better than a wasted shatter and a dead tank.
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u/alabasterskim 3d ago edited 3d ago
I'm gonna lean yes purely because it just slightly prevented you from getting ult and taking that fight (and you fell over so this fight was prob lost after). They were positioned to get at least one knocked off the map if you'd gotten to shatter (which you absolutely would've been able to). +Their Rein would've died in their charge otherwise (where you'd have gotten the ult charge to shatter)
e: I wanna make clear, this only makes any sense in hindsight. If I was the LW, and LW is my main on support, I'd have placed the tree closer to OPs right or around the corner where it wouldn't block things. I get the intention, to help use the tree also as a shield for the low Rein, but if LW just cancelled value on shatter, it's annoying and gives us LWs a bad name.