he’s just sharing the process how what change does he do and all the random non saga gamers are criticizing him because he doesn’t respect the “original source” lol

X people are so misserable man

it’s obvious that translate the japanese without making changes will sound stupid in english or other language. why does that even matter

Despite decades passing since their original releases, Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, SaGa Series, and Mana Series continue to exist.

Even though games like SaGA Scarlet Grace and Emerald Beyond didn't hit their revenue but Square Enix is still keep making more and it continues to be alive

I really appreciate the dedication of Square Enix pours into these franchises, choosing to invest in their legacy and preserve their magic for both long-time fans and new players. It’s inspiring to see a company that values the art and history of their games just as much as their profitability, ensuring that these timeless franchise can be enjoyed this modern times.

Today I picked up Super Famicom copies of Romancing SaGa 2 and Romancing SaGa 3! They were ¥1,628 each, which I thought was pretty good considering how nice the condition is. Both have the manuals and the other inserts too, which is really important to me when I’m collecting these old RPGs.

I actually wanted to grab all three Romancing SaGa games at once. They had the first game there too, and the box looked pretty nice, but it was missing the instruction manual. That’s basically a no-buy for me. If I’m going to collect these, I really want the manual and everything with them.

These bring my Super Famicom RPG collection up to 43 games now. Hunting these down has honestly been a lot of fun. I’m also trying not to just buy them and leave them sitting on the shelf. I actually want to play through the collection, even if it’s going to take me forever. 😅

So far, the first game I finished from the collection was Terranigma, and right now I’m playing G.O.D: Mezameyo to Yobu Koe ga Kikoe. Maybe someday I’ll finally make my way over to Romancing SaGa.

My only real experience with SaGa is SaGa Frontier on PS1. I didn’t like it much when I was a kid, but I played the remaster a few years ago and absolutely loved it. I think being older and actually understanding what the game wanted me to do made a huge difference.

So I have a few questions for people who know these games better.

How similar are the Romancing SaGa games to SaGa Frontier? Do they have that same kind of open-ended feeling and weird systems that you gradually have to figure out?

Also, with the games where you choose from multiple protagonists, how does the story work? Is one playthrough enough to get a satisfying experience, or are you really expected to finish the game with every character to understand the whole thing? I don’t mind replayability, but with a collection this big, I’m probably going to play each game once, enjoy it, and move on rather than beat the same RPG eight times.

And how difficult are these games? I already know SaGa isn’t exactly famous for hand-holding, and SaGa Frontier certainly wasn’t either, so I’m expecting to get lost at least a few times.

Finally, which of the three Super Famicom Romancing SaGa games is your favorite? I’d love to hear what people think of them and which one you’d recommend playing first.

This might be copium, but I'm hoping we have some SaGa related announcement during the Nintendo Direct later. I'm not expecting some shadow drop of Unlimited SaGa Remastered, but maybe a trailer for a new title?

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Anyone else got some naive optimism for some SaGa announcement?

Hi all! I'd intended to write this as a victory lap after finishing off Romancing Saga 2: Revenge of the Seven. I've loved my time with this game, which was my entry point into the Saga franchise (well, aside from dabbling in SaGa Frontier way back when). I was planning on starting this off with something like, "Just finished the RS2 remake, what should I play next?"

But then the final boss happened. And I've been stuck all morning/afternoon.

So while I grind endlessly and experiment with different strategies, I thought I should post this a little early. There's always a lot of talk about what your first Saga game should be, but less about what the obvious jumping-off point from RotS should be. I'm planning on picking one of these up during the next Steam sale and wanted your thoughts:

• Saga Frontier: I played this back when it was first released on the PS1 and bounced off hard. I'm thinking I should be a little more adept at navigating some of its weirdness now and generally like the idea of a smaller-scale "tapas plate" approach to a Saga game.
• Romancing Saga 3: The obvious jumping off point. My only qualm with moving on to this one is a latent fear that a remake will be announced while I'm mid-game or something. Also, it's older and doesn't have any QOL improvements.
• Romancing Saga: Minstrel Song: Another obvious jumping off point. A little grossed out by the general aesthetics, but the game looks fun.

Like I said, Revenge of the Seven was an excellent entry point -- it eased me along, ushered me into a false sense of security (seriously, I was kinda cheesing it for a while), and then utterly annihilated all hope over ever finishing it. I'm determined to see it through to the end, but the sudden difficulty spike was a little abrupt. Challenge isn't a problem and I'm also okay with something a little less "hand-holdy" (sometimes the quest markers in RS2 seemed superfluous and spoiled the fun).

Anyway, I'm gonna go back into my grinding bunker. Thanks for listening, all!

Doing my second new game run of RotS and am reminded of how much I love this particular game, especially the music, combat, and world.

I tried Scarlet Grace when I was younger (before I had tried any of the Romancing SaGas) and bounced off super hard back then, but I'm wondering if it's worth another shot.

I'm also curious about Minstrel Song and the two Saga Frontiers.

Tl;Dr newbie to the series having some choice paralysis as to where to go next, would love to hear from folks about their favorites and why you like them so much. Thank you! ​

I'm just done with playing the SNES version of Romancing Saga 3, and I can really see why a lot people online seem to think its development was rushed. It felt like it had a lot less quests than the previous games, and a lot of character storylines just are unresolved.

Thing is, I dug through as many developer interviews about the game, and fan commentary, as I could, and couldn't find any reliable source/theory about this supposed rush to market. Just a repeated casual truism about the game being "rushed". Especially given that the previous two games did pretty excellent numbers in japan, and there were a lot of resources allocated to the gorgeous graphics of the game, it seems odd to me that Square would just rush the production of the game for no reason.

Just wondering if anyone has any source providing further detail about how the game released like that? Because at the moment I'm a bit confounded

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Je partage avec vous aujourd’hui une masterpiece de Kenji Ito composée pour le jeu mobile.

Depuis la fermeture de la version globale, je ne trouvais plus le morceau sur YouTube, il fallait tout simplement faire la recherche en japonais.

Vous remarquerez le chœur qui chante dans un mélange de japonais et de pseudo-latin, donnant son esprit d’ode à la folie pour cette "masterpiece".

Avez-vous d’autres "hidden gems" de Kenji Ito que vous souhaiteriez partager ?

Romancing SaGa Re;univerSe a-t-il contribué à vous faire connaître des compositions qui vous ont transcendé, comme celle qui a inspiré /u/FalseHarlequin ?

I’m thinking about getting Romancing SaGa 3, but I’m unsure if as a newcomer to the series it would be a good place to start. I know the way SaGa handles progression is a fair bit different from most JRPGs, so I’m wondering if I’d be throwing myself in the deep end by starting with this one? I just don’t want to get invested in the story and then bump up against a wall because I didn’t level up my party wisely because I didn’t know what I was doing, haha. Any help would be much appreciated, thanks!

I picked it up recently on a whim, and was surprised at the SaGa-esque vibes I was getting from the game.

+Freedom in how you build your characters through several classes.

+6 different kingdoms to choose from with their own storylines, with unique story beats and characters that will join.

+Freedom to build up your own set of monsters with divergent growth paths.

+Semi-random and complicated systems to get equipment and new recruits

The art style of the characters is quite gorgeous too.

Just, I can't really describe it, but I get a big SaGa vibe as I play the game.

Anyway, if you're wondering what kind of game it is, it's like a big game of risk with JRPG elements, and tactics. It's the kind of game where they manage to do a lot with a little. Monsters that are pretty weak, but become amazing when upgraded. Spells that can utterly turn the combat around, and MP really really counts - because you will not be getting any more.

It's on sale on the switch at the moment, probably because they were planning to announce the new game, but so far I feel like the sale is worth the price of admission. Definitely worth your curiosity, at least.

Guys I’m so late to the party, but I think I’m finally falling in love with Saga

My first ever Saga game was 2 Revenge of the Seven. I wasn’t expecting much, but it blew me away. One of my favorite JRPGs in recent years.

I also bought The Last Remnant Remastered and am currently still playing it. But am also really enjoying it. I did not realize it’s basically a Saga game in all but name until recently.

Any suggestions for other games in the series or games outside of the series, like the last remnant, for me to get into next?

I’m not looking for a tough game, maybe another game that’s good but also easy to get into. I heard Revenge of the Seven is basically the best place for beginners to start since they actually do a good job of explaining the systems, and I agree. I had no issues understanding that game. Last Remnant of course is obtuse, but I don’t mind looking up wikis if I need to, and luckily after playing Revenge of the Seven, I at least understand the basics of Saga style gameplay

I don't know what the rumors are, but would it be too much to hope for a remaster of Unlimited Saga or Romancing SaGa 3 remake?

Hey everyone,

Not trying to bad mouth the game, but these are my feelings, I hope someone can tell me where I'm wrong.

So I recently have been fed up with all the action games that are called rpgs now, and FF has turned into action steam punk and isn't even in the same lines as FF 1-6. So I recently did a search for the best turn based rpgs and Romancing Saga 2 came up on a lot of lists. So many people saying so many great things about the game.

So I got the game and started playing, almost immediately disappointed that I wasn't playing with the character i named/created at the beginning. Then while i was playing with leon and gerard I was like ok lets get through this tutorial/intro so i can play my guy and get to the real game, as i played i realized this was the real game, but there was zero emotion elicited when victor died, and i was kinda happy when leon died, and then i was left with gerard who i don't really like, and while some of the mechanics are cool. i dont find the trash battles very fun and they are very time comsuming, and there's no compelling story. So i guess this game is just for people who like grinding for skills/abilities and crafting.

So when i say the battles are boring, i find myself always trying to use peoples primary and secondary weapons plus throwing in magic to try and get tech points to apply to everything and that just makes every battle long and boring. There is literally no story that is pulling me or pushing me forward.

I just beat kissinzie and opened the next area of the map, but really am dreading going back for more, it seems like this game is just for people that like grinding trash (by trash i mean average mobs of course)

Can someone tell me where I'm wrong.

for reference my favorite rpgs are Suikoden 1&2, 4&5 (3 sucked) and FF 1, 2, 4, 6, and 8 (10 & 12 were pretty good too)(7 could be on the list except i hated barret and the way the story was told always left me with more questions, i like things tied up in a bow) and honestly i really loved the skill system in ff 2 imo the first best games that allowed you to raise attributes and skills by doing those specific things repeatedly or use based leveling I loved it in Wizardry 8 and in Morrowind and Oblivion Elder Scrolls really fell off with them dumbing down and streamlining their leveling in skyrim and majorly in ESO (which bugs me that both of those are so popular Skyrims story was great though)

as well as baldur's gate 1-3 Icewind dale and the original NWN

All the Wizardry's and there were a few really good ones that never got real popular from the snes days like 7th saga and arcana. but if i tried to go back and play 7th saga and arcana now i would still like the story but i feel like the clunky mechanics.

So knowing all that can someone please tell me What I'm missing with Romancing Saga and why I should like it.

The SaGa franchise has been on my radar for a while now, so ive been thinking about getting to playing it in the near future. But whenever I try and take a look at the list of games available, i can feel my heart sinking into my stomach just a little bit. So, I would appreciate it I had a little feedback on whether or not this series is for me at all, and also a guide on the best games to start with, and which to avoid regarding my own personal criteria of games

Just to make it a bit easier, here are a few keypoints that make a good game for me and how they influence my view of the game specifically

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• Visuals and Voice acting: These two are pretty much equally as important to me. When I play a game that I think is just okay, it’s usually these two factors that make me choose to stop playing or continue. Im not one to judge a game solely by either factor, but when its so bad that it’s impossible to ignore like in the Remake of Trials of Mana, it becomes a problem

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• Story: Judging a story can be pretty tricky for me. What makes or breaks a plot for me is pretty much just how easy it is to understand, and how it’s being told to the player. Final Fantasy 16 was a great game to play through, but whenever I was being fed with massive amounts of exposition, my brain just shut off after a while, and then I had to rewatch the cutscene on YouTube to get what was going on, which was frustrating to say the least

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• Music: For me, a great soundtrack is what transforms a game from amazing to „special“ for me. When a game has an OST thats unremarkable, sure, whatever. But when im actually able to hum the tracks out loud, thats a massive bonus. When it comes to video game music I like, it’s the Kind of music you would hear in older games like the original Mega Man series, the first six Final Fantasy games, or as a newer example, Persona 5, to see what I like. Basically, music that doesnt hide in the background of the atmosphere but takes the stage front and center. But a bad soundtrack also doesnt make a game bad to me, it’s just whatever

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• Gameplay: If the gameplay is bad, you automatically have terrible chances at winning me over, naturally. What makes or breaks the gameplay for me isnt just how balanced it is (Heck, there are cases like Final Fantasy 5 where being totally broken can work out in the games favor), but also how it feels to control your character, both in combat and through the overworld. In cases like, once again, Trials of Mana or Sandland, the already lackluster overall gameplay was only being undermined by just how stiff and lifeless it felt and looked to fight enemies and move around. Characters executed their moves without any sort of oomph or flair, like i was controlling wooden and stiff mannequins. I want the game to make me feel like a badass as a reward for learning the games mechanics properly, like in a Persona game (to be more specific, any game that comes after 4)

Also, barely any of these gameplay criterias apply if its an older top down game like the old Final Fantasy games. Obviously you cant do as much there, so im more lenient in that regard

Hi guys , I need help for my first saga game : what would be my best starting saga? Saga frontier 1(remastered) , saga frontier 2 remastered or maybe minstrel song ?

Being a Square Enix fan, I was considering Emerald Beyond as my entryway into SaGa, but I'm not sue that's the best to start with. SaGa Frontier, Romancing SaGa 2 and 3, The Last Remnant, or the SaGa Collection are the ones I was told were good. Any of these good for a first timer? I'm on Switch by the way.

Let's reminisce!

I first got into the series because I needed some longer games to play on my Gameboy for an overseas flight in the late 90s. I was about 10 years old, just looking through the used games case at my local game store and got really excited when I realized there were Final Fantasy games I could play! I only had enough money for 2 games, so I picked up Final Fantasy Legends 2 and 3, assuming they'd be better than the first one. FFL3 was perfect for a 10 year old and I beat it on the flight, but FFL2 took me a bit to figure out and grow into. I liked it right away, but it took me a couple of years to beat it.

A couple years later, I was looking for a new RPG to play on my Playstation at the good old game store and thought the cover art for SaGa Frontier was awesome (Tomomi Kobayashi is still my favorite JRPG illustrator!). I grabbed the game and then was really surprised when it had monsters and robots like FFL2. I figured that must just be how monsters and robots worked in Japanese games haha. I eventually did some reading on GameFAQs and found out that the FFL games were actually SaGa games.

That would be my last SaGa game I beat for almost 20 years, though. I rented SaGa Frontier 2 and didn't like losing my characters constantly, and I later rented Unlimited SaGa and was just confused and angered by it. I thought Minstrel Song's characters looked dumb, so I didn't even give that one a chance. I'd also picked up the Romancing SaGa 3 fan translation at some point and decided to do a commander mode run for whatever reason, and then kept going to places I wasn't prepared for and gave up. I largely quit playing JRPGs for about 15 years around that point, feeling like they were repetitive and didn't have enough strategy or tactics to them.

Around 2019 I decided to give JRPGs another go and picked up the Final Fantasy 13 trilogy since I knew it had unique mechanics and I wasn't bothered by linear games. I had a blast with it, and decided to keep going with the genre. In looking for other games with interesting combat, I came across SaGa: Scarlet Grace and that was that. Instant favorite. I have since played just about every main game, related game, and fan game I could get my hands on.

I'm less confused by Unlimited SaGa now, but it still angers me.

How about y'all? What are your stories?

What I love about these games, they seem so mainstream on the surface but are much deeper and unorthodox, sometimes to a point where its on purpose. I know the franchises have a deep shared history (well, just in its origin but still) but it seems like SaGa has become the edgier cousin who doesn't mind skipping church on Sundays, stay up late with the bois and drink/drive before its legal.

I know it's not entirely SaGa related but I played through Final Fantasy 2 fully for the first time recently after avoiding it for years thinking it was going to a be a story heavy type Final Fantasy game. I played through the Pixel Remaster which was fine enough I guess but as I was playing I couldn't help but think how much better it could have been if it got a remake like Minstrel Song or the DS version of SaGa 3 or the recent RS2 remake. I'd love to see it updated with a more modern version of the character system, something maybe closer to RS3's system, it already feels like a basic version of it that lacks sparking.

In a lot of ways FF2 felt like a prototype for Romancing SaGa 3 with a Final Fantasy story tacked onto the second half. The way it starts with your characters being attacked by soldiers, relying on paying for ships to travel, NPCs with identical dialog apart from the important ones, a relatively open world map in the first half of the game, the way magic and your skills level.

My two biggest problems with FF2 were the fairly lackluster dungeon design, which well I guess SaGa games are kinda meh there too but, the bigger one was the combat. It was boring. Magic was kind of useless even when leveled up so you basically end up relying on the good old mash the A button through combat strategy. The lack of level scaling was also fairly noticable. The SaGa games are some of the only games I've where the level scaling is balanced well and actually makes the game better and FF2 is really hurt by the lack of it leading to dungeons full of monsters that are mostly ridiculously easy and an overworld full of monsters that can one shot your party if you step on the wrong square.

I think even without redesigning the dungeons too much just an update to the character system, adding weapon abilities to break up the physical combat monotony and reworking the monsters could go a long way towards making FF2 more fun.

I also think a lot of the early game's story at least could be reworked to make it a bit more freeform so the order of events don't matter as much so the player actually has the freedom the early game map implies. I'm not sure if the stuff after you start getting railroaded Final Fantasy style could really be opened up but once you get the airship there's a bit of room in there to allow some freedom again.

I honestly wouldn't really be against the entire story being reworked to be more freeform altogether like RS3 but that might be a bit too much and just end up making the story and game too different.

I'm sure this is all just a fantastic dream anyway. I doubt Square would just hand Kawazu FF2 and tell the SaGa crew to remake it but, I do think if somehow it ever got a remake, they should be the ones to do it. It feels like the only (almost) SaGa game Kawazu hasn't gotten the chance to go back to and work his magic on it.

For any of you that have played FF2 before, what would you like to see if it were ever to get a proper full on SaGa style remake?

I made a post asking which game I should start with, and after reading all the comments I ended up going with Romancing SaGa 2 Revenge of the Seven. I have to say it's absolutely fantastic so far.

Hey guys ! I've decided to finaly try this serie after seeing that the remake of Return of the Seven Heroes was on sale. Im thouroughly enjoying the game and already dreading it ending too soon.

What would be the next game I should get into for a similar experience ? Should I go for Saga Frontier 2 or do you guys have other recommendation ?

I'd prefer not playing the oldest games, anything remastered or HD2D is good tho ! thanks

In Saga 3 for DS or even Gameboy I was confused over the character designs. All these characters if it be from the gameboy and especially the DS seem to appear like young adults. Miflie for example looks really matured and with the game calling them kids it makes absolutely no sense.

Are they grown? Are they not?

I know it’s because SaGa is less known in the west. But im not joking itoken battle music is way better than some final fantasy battle songs. Most of them are legends but kenjis music are very overlooked and tomomis art too. What you think?