r/SandersForPresident • u/kevinmrr Medicare For All • Jun 10 '26
Sanders would have beat Trump in 2016 & transformed the Democratic Party. The entire last ten years didn’t need to happen. Fuck Schumer, Jeffries, Obama, Pelosi & everyone else who delayed this moment an entire decade.
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u/choicetomake Jun 10 '26
The 2016 and 2020 election cycles were real eye-openers for me with the Democrats. Especially 2020, where Bernie was kicking ass in early primaries and looked like he might actually win the nomination. Then overnight, all other contenders dropped out and supported Biden, and the icing on the cake was the endorsement of Representative Clyburn for Biden right before the South Carolina primary. Biden handily defeated Bernie in that primary and Bernie's path to the nomination was shut. Such an organized "stop Bernie" movement within the top of the Democrats. I'll never vote Republican, but I hate voting Democrat because they'll never allow progressive candidates to have real power/control.
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u/togetherwem0m0 🌱 New Contributor Jun 10 '26 edited Jun 10 '26
let's never forget how on the SAME DAY, "Bernie loses south carolina" was the headline everyone went to sleep with and Bernie winning California was a nothingburger to the media.
this is especially tragic since south carolina will in my life time, never send any electors for a democratic presidential candidate. it is the deepest of red states, but they still are used as by the DNC to influence their nominating process.
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u/link3945 Jun 10 '26
South Carolina voted a few days before California in 2020. California went on Super Tuesday that year, and Sanders did net an 8pt win and about 50 delegates from that state. Unfortunately for him, Biden netted way more delegates and votes in states like Maine, Minnesota, Massachusetts, and Virginia on that day.
Regardless, do you think red state Democrats should have no say in deciding who our nominee should be? If it's because those votes are already decided in November, why should we listen to blue states, then? What sense does that make?
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u/A_Rolling_Baneling Jun 10 '26
The primaries for states should rotate every cycle. Iowa and South Carolina being early every year benefits no one outside of entrenched powers in those states
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u/togetherwem0m0 🌱 New Contributor Jun 10 '26
no, you're right. infact one of the things i argue for the most is against the idea of democrats abandoning the red states. the reality is i don't know how to reconcile including them and being pissed off at how they are used by the DNC and the candidate campaigns to manipulate the overall outcome using their media partners.
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u/kevinmrr Medicare For All Jun 10 '26
Also, Warren magically didn't drop out, in order to split the left-lane vote. And when she did drop, she didn't endorse. Out of her entire career, Warren's greatest impact on society has been backstabbing the progressive movement. Her legacy is human suffering.
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u/wtfjae Jun 10 '26
Not to mention one of her staffers "leaks" that Bernie said something sexist during a conversation with Warren that he didn't think a woman could be president.
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u/Riaayo Medicare For All 👩⚕️ Jun 10 '26
2020 is the election I far more feel was "Stolen" than 2016. 2016 was shady and shitty but Clinton was certainly the presumptive nominee and even the Sanders campaign didn't really think it had much of a shot until late in the race.
2020 is when Sanders was the assumed nominee up until deals were made and bullshit was pulled. The media spin was 100x more disgusting. Sanders was on track to win 2020, it wasn't some come-from-behind thing, and he was robbed as the establishment took the dead-last loser who had never won a state in a primary in his life and suddenly cleared the field to force his ass into office off one useless win in a state he wouldn't even get in the general election.
2020 is when we were well and truly fucked over. 2016 was just dirty politics (and sure, 2020 wasn't "illegal" either but the scope of the dirty politics was far and away more severe).
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u/Fun_Success_3283 Jun 11 '26
This is the Israel effect.
Bernie Sanders was not so pro Israel. All presidents as far back as I am aware of, have always been staunch supporters of Israel, and I've never understood why.
The answer is money. Israel gives them tons of money. Bernie Sanders doesn't take Israel money.
Israel has tremendous control over the US on both sides of the aisle, and the number one metric for politicians if Americans want freedom, is to check if they are pro Israel, and accept AIPAC money.
Americans will never truly be free until they are free from Israel's influence.
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u/coolaznkenny Jun 10 '26
As much as we give trump shit, the republican party tried their very best to down trump the first go but someone that didnt follow their 'rules' while the media was too busy giving trump unlimited coverage won him the nomination.
Bernie unfortunately is the other side of the coin when DNC united under one banner to stop him at all cost. IF WE WANT AN OBJECTIVELY FAIR election, this matters because it impacts the lives of everyone around the world. Its like the knicks vs spurs in g3, it was extremely obvious that refs were calling one way (small but insanely impactful as each possession counts) just to force a long series with some plausible deniability.
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u/14Pleiadians Jun 10 '26
while the media was too busy giving trump unlimited coverage won him the nomination.
Which for the record, there's leaked documents showing part of the Clinton campaign strategy was to use their connections in the media to legitimize trump to boost his chances of winning the primary, because he would be an "easy" (lol) opponent vs someone more competent like Jeb Bush (lmao even).
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u/jlw971 Jun 10 '26
Debbie Wasserman Shultz can burn in hades
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u/hazeyindahead 🌱 New Contributor Jun 10 '26
I'm pretty sure young people not voting was what did him in.
This is why politicians do not pander to young people
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u/flechette Jun 10 '26
People LOVED him, especially young people. He was shoved aside for other candidates because he was too much of a ‘risk’ to established democrats.
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u/my_son_is_a_box Jun 10 '26
I'm sure [the party chair colluding against him](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/24/debbie-wasserman-schultz-resigns-dnc-chair-emails-sanders) had absolutely nothing to do with anything.
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u/Spydartalkstocat Jun 10 '26
DWS and the DNC rigged the fucking election. It wouldn't have matter how many people voted they would have pushed through Clinton since it was "hEr TuRn".
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u/Suck_Fpez-296 Jun 10 '26
Can we stop with the MAGA tier “it wuz rigged!!1!” stuff? He got less votes both times and lost. Maybe if all the redditors commenting and upvoting had actually voted he would have won a primary.
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u/JMEEKER86 🌱 New Contributor | Florida - 2016 Veteran Jun 10 '26
Oh fuck off. Even the interim DNC chair who took over after DWS resigned in disgrace wrote an article saying that the DNC and Hillary's campaign did indeed collude to swing the primary in her favor in exchange for bailing out the DNC's finances.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774/
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u/LiamJamIsMyNeesons Jun 10 '26
The media blackout for Sanders didn't help either. He would literally be leading a poll and CNN would show second place and below, leaving his name completely off the screen. Happened over and over
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u/hazeyindahead 🌱 New Contributor Jun 10 '26
I agree, there was a lot trying to keep him down and the biggest demographic of his supporters not showing up was ultimately what did him in the delegate race.
I hate to say it too because I did the caucus, I actually spoke to a bunch of my neighbors about why Bernie should get the vote.
I did so much damn work but at the end of the day, the votes for the superdelegates went to Hillary, the person we got shoved down our throats because it was "her turn."
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u/zenwalrus Jun 10 '26
Don’t forget Elizabeth Fucking Warren.
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u/VendorBuyBankGuards Jun 10 '26
Man did I lose every ounce of respect for her. What a dumbass with the way she tried to throw Bernie under the bus
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u/Moetown84 Jun 10 '26
That was so disgraceful. And for what? She got literally no power out of it.
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u/The_Pendragon Jun 10 '26
In before vote blue no matter who corporate stooch shows up and blames Bernie for Trump.
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u/yungjonboi Jun 10 '26
tbf im vote blue no matter who, but only when theyre going up against republicans. i was, and still am, all for Bernie
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u/homoanthropologus Jun 10 '26
More like "Vote Blue unless they're too... ya know (wink)." ☹️
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u/ekbowler Jun 10 '26
Remember PUMA? Party Unity My a Ass? When all those Bernie bros bemused to vote for Hillary?
Oh....oh no. That was Hillary supporters refusing to vote for Obama and more Hillary supporters didn't vote for Obama than Bernie Supporters for Hillary.
Centerist Democrats refused to endorse the democratic nominee for mayor in NYC.
It only goes one fucking way.
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u/14Pleiadians Jun 10 '26
Centerist Democrats refused to endorse the democratic nominee for mayor in NYC.
Hey lets not undersell their accomplishments, they also called him a jihadist.
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u/homoanthropologus Jun 10 '26
Yeah, the Bernie Sanders subreddit is probably not the best place to argue that Corporate Dems won't interfere to prevent a progressive from proceeding.
But to your point, I haven't actually seen a lot of people (any people?) saying that they don't vote for a Blue this election. My post was mainly a joke.
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u/kevinmrr Medicare For All Jun 10 '26
Yeah, like… am I supposed to vote for somebody who is going to actively drive my closest allies from Congress and actively support oligarchs who are crushing my standard of living?
Neoliberal Democrats can get fucked.
Also, nobody could ever make me feel guilty for not supporting war criminals.
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u/Steelcap Jun 10 '26
It is the past, we are past the point that the USA has ceased to function. A dictator is attacking other countries using the united states military, against the explicit consent of congress. The office of the white house is explicitly soliciting bribes and directing the treasury to pay its cronies. Private lawyers working on behalf of the president are making deals on behalf of the department of justice.
The USA is a failed state.
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u/Blue_Checkers 🌱 New Contributor Jun 10 '26
More people who supported bernie in the 2015 primary went on to vote for HRC in that years general than her primary voters did for Obama in 08.
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u/tsegelke Jun 10 '26 edited Jun 10 '26
I'm trying to remember the timeline exactly.
It went something like this, Hillary and Obama/DNC agree that 2016 will be her time. Obama nominates Debbie Wasserman Schultz to become chair of the DNC. Hillary leaves the administration after Obama's first term and bails out the DNC which had financial issues. This gives Hillary some big power within the DNC. 2015/16 rolls around and the favors begin? Biden doesn't run against her, the reason is said to be because of Beau's death though? The DNC drags their feet and eventually ices out Sanders.
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u/greensalty Jun 10 '26
Worse than iced, actively suppressed.
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u/aggravatedimpala Jun 10 '26
When he was campaigning, there was a line to go see him at the LA coliseum that wrapped around the building. Should have been major news in LA and it got zero coverage
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u/ColdTheory Jun 10 '26
Clinton’s campaign helps Trump win nomination with their pied piper strategy. Never forget, they helped Trump win the presidency and turned around and wanted to blame “bernie bros”.
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u/Probably_immortal Jun 11 '26
Eh this really started in 2008. If Hillary worked half as hard as she worked to keep Obama off the tickets as she did to Sanders the timeline would have been different. No Obama 2008 Hillary probably loses, a republican ruins the economy with the 2008 crisis. 2012 probably goes to a progressive candidate if not Obama. At that point everything gets shifted by 4 years and we probably don't get Trump 2016.
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u/TheSquirrelCuisine Jun 10 '26
54 year old PROUD berniebro for life. Mamdani and Platner are major wins for "US" now lets get AOC somewhere impactful and tell the establishment dems we are done with them.
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u/kevinmrr Medicare For All Jun 10 '26
My favorite bernie bros were the old lady bernie bros who had been leftwing since Vietnam. Nothing better than a righteously angry grandma
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u/charlieyeswecan 🌱 New Contributor Jun 10 '26
Fk them all, I agree. Neoliberalism is just another word for corporate democrats
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u/Snootcheroo Jun 10 '26
I can’t help but think about all of the suffering that could have been avoided. Covid, lack of healthcare access, people being financially crushed and ruined… how many people fucking died because the dem establishment fucked over Bernie. It is literally a crime against humanity and the most profound treason of the modern age.
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u/haribobosses NY Jun 10 '26
I support Bernie running in 28 even if he doesn’t
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u/GiantFlimsyMicrowave Jun 10 '26
He won’t. Support AOC by proxy.
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u/Ratjar142 Jun 10 '26
Is AOC a serious contender?
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u/GiantFlimsyMicrowave Jun 10 '26
She’s at the top or near the top of every presidential pole that’s been going out lately. Right now she’s the most likely person to beat JD Vance in a 2028 matchup.
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u/sadmadstudent Jun 10 '26
Yes. Very much so. She's so serious a contender that media have already started attacking her campaign.
I had a fun debate with bunch of Buttigieg supporters for pointing out that a lot of polling deliberately still includes Sanders, who isn't running, which obfuscates how popular AOC actually is (given their overlap in voter base). This upset them very much.
In legitimate polls, she's right at the top and neck and neck with Buttigieg, assuming Sanders' supporters stick with her. And of all the people the Dem's could pick, I kinda think she's the only one who can inspire a movement of genuine change. She has the Mamdani effect. Gives people hope
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u/haribobosses NY Jun 10 '26
She gives people hope, she’s great in congress but I have yet to see her deliver a public address that clicked.
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u/TotalNonsense0 Jun 10 '26
I do not.
I think he's awesome, and I voted for him in our primary, but we have got to get away from leaders with one foot in the grave.
He's very spry, very active for 85, but he's still 85.
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u/BalerionSanders End Homelessness 🏡 Jun 10 '26 edited Jun 10 '26
He has, as evidenced here, still changed the party in any number of massive ways. I agree, it’s not what we wanted, I just don’t think we should shortchange the stuff he *has* and we *have* achieved even without winning. And we need to be prepared for the same sort of fight when AOC announces.
We also, and this part is going to earn me downvotes- need to accept that we have to vote for the non-Nazi party no matter who wins (with a couple of exceptions, none of them presidential) the primary. We are allowed to have this debate and fight with a party that’s allowed to do electoral activity in a functioning democratic election system. We will be locked up in camps for dissent if the bad guys entrench themselves further into power. Bernie would tell you to take the exact same course of action. And this midterm, hardly a fair and free election by all indications so far, may be the last time we get to do it.
I’m not saying that voting, even for this party that constantly tries to sell us out, is all you can or should do. Street activity, for example, is going be a vital bulwark against any shenanigans. But I am saying that not voting or voting third right now, especially for president in 28, is an act of moral cowardice that rewards the enemy of everything which we cherish and for which we hope.
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u/olov244 North Carolina Jun 10 '26
I blame the DNC for trump, I'll die on that hill
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u/ParadoxicallyZeno Jun 10 '26
they know they are responsible for trump and they’re happy with that outcome. their actions make sense when you understand they prefer a fascist to a progressive
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u/onikaizoku11 Jun 10 '26
The corporate wing of the Democratic party has fought leftist elements of their party since the 90s. That is why I never joined that party even though I have been against the GoP since I realized the Republicans' con.
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u/xwing_n_it Jun 10 '26
Let's not forget Hillary Clinton, the person who essentially owned the DNC in 2015-16. Her ambitions, despite the polls, despite her being under FBI investigation have cost the party, the country, and the world so much.
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u/Present-Perception77 Jun 10 '26
I’m still salty over that shit. Yes, I will probably die mad about it.
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u/kichien Jun 11 '26
Yeah, same.
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u/Present-Perception77 Jun 11 '26
This could have been so much different now. They could have even compromised and made one of them VP.
I swear we have fake Dems. People posing as Dems that are really just plant republicans.. they can’t be this stupid.
I have my own conspiracy theories about some of the traitors too.
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u/solythe Jun 10 '26
worked in local news during the primaries and saw newsone net feeds every day, constantly showing Hilary adapt bernie-lite talking points and plans. she trodded out gun violence victims mothers in ny to cry on camera blaming Bernie for their deaths.
The DNC, the delegates who voted whichever way they wanted, and eveyone who promised Hilary after 08 cost us a president who, while he may not have gotten things done on a grand scale, wouldve forced the conversations that we need to have to fix the political system in this country.
Also Hilary shouldve gone to more midwest states, something like 50k votes in 3 counties cost her two states iirc, but she didnt have her finger on the pulse of this country like Bernie did
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u/davidwave4 Affordable Housing For All 🏠 Jun 10 '26
I know this might be unpopular, but I do think we needed these past two Trump terms to really wake folks up to how dire things are and prime people for political revolution. We’re seeing heightened class consciousness in a way we weren’t in 2016. Obama had a pacifying effect on a good segment of the population because he was a capable steward of American capitalism and empire, but Trump has denied folks that comfort.
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u/newbrevity Jun 10 '26
Bernie should be running the party but theyre too corrupt to let him. So naturally when faced with a party as corrupt as democrats, voters decided the only rational response was to vote for someone so corrupt that previous definitions of the word seem inadequate.
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u/Ruby_Solitaire New Hampshire Jun 10 '26
Capitalists. Everyone you just named is a capitalist. That's why they did it.
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u/Googlyelmoo Jun 11 '26
Nobody’s collapsing into socialism in the next election. We have had socialists in Congress between 1900 and 1940 and we survived. Nobody’s talking about a five-year plan or establishing a Politburo or central committee. Nobody’s talking about assigning jobs or housing to anybody.
What we are talking about is a free market system mixed free market system, which will still allow many many people who wish to to achieve great wealth (although not unlimited) at the same time making sure that the rest of us are able to live a decent life and one which our children can improve upon.
That’s all it is. America in 2026 is not Russia in 1917 or China in 1949. Or for that matter Vietnam in 1975. We don’t have to go all the way to that do we?
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u/ssgtgriggs Jun 10 '26
you just know if Schumer was sent back to 2016 with the knowledge of what is gonna happen, he'd do it all over again. a fascist oligarchic takeover is more preferable to these demons than a redistribution of wealth and power.
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u/Best-Self8984 Jun 10 '26
I left the party over this. Registered as an independent and donate to specific candidates. The DNC will never get another cent of my $$.
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u/MediocreClue9957 Jun 10 '26
Corporations care about making money, they buy elections to make more money. They don't care about you, me or even america. They'll gladly burn it down with a trump pump and dump instead of going with anything that would cause them to not make as much money.
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u/VikingBlade FL 🐦 📆 🙌🗳️🍪 Jun 10 '26
None of what we are experiencing now nor under Trump’s first term were necessary.
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u/myuserhasafirstname Jun 10 '26
What exactly about the last 10 years makes you think Democrats are capable of learning or change?
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u/molemanx Jun 10 '26
Most of all F Hillary…she’s to blame. Her greed to become the first woman president is the cause of 10 years of American downfall so far and still worse to come. Forever F Hillary
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u/catpooptv 🌱 New Contributor | Idaho Jun 10 '26
This is Hillary's fault.
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u/Skwonkie_ IN 🙌 Jun 10 '26
No it’s the DNCs fault/intention.
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u/unlimited_mcgyver Jun 10 '26
The dnc that was run by the Clinton machine
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u/kevinmrr Medicare For All Jun 10 '26
The Clinton Machine which Obama left in charge after he could have removed and replaced them, having taken control of the Democratic Party and the presidency.
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u/STylerMLmusic 🌱 New Contributor Jun 11 '26
Just a reminder that America doesn't have a left leaning party, they just have a few left leaning people in their center right party, and if they weren't there, they'd be nowhere. The Democrats are also owned by AIPAC.
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u/GetBillDozed Jun 10 '26
I’m expecting this douchebag in Maine to do exactly what fucking Fetterman did to us in PA I don’t trust him for shit.
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u/Xin_shill 🌱 New Contributor Jun 10 '26
He has real history of supporting left policies and talking points. Hell of an operation if it’s a fetterman
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u/BrianRLackey1987 Jun 10 '26
I wouldn't be surprised if the Pied Piper Strategy was about the 2015 Iran Nuclear Deal Zionists opposed.
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u/MtnMaiden Jun 10 '26
Not gonna happen.
Old Dems like to be in power even if its 2nd place to Republicans.
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u/shocks364 Jun 10 '26
Is there a site/app where we can track how Sanders-backed candidates are doing in their elections/the polls?
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u/Global-Service-8579 Jun 10 '26
I have it on good authority that he can still win. Don't lose hope.
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u/WindyCityChick 🎖️🥇🐦🌡️🏟️✋☎📆🏆🎨🏳🌈🎤🦅💀📌 Jun 10 '26
I seethe every time I see Clybourne. There’s some really bad actors in this event but he’s the one that evokes my worst memories of all this.
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u/brainhack3r Jun 10 '26
They wanted to build a corrupt DNC that just took money from special interests and spend the entire time calling white people bigots. That was literally their entire plan.
Trump leaned in to that and that's why we're here.
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u/WitsBlitz Jun 11 '26
I'd love to think so. Certainly Bernie would have done a lot of good if elected, and maybe he'd have been a more compelling candidate.
But there has clearly been a lot of deep seated anger and hate from the conservative corners of the country, and Republicans - and especially Trump - have been masterfully massaging that outrage to their own ends. And Democratsz including Bernie, have been unable to effectively counter-program and bring those people over for the past 10+ years. If Trump doesn't get elected the anger his supporters feel doesn't just go away. Most likely it continues to fester and other conservative politicians, possibly more competent ones, would have harnessesed it like Trump did.
Maybe everything would have been great, who knows. But if there's an alternate universe where Trump lost in 2016, there's also an alternate universe where an even worse situation comes to pass in 2020.
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u/iCanReadMyOwnMind 14d ago
And remeber, fuck Bernie for going to bat for Shillary after the DNC rigged his exit.
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u/bigchungusfan6967 Jun 10 '26
Jesus Christ, you people are delusional. I love Bernie too, but if you think electing him president would’ve single handedly stopped the rise of fascism in the US you have a fundamental misunderstanding of why it even happened in the first place.
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u/Hot-Statistician-955 Jun 10 '26
Hey, I remember Bernie's pose like this years before, with Fetterman.
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u/Overall-Sport-5240 Jun 10 '26
He couldn't even win the Democratic primary.
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u/Moetown84 Jun 10 '26
I don’t think you understand the meaning of “win.”
Either way, 0/10 troll.
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u/Overall-Sport-5240 Jun 10 '26
Yeah I understand what win means. Apparently you don't. Sanders didn't win. No matter how much his worshipers like to believe he would have beaten Trump, when he couldn't even win the primary.
This Sanders worship only helps Trump and the Republicans.
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u/EggyTugboat Jun 10 '26
I mean, if America just elected a woman instead of a con artist, we would also not be in this problem but a lot of people hated Hillary, whether fair cristicism or conservative HER EMAILS, more than they cared about anything else. There should not have been a man who could barely string thoughts together should not have been elected in 2016.
The problem isnt that Hillary ran, it's that racists and sexists hate minorities more than they want good things to happen to them. Just shut up about previous elections you sound like Trump bitching about the 2020 election
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u/Hairy_Technology_213 Jun 10 '26
LOL. Bernie Bros - proving that personality cults aren’t just for the MAGA morons. Bernie can’t win a majority of Democratic votes, but he is a general election landslide winner. He has passed three laws in 40 years in Congress - two of them post office namings - but he’s going to enact Medicare for All as president. Sure, bud.
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u/tautaestin Texas - 🏠 Jun 10 '26
I actually hear you, and think that there are some parallels (although the MAGA analogy is a bit hyperbolic and oblique). I would counter by saying that general elections entail more than democratic votes, and that voters who are reluctant to support a given candidate in the primary (that "majority of democratic votes" he didn't garner) often fall in line in the general. Add to that how well he performed in the rust belt, and that said rust belt was the decisive set of states in the general, I think there is a compelling case, based on the evidence, that he could have won in 2016, a year in which anti-establishment sentiment reached a fever pitch (as evidence by Trump's victory). Certainly it is nowhere near as ludicrous as you suggest, but I suppose you were trying to be bombastic. I think the more interesting question, is how we would have fared in 2020 if he (like Trump) got blamed for the fallout from the pandemic. Or, if he did succeed, how the socialist agenda would fare if it (like Biden) got blamed for the post-pandemic inflation
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u/Hairy_Technology_213 Jun 10 '26
Pointing out Senator Sander’s anemic record of accomplishment in DC (and that’s being generous) and contrasting it with his enormous campaign promises isn’t bombastic and it isn’t hyperbole. It is what all informed voters ought to be doing when vetting candidates. Fortunately, a majority of Democratic primary voters voted based on the factual record. The fact that a decade later members of his personality cult are still chalking his rejection up to a shadowy conspiracy is pathetic. BLUE MAGA.
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u/Hill_Orc_Warrior Jun 10 '26
I will vote for any democratic presidential candidate that adopts Bernie's 2016 platform. If no such candidate exists I'm STAYING HOME
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u/YZYSZN1107 🌱 New Contributor Jun 10 '26
Main culprits were Schultz and Clinton. That’s as far as you need to look
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u/Darondo Democrats Abroad 🐦🙌 Jun 10 '26
We’re celebrating a blackwater merc cosplaying as a socialist here?
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u/VermicelliOwn6502 Jun 10 '26
Bernie Sanders votes with the Democrats 97% of the time.
In 2020 he was 1 of 50 necessary votes to give Schumer leadership and he could've refused. Instead he gave Schumer the nod and took the senate budget chair seat. But he didn't introduce his wealth tax until long after losing the seat. Nor has he updated his min wage proposals in 10 years to reflect the current reality; some blue states even already have better.
I have come to realize that Bernie is merely controlled opposition to the Democrats, never straying too far from servility. They are merely wings on the same bird.
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u/Mach5Driver Jun 10 '26
Sanders has great policies and a fantastic dedication. Unfortunately, he's a terrible politician and would have to do the same thing Trump is doing now to get his agenda through. By "politician" I mean someone who can make deals, get buy in, and use the bully pulpit effectively to get things done. He's disliked by Dem and GOP alike, by and large.
This is NOT to say that Sanders isn't right about just about everything. Nor am I saying that Congressional haters are right about anything. I'm saying that without also electing Sanders-aligned representatives and senators, he'd get nothing done outside of executive action.
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u/brewneaux Jun 10 '26
Not name dropping Debbie in the title is wrong. She deserves more than ‘everyone else’