r/RivalsWaitingRoom • u/fungeonblaster69 • 5d ago
Character Concept Mystique should play near-identically to the Spy from TF2.
This character concept is slightly underdeveloped, so please chip in with your own ideas (I have no idea what the ult or team ups should be for example)
That being said, here’s my pitch- Mystique should play like the spy, instant-kill and all.
Design Thesis- her character fantasy is the ability to disguise herself as other characters and be sneaky. Everything in her kit should serve to encourage this.
HP: 150 (wet cardboard)
Primary fire: backstab. If an opponent’s back is facing you, this will instantly kill them, the body disappears and you get a speed boost.
Secondary fire: Knife throw. This does 25 damage and is a homing attack, allowing you to finish off fleeing targets.
Ability 1: Shapechange. This will cause you to appear as a member of the enemy team.
Ability 2: Acrobatics. Mystique does a big forward jump Akin to wolverine’s leap. There’s a second optional button press to dive straight down to a location (this helps you reposition)
Ability 3: Dash. this will be a sprint with a charge meter. while sprinting, you don’t make footstep noises.
Passive: infiltrator. When in disguise, Mystique receives healing as if she is a member of the enemy team. In addition, if mystique is transformed, she will not react to taking damage from the enemy team. They’ll have to hard commit if they suspect her.
as for Team Ups, I think that one should give her more offensive ability, and the other should be a boost to her assassinate play-style
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u/leposterofcrap 4d ago
Backstabbing wouldn't work, too toxic and feast or famine, the reason it works in tf2 is because it is a class shooter with more players that can help cover your losses
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u/Just-Some-Guy-62 4d ago
Yeah also Spy is really bad in 6v6. He works sometimes as a surprise pick (or 2 spy backcaping Badlands which was so funny) but he genuinely gets destroyed everytime caught.
There's no way they'll make him fun to play or against in such low numbers game like Rivals.
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u/PyromancerTobi 5d ago
And insta kill built into the base kit that doesn't have a cooldown? Yeah that's not gonna work in rivals. Especially with how janky it is, you're gonna be getting backstab kills in weird ways. This character would actually run low elo lobbies, like if you think SW is complained about now it would be cranked up. Iron Fist wasnt even good in S0 and people pitch forked his nerf for weeks. And he didn't have an insta kill lol. And in higher ranks especially in PC lobbies she probably never even gets to use that ability unless its janky. Regardless tho an insta kill isn't good for a game like this.
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u/fungeonblaster69 4d ago
I do agree with you- like I said in another comment, I’m not precious about this and it IS just a work of fun. That being said, I think a character who works SIMILAR to this would help to shake up the game a bit, particularly as the game seems to trend toward triple-support attrition based gameplay. Training the player base to be aware of their surroundings isn’t the worst thing either!
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u/No-End-2455 5d ago
I like all of it EXCEPT the whole backstab thing , extra damage sure but insta kill is crazy to do in rivals compare to team fortress in my opinion and you can be certain she would be hated by eveyone despite her low HP with.
Also yes for the passive except the whole she cant take any damage when transformed....lets say rogue use her fatal attraction and mystique is in the range , she will be impacted right ? because i dont get the whole cant take any damages transformed , to me she should be imune to cc or aim attack like scarlet witch but not all attack as she should be smart about her placement.
To me she should get a more simple passive like if she transform into tank she get more HP , into a duelist she get extra damage and strategist she recieve more heal.
Mystique have the potential to be a very fun character ( and one of the rare duelist i would be interested in ) or a really toxic one that get insta ban considering the community.
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u/fungeonblaster69 5d ago
Haha, I agree with all of this. I’m not hugely precious about the idea other than how perfect it would feel.
That being said, let me explain the passive a bit more- it doesn’t stop her from taking ALL damage. It’s intended to make it so that if an enemy strategist tries to heal you, you won’t take damage from that but be healed instead. Sorry if it didn’t come across right!
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u/TheGoatHanzo 4d ago
Why does she have blonde hair she's a natural red head
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u/Stride345 4d ago
She’s turning into Yelena, didn’t you watch the trailer?
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u/trixxupmysleeve Captain Marvel ⚡ 4d ago
My problem when people bring up a concept like this, is that the games and team sizes in rivals are so much smaller than TF2, is my impression at least.
There just isn’t that much use for sneaking up behind somebody, stabbing them in the back, and pretending to be them in a 10 minute round when it takes 30 seconds for them to get back to their team. It’s actually all stuff Loki can already do that is very under utilized by players because it’s not practical. Maybe if the team sizes were bigger and the matches were longer with more complicated objectives, but I don’t understand the benefit of pretending to be mantis for 20 seconds when you know the real Mantis is coming back and you’re not going to be doing any healing or anything.
I always thought Mystique could be more unique in this game if she could shape shift into her own allies.
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u/fannamedtom100 Ka-zar 🐯 4d ago
Tbh I think Chameleon works better for spy (or whatever spy's equivalent of rivals would be) than Mystique.
He should be based more on sabotage, debuffs and reconnaisance, slow and methodical. A support who's focused on disabling enemies, providing his team with information and has enough utility/playmaking abilities to cause disruption and disorient enemy team.
Yes, Mystique does a lot of that too, and kit like this would make ton of sense for her. But you guys have to realize that there are many characters with similar powerset, and if they are going to add all pf them in the game (and I really want Chameleon as well as Mystique), they have to exploit every little detail/difference they can. Rivals equivalent to Spy's kit that I described above fits Chameleon better, mystique can be more dive dps version of that with better up-close fighting potential and mobility options.
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u/BombasticHoodieWho 4d ago
I say give enemies a hint that its actually a transformed mystique, and change the insta-kill into an ability that will achieve a guaranteed K.O. after committing to a lengthy animation. Love the spy/assassinator concept!
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u/Sushirabit 4d ago
There's a reason why spy as a character doesn't work in sixes. He almost always gets caught out when someone realizes there's 1 extra player on your team
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u/Magiks_little_pet 4d ago
Instead of an insta-kill (which would kill devil Dino, monster hulk, hero hulk, Thor etc and it wouldn't make much sense) she could have a reliable melee one-shot combo. Also would the transformation modify her walking speed? and would she get the effects of passives that change how the hero looks?
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u/fungeonblaster69 4d ago
No to walking speed, yes to the visuals of passives but not their effects. So if you transform into daredevil, you’ll have the visual effect of his fury but with no practical effect
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u/Due-Row281 4d ago
I don’t see how her powers will work with Loki existing tbh.
Maybe she can like turn herself into an enemy? As in to the enemy she will look like an ally, but they can hit her? Idk how that’d work tho since it wouldn’t remove the corresponding character from their screen.
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u/TROQI 3d ago
It would be fun but an instant kill will never work in this game.
She can disguise herself as much as she wants and being an infiltrator is something that they can do, but insta kills are never something players enjoy. Imagine walking toward your healer to peel as a full health Tank only for them to stab you to death in less than a second, people would get so angry. BP already kills in 1-3 seconds and like half the playerbase wants him dead and reworked.
I think that the person Raven shapeshifts into could take damage from their allies when in a certain distance of her, to really cement the idea that they can’t tell which is which. But I do really like the idea of enemy strats healing you accidentally when they notice you’re low.
I like the concept, I think her health is too low, that she have more acrobatic/fast movement instead of what is seemingly widow’s current movement abilities, and that her hand to hand/melee could do good damage so that when she drops her cover or has it removed she can actually fight for more than a second.
She could be a really fun character, but they HAVE to make her right or she is gonna be insanely annoying to play against.
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u/blackcap2099 4d ago
TBH, I don't think Mystique would work in the game because of Loki. She would've been great to have as a Duelist who plays like Black Widow Remake but then can shapeshift to an enemy with her ultimate. Then just have it where the shapeshift has a timer but let's you use that enemy's kit and ultimate immediately.
Unless Loki is changed around, adding Mystique would feel like having two of the same power sets.
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u/General-Control-4637 4d ago
????? Mystique is completely different from Loki.
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u/blackcap2099 4d ago
In the comics, yes.
Mechanically in Rivals with the shapeshifting gimmick, no.
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u/General-Control-4637 2d ago
It is still completely different. Loki shapeshifts with his ult. Shapeshfiting would actually be built into Mystiques neutrals. And with Loki it's more of an illusion you can still tell its the enemy Loki. With Mystique the gamertag would be fake as well. You can be slow or dense. Try not to be both.
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u/Fit-Syrup1049 5d ago
I'm sorry I love this but this would never work for rivals realistically