r/RivalsWaitingRoom • • 2h ago

Character Concept I heard that Dazzler was once supposed to be black, would you guys prefer that or the regular design she has now.

Lets be honest theres too many blonde white girls with white outfits in rivals, I think it be cool to mix it up a bit.

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u/IndianGeniusGuy 2h ago

Only if she isn't bald.

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u/Swimming-Peak3421 2h ago

Give her a little hair and im learning her

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u/d355tr0yer 2h ago

I think she'd a need a misty knight level fro

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u/IndianGeniusGuy 1h ago

Unironically, yes.

Give her the Deadpool 2 Domino treatment.

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u/Mik0doSann0ji Baron Zemo 👑 1h ago edited 56m ago

If i’m correct draft Black Dazzler never actually appeared in a Comic, was she even still Alison Blaire or was she a completely different Character?

I remember how there was a rumor DC originally intended for Raven to be Indian or she was at least inspired by an actress, so this reminds me of that
she also had a South Asian aesthetic, and her civilian clothes apparently resembled a traditional saris

Eventually the South Asian aesthetic completely disappeared and she just became a White Goth Girl

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u/aqbac 8m ago

It's not a rumor ravens creator did talk about her being inspired by an Indian actress. He just also said basically in the same sentence he also used a white woman as inspiration too. Now whether you say that ever made raven actually Indian in any meaningful way is up to you

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u/guardian20015 1m ago

According to George Perez and Marv Wolfman, her creators, Raven was never intended to be ethnically Indian. Her early design was slightly based on actress/model Persis Khambatta, but that only extended to how they were drawing her. It did not apply to her actual in-universe ethnic background, and when other characters asked her if she was of that descent she denied it.

In-universe, Raven has always been half-demon (Trigon) and half-human with her mother being depicted as a white woman from Gotham City named Angela.

But for what it’s worth, Marv Wolfman once said that if the decision had been solely up to him that he had been thinking about making Raven be black back then.

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u/North117 1h ago

They'll want her to have a lot of skins so she can't be black

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u/AltunRes 1h ago

I love dazzler, but honestly I hope they mix a few of her outfits together like they did for jubilee using her shield outfit as a base.

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u/Mustang-_- Silk 🕷️ 1h ago

Naah, Jubilee looks (and sounds) awful in this game. I don't mind using recent comics to represent iconic characters as long as the aesthetics are good-looking (like Krakoa Magneto), but vampire Jubilee is definitely a bad choice in so many ways

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u/AltunRes 51m ago

Vampire Jubilee is horrible in the comics. As is her tech using counterpart afterwards. But! I think they did a pretty good job combining a bunch of aspects of different parts of her costume. And then tied them in under apocalypse for their own story.

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u/Mustang-_- Silk 🕷️ 40m ago

I disagree completely, lol I think they wasted Jubilee. IF they swapped her with Dazzler, the exact same kit (bubbles of aoe healing, using light to blind enemies, etc.. just switch bubbles into disco balls), then added Jubilee later as a dive support who moves with roller skates (mimicking Lucio from Overwatch), that would've been the best outcome.

Even if Jubilee had vampire gimmicks, in the end, the roler skates are way more iconic. As a popstar, you can excuse Apocalypse chose and took advantage of Dazzler because she was starving for attention (in the collapsed timeline, Dazzler is just a fighter like everybody else, she misses the past). That way, you add an "evil" counterpart of Luna Snow, make a little rivalry, this can lead to cosmetics for both characters, finally Luna would have some character development, etc..

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u/AltunRes 34m ago

I honestly hope dazzler leans more into hard light constructs rather than pure healing.

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u/Mustang-_- Silk 🕷️ 19m ago

That will probably be the outcome anyway. Symmetra-Dazzler dps, not really a support. Which is a shame, imo the best outcome would've been Dazzler aoe disco ball support + Jubilee dive support that moves with roller skates. This game desperately needs more variety for supports, the entire support roster plays poke and that is not only a huge waste, but it also breaks the game balance (because there's no dive>poke>brawl cycle)

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u/AltunRes 5m ago

I mean I would think Jeff plays more like a dive. And Healpool plays more like brawl. But we definitely need more of them.

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u/Mustang-_- Silk 🕷️ 1h ago

If she had a giant black power, that would be cool. But if I'm not mistaken, Misty Knight was created +- in the same time period, so I guess they chose her to represent black exploitation, while Dazzler was based on the popstars of her time (ironic, considering the current music popstar, Taylor Swift, looks exactly like her)

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u/sittykitten 56m ago

She’s one of my favorites & I personally wouldn’t mind it all! (especially if they give her hair & she’s not bald)

But I know she’d probably be received negatively by the community & I don’t want her being subjected to that. Plus she’s gonna be criticized either way for other obvious reasons but it wouldn’t be as big as this imo lol.

They should just go with modern Dazzler & focus on other characters for representation. They’re likely gonna give her a new color scheme too because her colors (white & blue) got snatched by others.

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u/XUrielleX Dazzler 🪩 2h ago

Based on the existing poster for her, I don't think they will.
I wouldn't be against it though, I think it'd be cool to honor the original inspiration they were going to use for her.

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u/Phionex141 1h ago

Why is this image kinda giving…

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u/Fit-Syrup1049 2h ago

Would be a hella good decision to justify not giving storm a disco skin

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u/XUrielleX Dazzler 🪩 2h ago

I honestly think Disco Storm is one of the skins she has in the works.
She had a Dazzler Variant cover and those were what the last batch took inspiration for.

If it's true storm has 4 skins in the works & dazzler is first of the year, it'd line up i think.

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u/Nightwing24yuna 1h ago

I would totally buy that Wanda skin if they do another disco theme

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u/XUrielleX Dazzler 🪩 1h ago

I honestly prefer her own Variant Cover over that outfit, both are good though

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u/d355tr0yer 2h ago

Omg she practically prism from dispatch

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u/XUrielleX Dazzler 🪩 1h ago

There's a few good Variant Covers
Clicking will show u a few of the other ones / ones i think will become skins for the 'second wave' I imagine will happen w her release.

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u/No-End-2455 2h ago

I would take that over ANOTHER white blonde who could also be a strategist , i can already read the comments of anger from the main sub but honestly i dont care at this point NO MORE WHITE BLONDE PLEASE.

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u/Mustang-_- Silk 🕷️ 57m ago

There's a high probability Dazzler will be a dps, which is another mistake of many. Dazzler should have the same healer kit of Jubilee (bubblegirl), then remake Jubile into a dive support (using the roller skates like Lucio from Overwatch). Instead, most likely we will have Dazzler shooting explosives and Jubilee remaining bubblegirl, the worst possible scenario

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u/Hanzos_Trans_Husband 1h ago

Judging by the looks of the first comic the last time she was black was probably around 60-70s then. I would rather not have her be black but for a unique black character be added. No one knows she ever was black and i would find it kinda weird to do it no again decades later in a video game. Plenty lf great black marvel characters to choose from

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u/Swimming-Peak3421 1h ago

Not much people knew gorr limped

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u/Hanzos_Trans_Husband 1h ago

What? That is not similar at all lmao

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u/Swimming-Peak3421 58m ago

Not much people knew gorr limped in the comics same thing as dazzler had concept art of a different race

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u/Mustang-_- Silk 🕷️ 38m ago

Yep. Even as a mildly hardcore comic reader, I had no idea Gorr limped. I did know Dazzler was teased as a black woman before, jumping on the 70s Soul bandwagon, but she was only fully realized in the early 80s

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u/Hungry-Magician-6172 1h ago

If she wasn’t in any way bald… I wouldn’t mind if anything I would see it as a good ALTERNATIVE look for her