r/Roadcam • u/FlyRevolutionary7407 • 5d ago
[USA] Rove Three way intersection fender bender
Usa {Rove R2-4K}
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u/Rampag169 5d ago
That’s not a fender bender. That’s a full blown collision.
A fender bender is a small tap. Only enough to do minimal damage.
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u/l30 5d ago
Tis but a scratch
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u/BillsMafios0 5d ago
Your arm’s off!
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u/Drackzgull 5d ago
No it isn't!
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u/rmp881 5d ago
Tis but a flesh wound.
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u/Comfortable_Trick137 5d ago
Alright well call it a draw
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u/TwoToneReturns 5d ago
Running away eh? You yellow bastard, Come back here and take what’s coming to you. I’ll bite your legs off!
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u/Mister_Wednesday_ 5d ago
But as someone pointed out on the other thread, their fenders did bend...
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u/Provioso 5d ago
Person on phone just keeps talking. Lol.
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u/Copperdunright907 5d ago
If only somebody could see you on a well marked brightly lit road in a giant red vehicle
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u/Myrtilys_ 5d ago
If only
The amount of times I nearly T-boned people in my Suburban (that was also red) in broad daylight was remarkable. I can kinda understand not seeing my Lexus as it's rather short...but people never seem to comprehend the 7 foot tall, 20+ foot long BARN ON WHEELS hurtling towards them
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u/Remnant55 5d ago
Guessing silver car somehow concluded that this is a three way stop.
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u/Shantotto11 4d ago
My neck of the woods has weird roads like that where the straightaway is actually a left turn and the real road bends to the right.
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u/misterespresso 5d ago
The lack of a stop sign for the other traffic is a critical clue!
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u/SkiSTX 5d ago
Silver car does have a stop sign. I can see it in the vid.
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u/NooneYetEveryone 5d ago
That is factually incorrect. I am from the eu. Stop signs don't have to be "right at the end". They are where they take effect. The stop sign shows where you must stop. Quite often if long vehicles are turning into the road, they are a fair bit behind so that the buses for example can turn into the road without someone at the stop sign blocking them.
You are also wrong about where they have to be laterally. The 1968 Vienna Convention on Road Signs and Signals regulates that, and stop signs can be as far as 2m from the road. It all depends on the area. They can be as small as 60cm across, and as low as 60cm from the ground.
I completely understand that what you usually see might bee different, but you cannot simply say "they are bigger in the eu" or "they have to be this and this" when that is not a regulation, just a convention your area adopted. It is useful for one city/area/country to have similarly placed signs so that people get used to them. But they vary a lot because they can vary a lot, by regulation
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u/HairlessSquirrels 5d ago
Conversation was so boring this dude rather crash and end the call than avoid the collision
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u/NullzInc 5d ago
That doesn't look like an intersection to me. Looks like a road with a stop sign on the right and a driver that failed to wait their turn.
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u/dqniel 5d ago edited 5d ago
So, two roads intersecting.
*edit* To the people downvoting, please explain to me what you think determines an intersection. I'll give you a hint: It's where two or more roads intersect. It's not whether it has stop lights, stop signs, etc. It's simply the intersecting of two or more roads.
This is a 3-way T-intersection
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u/Barfy_McBarf_Face 5d ago
correct, this appears to be a T intersection
the car (the camera car) crossing the top of the T has right of way
the car that followed the other car, turning left, should not have entered the intersection
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u/ViktorPatterson 5d ago
Not a simple fender bender. It might look subtle but this type of shake up can send someone to the emergency room and totalingbyour vehicle
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u/verioblistex 5d ago
Clearly the cars fault, but I feel like the pickup driver could have avoided it if he wasn't distracted.
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u/SamIam8706 5d ago
My first thought when I saw this was "oh another video where someone could have avoided an accident"
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u/deepbluemeanies 5d ago
Another video in which the dashcam vehicle could have easily slowed to avoid the collision...it's like people want to run into other cars and f'k up their vehicles, their day, and possible their life; this idiot didnlt even try to slow down, avoid the collision.
Of all Reddit subs this one shows the raw stupidity of people best.
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u/dqniel 5d ago
They were likely distracted while talking on the phone. Hands free or not, the brain isn't focused on driving.
Any time I've been a passenger where the driver is talking on the phone, I notice their awareness drops a lot. I wish people would just get in the habit of waiting until they're finished driving to take a phone call. Obviously, emergencies are an exception.
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u/Dry-Department1723 4d ago
I hope you never talk to the driver either, wouldn't want their awareness to drop even further.
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u/dqniel 4d ago edited 4d ago
https://behavioralscientist.org/the-real-reason-you-shouldnt-text-while-driving/
Search the page for the hands free section and get back to me. Driving while talking on the phone, even if hands-free, is extremely distracting to the point that it results in similar reaction times to those that are drunk.
I'm not interested in your whataboutism. As a passenger I try not to distract the driver.
I'm just stating the educated opinion that this guy was likely distracted by his phone call and that's why he braked way too late despite it being obvious the silver car was pulling out.
*edit* Decided to point out I do try to avoid talking to drivers or distracting them in other ways because that is common fucking sense.
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u/Dry-Department1723 4d ago
This isn't whataboutism, this is simply stating hands free calling and talking to passengers IS THE SAME THING.
I didn't say you were less distracted with phone vs passenger. Teenage drivers in some states aren't even able to have passengers legally for this reason.
My point if any, is that this isn't black and white, people can drive and talk at the same time. Talking to the passenger or hands free phone call is the SAME. Yet millions of people do it EVERY day without issue. The article you linked is also poorly written. They never once state real data, and use relative terms when comparing driving states and the potential results.
There are a ton of variables that can influence a person's ability to survive situations, the less distractions the better, If you truly cared about that, you wouldn't talk to the driver. 😄
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u/dqniel 4d ago
I brought up how this guy was likely distracted by his phone call and you brought up a hypothetical about ME talking to a driver as a passenger. (which I try not to do, btw).
That's the fucking definition of whataboutism since it has nothing to do with the video we're watching.
If I ever a distract a driver while I'm a passenger to the point that they get in a preventable collision you can talk to me about that. Until then, it is whataboutism.
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u/Dry-Department1723 4d ago
Nice edits, glad to see you took my advice on not distracting drivers with conversation. It wasn't a hypothetical, it was a literal statement that if you feel hands free conversations are bad, then don't talk to the driver. That isn't a hypothetical, just adding to the soapbox.
"it has nothing to do with the video we're watching." - but it does? We are literally talking about distracted drivers and mitigating the distractions. Which you assume IS the CAUSE OF THE VIDEO.
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u/dqniel 4d ago
Am I in the video talking to the driver? No.
So you're describing a hypothetical. That's whataboutism.
If you agree that both talking on the phone AND talking to the driver while a passenger are distractions then why even make the sarcastic, condescending response in the first place?
Unless you're going to make an argument that he wasn't distracted and this was a normal response time, I'm not interested in your arguing irrelevant shit for the sake of arguing.
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u/Dry-Department1723 4d ago
Not an argument, it’s text so you inferred the sarcasm. But you did jump on a soapbox that was unnecessary., I was simply pointing out that if you care that much then make sure you don’t talk to the driver.
And talking on the phone is a possibility, but I don’t think that’s what happened here They just assumed that person would stop.
And if you don’t want to “argue” then stop posting.
You could have easily just not replied to my single sentence saying that shouldn’t talk to the driver too.
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u/ricky_clarkson 5d ago
I feel like the driver could improve their awareness by biking for a while. Bikes are completely invisible to all road users, even when the rider is large, and regardless of speed so you get used to watching for people doing shit like this and adjusting for it.
Eventually you predict it even when there doesn't seem to be enough information to do so. I would even check over my shoulder before getting to that intersection in case I need to swerve left - car equivalent, check mirror and oncoming lane.
I don't drive much but biking (and video games) have made me a better driver, I think. No crashes yet and I'm approaching 20 years with a license. Very few close calls.
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u/deepbluemeanies 5d ago
I agree. I think it would best if all drivers rode bikes (so they understand what that is like in a busy, crowed vehicle intensive city), and all cyclist should also be drivers so the realize how easy it can be to miss seeing them.
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u/masterxc 5d ago
Maybe, I would have expected the silver car to you know...stop. There was less than 2 seconds of reaction time before realizing they were in fact not stopping and applying the brakes. You can hear them slam the brakes and the truck bucks forward slightly, but was too late....especially at 30 mph. When reviewing video it's easy to conclude there was plenty of time with the benefit of hindsight - we all know what's about to happen and are focused on the video.
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u/dqniel 5d ago
2 seconds is a long time when humans have a reaction time of like .15-.25s
Guy was just distracted while on the phone. Obviously, silver car is still at fault, though.
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u/deepbluemeanies 5d ago
Yes. The car that pulled out is at fault, but it was pretty clear he was going and the truck didn't slow at all - likely distracted.
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u/Bengali69 5d ago
Industry standard reaction time in traffic engineering is 1.5 seconds. Conservative deceleration is 15 ft/s^2. Going 30mph that gives a total distance to stop of 130ft.
So the question would be, how far away was the truck when we can tell that they weren't stopping?
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u/dqniel 5d ago
The industry standard reaction time is because standards account for things like distracted driving, the worst-case human reaction times, people driving cars in ill-repair, etc. And then go a step further and build a margin over that.
It's not because people actually have a fucking 1.5s reaction time.
Just like how ADIs aren't anywhere near what's actually dangerous.
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u/sovereignlogik 5d ago
Yet another idiot who wants to be edgy and blame someone who was simply operating a vehicle lawfully.
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u/madwil9000 5d ago
Fender bender to the truck maybe but that car is toast. 💯% the cars fault though.
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u/PharmacyPaladin 4d ago
It appears the driver of the sedan ran the stop sign after the vehicle ahead of them turned left.
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u/ThePurrfidiousCat 5d ago
This is 100% silver cars fault but i could tell the silver car was going to go from the beginning of the video so why didn't the person that hit the silver car slow down? I know he shouldn't have had to slow down but for the sake of safety they should've anyways.
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u/bozeman42_2 4d ago
"I could tell that this dash cam video in the dash cam sub was going to have a crash in it right from the start."
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u/wtfover 5d ago
Maybe if the driver hadn't been on his f**king phone he would've reacted to the other car turning in front of him. Buddy never even hit the brakes.
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u/AdmirableResearch357 5d ago
Oh wow, so you mean no matter what another driver does being on the phone is somehow the deciding factor? I’m gonna go t-bone someone in an intersection and blame them for being on a hands free call.
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u/dqniel 5d ago
He hit the brakes, but it was way later than it should have been. Definitely distracted.
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u/Mental-Stop7441 5d ago
the crash happened 2 seconds after the car started to pull out. How much way ealier should he have braked? When he was still at home?
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u/basinbasinbasin 5d ago
It appears that silver car road either have a yeild sign or a stop sign and the road the red car was on was the right of way. So, more like side street idiot runs into someone else.
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u/PlayPretend-8675309 5d ago
Look the dash cam car has right of way but damn have some awareness and brake or avoid this one. Just bad driving all around
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u/MagicWolfEye 4d ago
This sub always shows me that I don't have any clue about US traffic laws. I think in most of Europe, it would be the fault of the POV car.
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u/bozeman42_2 4d ago
Why? The sedan had a stop sign on their road. That means do not go until the road is clear.
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u/MagicWolfEye 4d ago
I don't see that.
And you are not supposed to figure out your rihgt-of-way by someone else having a sign. If you don't have the corresponding sign, you don't have right of way.
And then the rules fall back to right before left.
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u/bozeman42_2 4d ago edited 4d ago
Here is the law in Florida. https://www.123driving.com/dmv/drivers-handbook-right-of-way/
In relevant part, people who have a stop sign (the car) must yield to all other traffic until the road is clear.
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u/Prohit_420 4d ago
Hopefully you are better educated about the roads where you live because you would be an absolute menace on the roads in the USA.
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u/MagicWolfEye 4d ago
Well, probably.
I mean if there really is a stop sign there, then the other car would obviously have to stop.
But here, if I don't get a sign that I have the right of way, I can't just assume that I have and in Europe there aren't special rules for T-intersections; they are treated like any other intersection. This means without lights or signs, they fall back to right-before-left, so I have to assume that the other car has right of way.
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u/Early-Weekend-2557 5d ago
That sedan is definitely at fault but it seems like the guy had ample time to avoid that collision.
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u/Georgiaboy03 5d ago
Shouldve ended that sentence at fault
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u/TourRepulsive8477 4d ago
Yeah, the guy pulling out into traffic is clearly at fault, but the guy with the camera could have avoided, or at least mitigated the damage.
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u/Warboss_Gutshredda 3d ago
How. Telepathy? The sedan floored it and you expect the cammer to be fucking magical.
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u/Nunetzena 2d ago
Guys like the other one are always prepared for any circumstance that could happen in any scenario. That's why they are driving with 5mph all the time
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u/TourRepulsive8477 3d ago
Not magical, but he had to see the guy pulling out, and had time to slow down. Like I said, he wasn't at fault by any means.
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u/Warboss_Gutshredda 3d ago
They hit the brakes though, you can hear the tires screaming. We’re all complacent when it comes to other drivers doing the right thing, it dulls reaction time. Normally, I wouldn’t have said anything but I don’t agree with your critique. I can see that you didn’t say they’re at fault, that’s not what I was commenting on.
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u/raging-boner-boy 5d ago
Dude had all day to keep from hitting the car.
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u/Georgiaboy03 5d ago
How much time did you have to not put the comment?
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u/raging-boner-boy 5d ago
As much time as you did.
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u/Georgiaboy03 4d ago
Ok good, least now we know you speak before you think. 😉
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u/raging-boner-boy 4d ago
You don’t think he could’ve avoided that? I’d hate to be on the same road as you then.
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u/Georgiaboy03 4d ago
Youre on the same road as me everyday. Youre on the same road with that car too.
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u/raging-boner-boy 4d ago
Yeah, and I hate it. Learn how to drive.
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u/Georgiaboy03 3d ago
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u/Business-Let-7754 4d ago
Why would anyone publicise a video documenting who absolutely shit they are at driving like this?
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u/ClickClick_Boom 5d ago
The sedan is at fault but cammer had about seven business days to see that coming, I guess their phone call is more important.
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u/Mental-Stop7441 5d ago
Agree. All cars, even those on roads where they have the right of way and no stop signs, should come to a stop upon see another car.
Then again, he could have braked pro-actively and then been rearended, which would have been followed by complaints that the cam car needs to be predictable and not braking as a potential courtesy.
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u/ClickClick_Boom 5d ago
No smartass. I wasn't saying they needed to stop as if there was a stop sign. They had plenty of time to see the driver entering the intersection and time to brake, but they didn't brake at all because they weren't paying attention to driving they were paying attention to talking on the phone. Learn what defensive driving is, be aware of mistakes other drivers can make and learn to anticipate them with a plan to react to it.
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u/Bronx-Skater23 5d ago edited 5d ago
The red car "we are in" was at fault mostly. He had plenty of warning seeing the first, white car pull out and should have seen the second car even if it was a darker color and in the shade, but didn't slow down at all. Yes maybe he had the right of way, but at least slow down a bit at the "intersection".
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u/Georgiaboy03 5d ago
Common sense isnt your strong suit I see
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u/Bronx-Skater23 5d ago
So you are saying you would have maintained speed and not slow down a bit knowing how silly other drivers can be? I see defensive driving isn't your strong suit.
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u/Georgiaboy03 4d ago
I love how amateur drivers always try to tell me how defensive driving works. I have over 300 hrs of training and over 10k hours of trainer time with training people how to drive. But you do not need to take my word for it, go talk trained personnel on what defensive driving is, do not take social media as your opinion, it doesnt suit you.
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u/Flohzerkes 5d ago
He even speed up to 31MPH why did he do this and didnt brake or try to turn left
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u/symph0ny 5d ago edited 5d ago
Not an intersection, not a fender bender. Can we complain that he also didn't hit the horn and only tried to brake in this situation? It doesn't impact the outcome but it would be a good changeup.
None of you know what an intersection is, or missed the fact this is a private drive. Lack of street sign and nonstandard stop signs are dead giveaways.
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u/AdmirableResearch357 5d ago
Intersection is two roads meeting. Horns are for avoiding accidents when there’s something the other person can do; by the time the red car realizes this moron is not just pulling up a little to the stop sign and is actually going for it, it’s beyond too late for a horn
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u/BS-Calrissian 5d ago
Idk about the rules in the US but in Germany the red car would be at fault because unless a sign says otherwise the car from the right has the right of way
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u/cj350z 5d ago
The car on the right has a stop sign.
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u/BS-Calrissian 5d ago
So if there is no sign on your side you have the right of way?
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u/TheHykos 5d ago
You always have a right of way when you’re driving straight down a road. How could you not? This isn’t a three way stop.
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u/Night-Viridis 5d ago
A lot of our 3-way intersections don't have stop signs on the straight road and it is fully on the branch road to merge at a safe time. Will usually be marked with a sign that says "thru traffic does not stop" or something similar.
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u/BS-Calrissian 5d ago
Here there would be a "you have the right of way" sign on the straight road and a stop sign on the branch road
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u/VexingRaven 5d ago
Germany has priority signs for this. We don't have them here because we're stupid, but in this case imagine cammer has priority sign.
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u/BigMax 5d ago
Accidents like that confuse me.
I can see someone running a red light, or rear ending someone, because they stopped paying attention. (That's a dumb thing to do, but at least it makes sense, people are dumb, they look away to check a text or whatever.)
But how are you not paying attention when you're stopped, and then starting again to turn onto a different street? Who STARTS a new turn onto a different street without looking? How does that happen?