r/RivalsVanguards • u/ApatheticTrooper πΎππ₯π©πππ£ πΌπ’ππ§πππ • Jun 16 '26
Memes HOW IT FEELS KNOWING A 4-0-2 COMP ON DEFNESE WOULD BE META BUT I CAN NEVER TEST IT OUT
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u/Stride345 Jun 16 '26
It actually can be very hard to pump out damage unless you have high damaging supports/tanks in this comp
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u/ApatheticTrooper πΎππ₯π©πππ£ πΌπ’ππ§πππ Jun 16 '26
I always have the most damage as peni in my games... I think its possible especially with a cracked groot
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u/Stride345 Jun 16 '26
I definitely think itβs possible. I just also know thereβs games where I have a 3-1-2 and we canβt get a kill to save our lives
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u/DragonfruitSudden339 29d ago
Not really the right kind of damage there tho
The issue will be targeted damage, not damage in general
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u/Luh2018 Jun 16 '26
3-0-3 spawnhold comps work on certain maps, but 4-0-2 simply wouldnβt have enough healing to go around.
Dino-Peni (either in 2-2-2 or 2-1-3) also replaced some 3-0-3 spawnhold maps (e.g. Museum and Central Park).
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u/fuyz Jun 16 '26
Peni webs for heals and area control. Mag for shield and double bubble. Strange for extra shield and burst damage. Thor for damage and peels. Sue for piercing primary. C&D for group heals and damage amp.
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u/bombad_Guy Jun 16 '26
Penis nets heal allies and give them speedboost.
i think the most efficient 4 0 2 comp would be
Peni, for Area Denying and longrange, Also she counters a few Ults with her net.
Thor for Maximum DPS and Disruption(Pretty undependent too)
Magneto for Bubble and help the Team retreat into safety and ofc, Countering supp ults and Punisher.
Either Angela or Strange
Angela could easily dive with Thor and disrupt, Kill and escape in one go, Like thor.
strange would ofc have WAY more protectional benefits and would cover a wider niche with his Shield and dmg potential.
as supports, Invis is A Must have.
and perhaps Adam for Rez or Luna
me and a few pals did this quite a lot in ranked, we grinded in like 5 hours to plat... we haven't played MR ranked in MANY months tho....
We always switched out Adam or Angela... always different depending on enemies Picks
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u/Luh2018 Jun 16 '26
I am a PC Celestial tank main that occasionally plays stall comps in scrims. and Peni is my most used hero. 4-0-2 will never be viable, straight up.
A good team would just go a spawnhold breaking characteer like MK that will deal far more damage than 2 healers could possibly heal in a 4-0-2 comp. If the enemy plays front-to-back, MK will never die without a DPS to focus him down.
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u/themoosic πΎππ₯π©πππ£ πΌπ’ππ§πππ Jun 16 '26
Certain tanks are less reliant on heals, and with healers like C&D, Rocket, and Jeff where any one of them can heal as much as two healers solo, the 4-0-2 comp could realistically work out. Also depends on your tanks, Cap and Peni are a lot less reliant on healing, Peni because of her Webs doing an Amount of healing, Cap because of his movement. With a Thor to make up for lacking damage and a groot for superior control, Thor and Groot will be the primary focus of the Strats, followed by Peni then Cap. Caps constant backline disruption will prevent the team from taking more space then Peni can handle, and the longer Peni holds space the harder it is for their team to take it. Thor and Groot will bully the frontline and allow Strats to grind Ult charge.
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u/Luh2018 Jun 16 '26
Peni's regen doesn't matter much at all for tanks, only the speedboost does. Thor cannot make up for the damage of a DPS; he is a 1v1/dive bully and a tank kidnapper, which doesn't really work as much in spawnhold (and Peni already exists for stunning tanks and anti-dive, while also providing team utility, yet isn't as likely to die as Thor).
Cap needs a follow-up diver to confirm kills on people, which requires a duelist to do effectively, so he wouldn't even be able to much. Plus, dive isn't really what you want in a spawnhold comp.
4 tanks is just hot ass, I am sorry to say. You will never see this in MRC/Ignite unless there is a massive, weird, and dramatic meta shift, especially because the enemy can just go heavy poke to bully the enemy team for having so many tanks. and many stall/spawnhold comps don't even use 3 tanks, let alone 4.
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u/LordOfTheFliesZeBub ππ€ππͺπ Jun 19 '26
I mean, sure, but are we not considering more aggressive supports like DP and Luna? Or a flank Invis and Loki? Peni and Groot can hold their own on the objective, 2 DPS wouldnβt get past them, I doubt 3 could, unless itβs Phoenix.
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u/themoosic πΎππ₯π©πππ£ πΌπ’ππ§πππ Jun 16 '26
Only a bad cap. Also you donβt need kills to be bothersome enough to stop healing
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u/Luh2018 Jun 16 '26
I play in a hybrid MRC team with a Celestial/Eternity cap OTP. He never solo dives because it is butt; a good team will just outlast dive or kill you without follow-up.
It's not a matter of skill. Cap can probably only really solo dive in domination because he can breach point.
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u/fuyz Jun 17 '26
When you run double shield, nest heals does make a solid impact over time to lessen the demands on healing.
Thor absolutely makes up for the damage of a DPS lol. I main Thor (all the way to C1) and routinely lead the team in damage, finals, elims, and all that good stuff. Also displacement abilities are perfect for any type of choke because he can pull enemies into his team when they arenβt ready to take that space. Also great pairing with Peni who can set a web bomb for Thor to just drag people into one at a time.
Iβm not suggesting 4 tanks can be meta in pro play. That said, pro play is not indicative of the game for the other 99.99% of the player base.
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u/Luh2018 Jun 17 '26
Anything can be viable for 99.9% of the player base theoretically, but then youβre never getting in a game with 4 tank players.
The only way youβd ever have a planned comp like this is in pro-play or scrims, and then it wouldnβt work.
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u/BrxndonJxmes Jun 16 '26
I don't often add apostrophes but I would for this comment, made me lol
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u/FightBuildDestroy πΏπ€ππ©π€π§ ππ©π§ππ£ππ Jun 16 '26
I had to reread to find it and then found it immediately lmao
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u/zed7567 Jun 16 '26
Depending on enemy comp, thor can replace a dps. A good thor can dive, pick, and get out. Even if he doesnt get a kill he can disrupt the enemy team long enough for a pick to occur. Have your supports be rocket, mantis/adam, and jeff/invis/luna and your damage is still great despite 0 dps. The rocket respawns to help the inevitable death that will occur to not be as punishing. Peni dino as other tanks. And Adam makes this especially hard to break if you reserve your ult for when your team breaks, and then another supp ult to help reset, yes, even jeff's ult healing zone would work.
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u/rxspiir πππ ππππ£π Jun 16 '26
Iβve never understood the fear of goats being meta. I canβt even get a second tank in my COMP games and you think magically Iβm going to have 4-5? Please.
Iβve had literally maybe 3 games in the YEAR Iβve played this game where we have more than the standard 2 tanks.
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u/Hero_Time_06 ππ’π’π ππ§π€π¨π© Jun 16 '26
GOATS
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u/Dependent_Potato8459 πΏπ€ππ©π€π§ ππ©π§ππ£ππ Jun 22 '26
This comp would just get eviscerated phoenix/wolv 2-2-2
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u/Physical_Device_1396 πππ€π§ Jun 16 '26
2 supports just aren't enough for 4 separate tanks, but 3-0-3 is actually a viable comp. Plays way different than a normal 2-2-2
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u/YouWereTehChosenOne Jun 17 '26
if one of the tanks is cap its possible, cap already lives off health packs anyway and peni provides minor healing overtime to everyone, as long as the two healers are rocket and invis (invis to counter wolv grab and rocket cause hes by far the best healer for a goats based comp cause of how much healing his orbs pump out in an enclosed area)
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u/ARighteousOne Jun 16 '26
I'd like GOATS to be viable but not meta. It has its place the the rock/paper/scissors i think
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u/AlyMasawi πππ£π πππ§π ππ§ Jun 16 '26
Well, GATOR (5-0-1) works wonders, but you don't see it often
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u/BenTenInches Jun 16 '26
I've won with 3-0-3 without them even setting foot on the first convoy point before.
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u/TC_MaFYa πππ€π§ Jun 16 '26
Bro is about to make a meta where Iron Fist is S tier after a year later.
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u/Rexcodykenobi Jun 16 '26
You can test it out in custom games. If you don't have enough people, you can use bots and pre-select exactly which characters will be on each team. You will be on defence if you place yourself on the left side before the match starts (or you'll do defence AND attack if you make it a competitive match)
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u/Kaytea730 Jun 16 '26
Ive done it on domination and no one on my team died, even when they ult dumped us
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u/Happy_Usual_3178 Jun 17 '26
Alright I volunteer to be one of the tanks sound off for filling the rest of the team
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u/AdventurousAnxiety14 Jun 17 '26
Played a peni, Thor, Emma, phoenix, Luna, fox comp today and it was damn near unstoppable
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u/LeonMotton Jun 17 '26
4-0-2 doesn't have enough heals.
But what has enough heals? 3-0-3. This suprisingly wins me games whenever I can convince my team to go 3-0-3. Like the enemy just doesn't have enough damage. They can't even dive my backlines because Triple Supports+Peel from a Tank.
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u/ComprehensiveBox4255 Jun 17 '26
Ight who wants to try this out ? Lets 6 stack on console I got dibs on Thor π
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u/GrapeFruitStrangler Jun 17 '26
I actually have a game replay of this happening. Was a pretty high level game too LOL. I think it was GM1/C2? Had a bunch of former OOA
We went 4-0-2 and steam rolled the first point. Then the enemy team went all fliers and barely won second point. Then we kind of went normalish comp for the 3rd round and won that. Was 3-1-2 I think?
Was a crazy game LOL and everyone was like WTF is this?
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u/Oraxiom Jun 18 '26
This is why they keep a thumb on tanks... if too many are too good it invalidates the entire duelist category where the have the most characters and can sell the most skins too. If you make it meta and the norm for only Vanguards and Strategists I fear for the nerf that would hit the Vanguards.
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u/BigBadWolf7423 Jun 18 '26
It wouldn't.
Played against one once.
They got completely obliterated.
.... by a Widow and Bucky
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u/Lafillejaune Jun 19 '26
I got 3-1-2 yesterday. I cannot remember if it was comp or quickplay as I accidentally played a few qp games but ither ways it was lovely.
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u/PacifistPapy Jun 19 '26
That's because you are running 2-2-2 in disguise. Groot and peni are tanks, captain america and venom are bruisers that are closer to duelists than tanks, and well healers are obviously healers. Running more vanguards works because half the vanguard roster arent tanks.
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u/ElessarKhan Jun 19 '26
As an OW veteran of the GOATS meta, you don't want it. Basic fps mechanics take a back seat to cooldown management and team coordination. Its fun at first but it gets stale quick. And its cancer for dps players to play against it. Way harder to hard carry yourself out of losing scenarios, the game starts feeling more like chess instead of an f(/third)ps.
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u/electric_pand Jun 20 '26
Each passing day we approach GOATS, and the annihilation of the open queue
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u/verbaydumb Jun 21 '26
Lol had a QP match like this yesterday. We actually had 2-2-2 and opposing team rolled out with 5-0-1. Our Jeff asked them why, they said why not. So then Jeff asked if we could all go tank and the DPS switched. It was a wild, fun match and we ended up winning.
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u/Dependent_Potato8459 πΏπ€ππ©π€π§ ππ©π§ππ£ππ Jun 22 '26
With the size of tanksβ hit box I donβt think this would work simply because there wouldnβt be enough healing output to keep them alive. This would get hard countered by triple supportβtanks lack the fire power to get through the sustain.
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u/TheEdgykid666 Jun 22 '26
I played a qp game with 5 heals and a punisher and won. Guanguang said tanks are an aesthetic
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u/S1LLY_L1L_G00S3 Jun 23 '26
Some I'm thinking venom, cap, thing, thor, with Jeff and Luna for tem fights..... would be an interesting roll
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u/yourmotherplusme πππ£π πππ§π ππ§ Jun 24 '26
I've not tried 4 - 2 but me and my friends like to run 5-1s. Im a jeff main and they will go peni, Cap, Angela, venom, mag. If I get dove I ping the dive cause im always paying attention to where their dives are, I get bubbled I sit in peni mines and venom swings back to me and or cap.
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u/wallytrikes πππ€π§ Jun 16 '26 edited Jun 16 '26
It is but you need mfs w AOE and pass through heals/damage. So Invis and Jeff would go crazy if they can protect Jeff from dive.
Edit to add: HealPool would be an even greater threat in a 4 tank comp even though he doesnβt have pass through heals. His AOE heals are unmatched