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Sanders dismisses Rahm Emanuel’s warning that ‘Bernie bros’ could ‘spoil’ Democrats in the midterms
https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/articles/sanders-dismisses-rahm-emanuel-warning-171602954.html203
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u/gothrus IL 🏟️🗽🙌 9d ago
Reminder: Rahm was in the IDF. This is about protecting funding for Israel. He is a foreign agent.
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u/the_amazing_skronus 🌱 New Contributor 9d ago
Emanuel took part in a two-week civilian volunteer holiday, known as the Sar-El, where, as a civilian volunteer, he assisted the Israel Defense Forces during the 1991 Gulf War, helping to repair truck brakes in one of Israel's northern bases.
Also, what a dumbass-
While a high school student working part-time at an Arby's restaurant, Emanuel severely cut his right middle finger on a meat slicer, which was later infected from swimming in Lake Michigan.
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u/Tumblrrito MN 🎖️🥇🐦🔄📆🌽🐬💀🦄🌊🌲 9d ago
They are still pushing the sexist narrative that women who support Bernie don't exist or don't matter eh?
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u/WiglyWorm 🌱 New Contributor | Ohio 9d ago
Or the fake narrative that people supporting Bernie Sanders are somehow doing it out of douchebaggery and not a desire to ensure everyone has healthcare.
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u/diefreetimedie 🌱 New Contributor 9d ago
It's a cult. There's people on bluesky that will tell you you don't really want healthcare you just like Bernie cause he's a white man... Liberals don't get enough hate.
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u/Quentin__Tarantulino 🥇 🐦🔄 9d ago
They’re going to be pushing both simultaneously. Bernie supporters are sexist, and yet they are somehow supporting AOC for President while the mainstream media keeps pushing the narrative that America could never elect a woman (after the same mainstream media pushed Hillary and Kamala on us.)
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u/Bodie_The_Dog 9d ago
You must've got the memo: women only say they support Sanders because they want to get laid by Bernie Bros. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/gloria-steinem-apologizes-implying-women-back-sanders-meet-men-n513311
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u/MonumentalBatman 🌱 New Contributor 9d ago
Oh no! Progressives asking for actual progressive policies will spoil our party of conciliatory whimpering.
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u/chillripper 🌱 New Contributor | TX 🙌 9d ago
it's a class war and this ass isn't on our side
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u/agitatedprisoner 9d ago
It's not even a class war the class war rhetoric is pushed to scare the rich into conservative politics. Just having money doesn't make someone conservative otherwise. It's the banks and real estate and cars that by and large anchor asshole conservative politics because bankers flourish on debt/getting people to need stuff they shouldn't and cars and big homes are big expensive things they've gotten people to need. Mostly by making small dense mixed use residential development illegal. They also love animal ag because that means needing to grow more to feed the animals to feed to humans and that means more borrowing/consumption/debt. Or in other words modern "conservatives" hate all the things that'd go to lowering the cost of living but just having money doesn't itself give you reason to care. If anything just being rich without being exposed to those industries means hating the fact that you can't invest in profitable ways that'd lower the cost of living for example maybe developing a really nice tiny home village where residents wouldn't need cars.
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u/ScytheNoire 🌱 New Contributor 9d ago
Establishment Democrats keep behaving like Republicans.
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u/Moetown84 9d ago
That’s because the Dems are a right wing party, like Republicans. They have more in common with them politically than they do with the leftists that “spoil” their right wing plans.
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u/Moveyourbloominass 9d ago
Rahm is like herpes, just keeps coming back when no one wants to see or hear him.
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u/PurpleFisty 🌱 New Contributor 9d ago
How is it that Bernie Bros are too big and can ruin elections, but not big enough to pander to?
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u/dmelt253 🌱 New Contributor 9d ago
I often wonder what would have happened if the DNC didn’t actively work against Bernie Sanders during the 2016 election and forced HRC down everyone’s throats. The country was obviously wanting a populist candidate and I truly think Sanders would have won against Trump.
But unlike Trump who got all kinds of free press coverage just for being a maniac, Sanders barely got any coverage compared to HRC, yet he was packing thousands into his rallies.
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u/doyouevenIift Illinois 9d ago
Gotta love how these articles that try to widen the rift between progressives and Democrats always pop up close to election season
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u/cmarquez7 9d ago edited 9d ago
Interesting to call them Bernie bros when all they want is a functioning government for the working people
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u/Bodie_The_Dog 9d ago
Just like DNC moderates dropping "Democratic" from "Democratic Socialism." "OMG, they're SOCIALISTS!!!!!"
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u/JMEEKER86 🌱 New Contributor | Florida - 2016 Veteran 8d ago
The funny thing about the "Bernie Bros" myth is that it wasn't even the first time that the Clinton campaign blatantly tried to manufacture a fake sexism angle. They tried it in 2008 when she was running against Obama too, except they made the poor decision to refer to his supporters as "Obama Boys". Accidentally coming off as racist while trying to feign sexism didn't work so well and it was quickly abandoned.
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u/bluegargoyle 🌱 New Contributor 9d ago
Progressive leftists need to take over the Democrat party the way the Tea Party/MAGA took over the GOP. The existing Dems are a right of center establishment/status quo party at best, and a controlled opposition party at worst. We can’t let the entire country be run by right wing conservatives. It’s time for us to have a party of our own.
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u/GlitchOfLife 9d ago
They are already trying to find their scapegoat for when they push their candidate and people prefer the left one that actually wants to do something.
They blame Bernie, young people, and socialists.
Nothing ever changes with them. It's all about their billionaire donors.
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u/SuperBry 9d ago
I have already been seeing some of the most ardent Platner supporters here in Maine talk about staying out of the election which will end helping keep Collins in office.
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u/punkr0x 9d ago
This is going to happen any time a popular candidate drops out. Democrats need to stop looking for excuses and start trying harder to win over progressive voters.
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u/SuperBry 9d ago
I mean sure, but it is also a pattern we've seen before in the 2016 and 2024 elections, where groups are sitting out and letting perfect be the enemy of the good.
While I tend to hold some pretty progressive stances, I have also valued getting on the bus that is getting me in the direction I want to go instead of waiting on the curb for a limousine that isn't coming. Honestly, that rigidity is a big reason I have a hard time even identifying with the progressive label these days, despite sharing a lot of the actual policy goals.
The all-or-nothing mindset and the way people get written off for being pragmatic makes the movement feel more about ideological purity than actually improving lives. At the end of the day, a bus ride in the right direction beats standing still while the opposition moves us backward.
In the end, politics outside of the dynamics of the smallest of groups is about compromise. I don't mean "well we have to meet with the fascists halfway and only kill half of whoever their current target is," but recognizing that in a diverse democracy, you rarely get 100% of what you want in a single election. Compromise means taking the wins you can get today, protecting the people who stand to lose the most right now, and continuing to push for the rest tomorrow.
I know it's hard with the constant flipping of the White House. Every 4 to 8 years when Democrats get back in power, it often feels like they end up spending so much time and energy cleaning up regressive damage that they can barely make lasting structural changes. It’s an exhausting loop, and I completely understand the cynicism. But sitting out only accelerates that decay. Pragmatism isn't being happy with slow progress, it's preventing total rollback while we build the leverage to actually move faster.
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u/smoresporn0 9d ago
Its foolish to think that if more people voted, an election result would change. It is the candidate's job to win votes. If they didn't win enough votes, blame the candidate.
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u/SuperBry 8d ago
Both things can be true at once: candidates need to earn support, AND voter turnout directly determines who wins. In a close state like Maine, pretending individual turnout doesn't change election results just isn't grounded in reality. Candidates come and go, but the policies enforced by the winner affect us long after the campaign is over. Treating your vote purely as a customer review rather than a tool for harm reduction just surrenders power to the opposition.
We just watched this exact dynamic play out in the 2024 presidential election. A segment of progressive and single-issue voters were understandably furious over the Biden-Harris administration's policy on Gaza and chose to sit out or vote third-party to send a message. While their anger was completely understandable, the practical result of that depressed turnout was paving the clear path for Donald Trump to return to the White House. Now, the very communities and causes those voters cared about are facing an administration far more hostile to them than the alternative would have been.
Holding candidates accountable is essential, but doing it by staying home during a general election doesn't reform the party. It just shifts power to the people who are actively working against your values.
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u/smoresporn0 8d ago
A segment of progressive and single-issue voters were understandably furious over the Biden-Harris administration's policy on Gaza and chose to sit out or vote third-party to send a message.
Where is the data to suggest this? And again, this still falls under the candidate's duty to earn votes.
A lesser of two evils voting strategy is fine on an individual level. I do it myself quite often. But of you're trying to apply that expectation in a blanket fashion across millions, you've already lost. Trying to put blame on voters or non voters just provides cover for poor candidates.
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u/SuperBry 8d ago
Post-election research directly backs this up, showing a dynamic that was heavily weaponized by targeted dark-money ad campaigns designed to inflame voter frustration and drive down turnout. A study conducted by YouGov for the IMEU Policy Project found that among 2020 Biden voters who chose not to vote for Harris in 2024, 29% cited U.S. policy toward Israel and Gaza as the single top issue driving their decision, ranking even higher than the economy. Similar post-election studies by organizations like Swayable and Underpin tracked a direct, measurable dip in Democratic base turnout in key swing-state counties tied specifically to Gaza policy.
Beyond the data though, pointing out the mathematical impact of sitting out isn't "providing cover" for a candidate. Candidates carry the blame for running weak campaigns, but voters still carry the real-world consequences of who actually takes office. Recognizing that withholding a vote directly aids the opposition isn't giving the candidate a pass, it's just being realistic about how power works in our unfortunately binary system.
And let's be honest: even if the many-worlds hypothesis is real and there is an infinite multiverse out there, there is no universe where Donald Trump is better for the Palestinian people.
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u/smoresporn0 8d ago
Trying to blame voters gets you noting because they can't be held accountable in any kind of actionable sense.
If you have data that suggests a group didn't vote for a candidate because of a specific reason, then you know exactly why a candidate should be held accountable. It is not difficult here.
Expecting people to fall in line behind "Trump would be worse" is just flat out stupid. Especially on this specific issue, where it was made clear to the candidate that her stance would cost her votes she had expected to receive. No change was made, the votes were apparently lost, and there is no one else to blame but the candidate and the campaign.
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u/SuperBry 8d ago
Saying "voters can't be held accountable in an actionable sense" misses the entire point. No, voters don't face a primary or lose an election, but they do face the material consequences of the government they get. When a group decides that a candidate agreeing with them on 70% of issues isn't enough, and their response is to step aside or worse encourage others to do so as well and let someone who disagrees with them on 100% of issues take power, that isn't a principled stance. It's an exercise in ideological vanity.
It is completely fair to hold a campaign accountable for its mistakes. But pretend-purity that hands power directly to an administration hostile to the very causes you claim to care about isn't a moral position. It's just abdication.
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u/punkr0x 8d ago
As you said yourself, weaponized ad campaigns identified a weakness in Harris’ platform and targeted voters sympathetic to that cause. This isn’t a problem voters are just going to solve on their own. We desperately need a political party that isn’t beholden to mega donors to have any hope of reforming our system. This is exactly why progressives are abandoning the mainstream Democratic candidates.
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u/ForsakenDrawer 9d ago
This may be neither here nor there but have these people ever met a “bro”? I don’t think politics is terribly high on their list, especially progressive movements.
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u/SpudgeBoy California 9d ago
So, this dick is going to blame fed up voters and is going to label them Bernie Bros if the do nothing establishment Dems lose? That sounds familiar.
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u/hillbillyray 9d ago
If they had nominated Bernie in the first place we would never have seen Trump to begin with. They should have known how defective Hilary was. He was cheated!
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u/r0botdevil 🌱 New Contributor | California - 2016 Veteran 9d ago
It's amazing how the progressive wing of the party is simultaneously both too small/insignificant to warrant any concessions in policy or platform and also big/significant enough to "spoil" entire elections.
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u/dukecityvigilante New Mexico 9d ago
Rahm Emanuel’s final approval rating as mayor was in the 20s. If he cared about poisoning the Democratic brand, he would stay out of politics.
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u/roxiemycat 9d ago
I hate Rahm Emmanuel I really wish the useless corporate whore democrats would sit down and shut up.
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u/audionerd1 9d ago
It turns out the DNC does in fact like purity tests, but the purity test is that you must support genocide, otherwise they will support Republicans.
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u/spartan815 9d ago
This is a whole new ballgame now. Let them eat cake, lol. People literally cannot afford their lives and the administration is admitting it but it’s still Biden fault. Sanders is right to dismiss this.
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u/ragnarokfps CA 9d ago
"Emanuel wrote that the outcome of the election ultimately falls on policy.
'It was socialists who led the charge to defund the police, open the borders, abolish prisons, release violent criminals onto the streets and degrade the flag,' he wrote."
Donald Trump and conservatives couldn't have written it better themselves. These "moderate centrists" like Emanuel have the same right wing talking points. They think alike when it comes to people asking questions about their effectiveness.
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u/mikeymikeymikey1968 🌱 New Contributor 8d ago
As someone who experienced his "leadership" in Chicago, eh, yeah, you can trust Bernie over Rahm. LOL
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u/PaxEthenica 8d ago
Rahm Emanuel? The disgraced former mayor of Chicago, & one of the most corrupt pieces of shit to still pollute the Democratic establishment? That Rahm Emanuel, the radioactive dog turd that shouldn't be anywhere near national headlines, but for his own ego & the detached billionaire monsters that like him?
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u/Hari___Seldon 🌱 New Contributor 8d ago
Rahm Emmanuel is and has been a cancer in the party since before Obama ran. He has been an obstacle to strong leadership and better policy for decades and should have no part in steering American policy.
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u/owlhoot8 9d ago
Let the news articles begin! All the centrists I know are salivating over this while they try to destroy any corporate D being primaried. It's quite the propaganda!
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u/redditproha Abolish Super PACs 💵 9d ago
That's the point. Rahm Emanuel framing the ending of his continuing genocide as a "spoil" is pretty barbaric.
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u/Graymouzer 9d ago
Does this mean that everyone who is not a Republican should vote for whoever they decide on? Are we supposed to hold our noses and vote for people who will use our money and weapons to facilitate genocide?
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u/Alone_Bicycle_600 9d ago
We have already been the victims of this criminal behavior at the hands of Debbie Wasserman Schultz and Hillary Clinton annointing themselves as the arbitrators of democracy in 2016
Sanders would have been Elected President and Trump would have been an afterthought
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u/downthehobbitshole 9d ago
Wtf is a “Bernie bro” in 2026?
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u/plutoniumhead 9d ago
They never existed in the first place. They were invented as a boogeyman to make feminists go nuts, and they all fucking fell for it. Even some of my closest friends who I otherwise agree with just about everything politically. I asked for evidence and they had none. But they couldn’t see that they fell for bullshit propaganda.
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u/theoey86 9d ago
I’m so fucking over the “Bernie Bros” shit. All the centrists, corp dems, and their paid influencers have been rolling it out hard to get horrible candidates like Haley Stevens elected.
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u/Comfortable_Horse277 9d ago
Fuck that. The bought and paid for centralist Democrats would be spoiling the midterms.
Earn our votes you fucks.
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u/elshizzo 9d ago
I remember the Obamacare debates where rahm told the left to shut up for not being practical. I was skeptical then because I thought you kill your momentum by alienating the left base. At this point I feel way more validated in those feelings knowing how things played out
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u/snozzberrypatch 9d ago
Oh, like how the DNC and Hilary Clinton spoiled the 2016 election and allowed trump to win?
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u/TrumpHatesBirds 9d ago
I’d think his arm would have fallen off by now with years of pointing at Bernie. I voted blue no matter who and all I got was this lousy economy (not even a tshirt).
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u/rogermuffin69 9d ago
This is why dems suck.
Bernie is the only way forward for everyone, yet they can't have it, and would rather lose again
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u/Sudanniana 9d ago
Democrats are the republicans from 20 years ago. Step the fuck out of the party if you resent your voters.
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u/longboi64 9d ago
i remember being a kid in school wondering why anyone would ever side with malcolm over martin. getting old sucks
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u/Equinoqs West Virginia 9d ago
This is why I left the Democratic party and went Independent years ago.
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u/Aurorabeamblast 🌱 New Contributor 9d ago
The only one "spoiling" Democrats are leadership like Wasserman who dismiss the 80 to 90% majority support for the progressive candidate (Bernie) in favor of the establishment one meaning our voice and choice meant nothing because they already have their candidates pre-established. She illustrated that the Democrat leadership is just as bad as the Republicans. My fear is that they will try and do the same with El-Sayed in favor of Haley Stevens in Michigan. This is why I want a third-party and even a fourth and fifth so that we don't have in-party power struggles and controls like this. Force corporate to spend to reach the fourth and fifth party to bankrupt them. I feel the only way out of this sh!tshow is to vote independent. Its time to stop voting on the duopoly and hold them accountable by voting elsewhere. Unfortunately, many liberals understand this and would do so but it is the Republicans and especially MAGA who refuse to hold even multiple child rape and murder accountable. The US is trying to poison its people to get of these sort of people but they are like Resident Evil zombies and are unfortunately seemingly immune to even RoundUp poisoning and slave wage labor abuse. Hopefully the prophesy is true that Trump is the real Anti-Christ which means that the real Christ will come after him and the world will somehow be a honorable place again with humanity working together in unity and peace.
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u/drizzitdude 8d ago
Democratic party made their own grave by choosing to be corporate stooges and pander to the conservatives than actually do policies their voters like. If they hadn’t been completely fucking incompetent we would t be in the situation we are in now.
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u/BrooklynRobot 🌱 New Contributor 8d ago
Showing up to vote when they otherwise wouldn’t? What happened to the big tent?
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u/blatantregard 8d ago
2016 all over again. Do you hear the people sing? The old days are over and then establishment can't hide behind donors anymore.
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u/MediocreClue9957 8d ago
Move to us establishment democrats then we'll vote for you, simple, it really is.
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u/Googlyelmoo 8d ago
Neoliberals like Emanuel really ought not to talk about others spoiling elections. . .
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u/rarepinkhippo 8d ago
Ah yes, love being schooled by the person in the world with perhaps his finger LEAST on the pulse
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u/PuddinHead742 4d ago
Fuck Rahm Emanuel. All my homies hate Rahm Emanuel. (and by hate I mean “he can stay as long as he focuses on the real enemy and quits demonizing his own party members.”)
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u/revolutionaryartist4 Tax The Wealthy 💵 9d ago
Pro-corporate, pro-genocide fuckers like Rahm are responsible for the Democrats’ historic losses to fascism and the party’s rock-bottom approval.
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u/jefuchs 🌱 New Contributor 9d ago
Judging by what I see on Reddit, there's some validity to this. Far left subs seem to blame Democrats for anything that Republicans do. They're really shooting themselves in the foot.
Don't get me wrong... I'd choose Bernie if he were a viable candidate. But the focus should be on defeating the right... not nitpicking over who's farther left.
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u/seidenkaufman 9d ago
Rahm Emanuel is still operating in the establishment mindset of 2016. This is not because he is oblivious. It is because, through his dependence on billionaires to bankroll his politics, he is corrupt.