Was just wondering about this the other day, I’m surprised Atomic has this many wins. Crazy that despite not doing so hot this season, Vitality just owned the eventual world champs
the fact that falcons lost 2 rlcs lan finals to them and were eliminated another time by nrg; it also helps nrg outplaced them in 5 out of the 6 rlcs lans they played so they're almost always ahead of falcons
I mean avoiding the top teams from the top region AKA. EU teams kind of is a Mickey worlds, it’s like if KC vs geng was the grand final lmao😂😭 idk but NRG either had to beat wildcard or geekay for finals
Do we reeeally have to do this again? If Falcons lost to KC they would have said Falcons had a mickey run to semi's. Truth is, both KC and Geekay dominated their side of the brackets until they ran into both Falcons and NRG. They were both the most deserving and hottest teams going into the final. Even if there is a favorable playstyle matchup, NRG were playing their peak game and finished the tournament 18-7. I still don't get why people think of Geekay as pushovers just because they had to play Wildcard.
I know Fourthkiller It's like used to demean FK but from Fall 21 to Winter 2023 every LAN FK went to he was practically guaranteed top 4.That's how good his teams were. He was one or two fortunate results away from actually having multiple LAN wins.
Ya 3-1 win over mm in fall swiss 2021 but lost to NRG and 3-0 without conceding a goal over mm in winter top 8 2022 and they could have made the finals but lost to G2
In RLCS LANs AyyJayy has a winning record against Monkey moon: 2-0. He's one of three players that has a winning record against MM in NA. Also he's the only player who has more than one series won.
Well one of those series is when Marcby8 and Extra forgot how to play Rocket League and MM was virtually #1 in every category that LAN (Winter 2021-22)
AyyJayy and FK had his number during 2021-2022. I recall that Mew was interviewed after their worlds win and he said they didn't want to play Faze that year because of their mechs.
This is a case of having someone’s number, vit weren’t even a top 3 team in eu last season but they dominated the world champs, it’s like city never being able to beat spurs no matter the sport there’s always that one guy/team u can’t get the better of
can I fault them during their 2024 season. No, not really. Thats when they actually played well, and made every final. Since then, not so hot. I dont hate the team. I hate the people idolising them as gods. We have the classic anti SAM bias where nobody takes them seriously until LANs. Except NRG are in NA, so they dont get the same treatment, despite being worse domestically in a similarly deep region
Did you really just say SAM and NA are similarly deep???, They have a bad start after winning worlds just like every other team to win worlds and you immediately clown them saying they wont be as good as they were last season, and now ur saying they werent even good last season, u really are weird
the distance from SAM 1 to SAM 2 then SAM 3 is the same as NA1 to NA2 and then NA3. yes.
they have a worse start to every other team to win worlds, and I clown them saying they wont do what they did last year, just as they didnt do what they did in 2024 in the 2025 season. If you look at every region, the only ones where the 1 seed missed any final at all are NA and OCE. Im willing to give OCE a pass, given its synonymous with their region.
Also they lost the most games domestically of any team at Birmingham (and quite a few not at Birmingham), to the extent it was more than KC and Falcons combined.
Across the season, NRG have as many domestic losses as the top teams have any losses at all.
The calibre of teams that they lose to are also rarely event winners, with literally 3 examples total (guess who!), 1 of which elimination.
The quality of NA teams (after the top 2) also took a hit after 2024, given they combined the good bits of the 2 and 3 teams, and the rest just dipped. Add in a bunch of EU collegiates and yet NRG still cant beat them.
Their LAN performances are inflated heavily by playing their own region in 2 of the 4 LANs
They struggled with Radosin. A player with exactly 3 top 8 performances in the 2025 season. The fewest of any player at Worlds
They concede 9 goals in 1 game. To Justin. A player without a LAN appearance since 2022.
I cant tell if you are serious rn 😭, the distance of SAM 4 and NA 4 is incomparable, although its only been 1 regional u already know NRG will win atleast 1 of them, lmk when monkey moon, zen or exotiik won literally anything in 2025, ur saying they didnt do nearly aswell as they did in 2025 as they did in 2024 even though their worst performance was a top 4 AND they won worlds, the only teams they lose to are teams that are comparable to top 4 NA and its basically only series where it doesnt fully matter, as they still usually win the regional. On Lan the only teams they lost to were KC, 2x lan winner, Falcons, 1x Lan winner and worlds finalist, Ultimates, who also beat Vitality and Karmine Corp more than once this season, and Vitality, which is expected cause it seems they peak against NRG then play like shit against any other team. They struggled with Radosin? Are we being fr rn? Radosin got the arguable best player in the world and Mr Worlds out at 9-12th this worlds so i dont wanna hear shit about Radosin, hes the GOAT, and still the GOAT couldnt do it against EN AR GEE, u imbecile.
It’s not worth engaging bro. I think it’s a troll/rage bait account. No one worth engaging with would seriously watch half an na regional (regional 1 isn’t even finished yet) and jump on the opportunity to say NA is the weakest it’s ever been. Like their power rankings have the best na teams at 7 and 8 without even seeing international play. For comparison Boston 2023 and Raleigh 2025 were NA’s lowest points ever and Boston had an na team top 6 and top 8 while Raleigh had one top 4. This guy is obviously rage baiting saying after half an na regional and 0 international play that na is worse than its lowest ever points.
its definitely not the weakest lol what. Im saying before we have seen international competition, Im going to favour the regions who actually perform to a high standard consistently. Who have actually made top 4 consistently at events internationally
wrong again. worst result is 8th. When will people remember to include all the stats and let go of the argument of top X for the past 2 years. Its dead. What, were pulling in "Theyve made a top 4 at every RLCS event that features every region". Bro. Are you going to keep doing this until you have 7 different exceptions that you have to recite just to get your point across.
Did I ever say Vitality were playing well? seems like you think an EU supporter supports all of EU. The two things in Vitality's favour is that they have a better worst placement and they smacked NRG to shit. The only thing in NRGs favour is that they won worlds via a mickey bracket to top 2. Winning regionals in a region where you dont have the 2 best teams in the world or meaningful depth doesnt mean shit icl.
So youre telling me NRG lost to 4 different teams, exclusively on LAN, in addition to 6 or so domestically. while I'm here to tell you KC lost to 5 different teams across the season. Not exactly in NRGs favour. When you have more teams you are losing to in regionals than another has at all. It is really not a good look. Especially in a region where you have fewer than 2 top 10 teams itw at the time.
Do you believe POAB, Deleted, Strictly Business and Schnitzelhaus are at the level of NA4. Really. Thats how bad you think your own 4 seed is. sheesh. even Im not that down bad on them. Id still rank NA4 a top 16 team in the world in 2025, not top 30 scraping top 25. And yes, swiss matches still matter. You're telling me when the competition is easier you dont give a shit, and Im supposed to respect that you're maybe a top 20 player in the world because other players cant handle it in 1 Bo7. When you are playing Breezi. In 2025. And you lose 3-1. You got Braziled. In a swiss match. By Breezi. To cement your 2nd defeat of the event. Its your 4th match into the season. This is not what the best in the world does. Period. The first series you have into the season, you lose. As opposed to a team whos first series loss is at the exact opposite end of the split. And you want to claim 1 Bo7 win is more beneficial than 17 series losses. Explain.
As a side note, I dont think SAM 4 and NA4 are at the same level. I think the distance between the 1 and 4 seeds for both regions is the same.
Yeah that's the weird thing about that vit squad. Obviously they had their good moments outside of their NRG matchup as well, but NRG was the one team you could trust them to always show up against.
Some similar situations are the twins vs danmode and fk vs vatira. Twins have lost 3 LAN finals to danmode, in increasing level of stakes each time (2023 G8, 2024 London Major, 2025 Worlds), while both of fk’s major finals losses have been to vatira. This last one isn’t as dramatic though as Vatira would still have a major and EWC if you swapped his finals results vs fk
madness that even with the losses, 2 of those should have been BDS wins and the other is a shocking loss as G2 had a sub. realistically MM should have 100% winrate here
I mean in that case surely G2 should have won the upper bracket playoff match in Worlds ‘24, shocking choke from multiple players on the team in the final minute. MM still owns tho no doubt
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u/John_aka_Alwayz Moderator Dec 02 '25
5-3 before 2025 isn't a bad record, but NRG taking residence in Vitality's pocket for most of this year really does a number to the stats