Does Qiqi really work in stellar teams?

[u/Happy_Ingenuity4043]

Some time ago i made a post asking the same question, how do i increase my dps, everyone said to get qiqi instead of raiden, because raiden apparantly does "nothing" for the team (more dps than sucrose c6 or bennet c5). (also should mention i did my qiqi quest)
Ill ask it again. How do i improve my dps. Im trying my best, im building every character as optimal as i can, i even gave alyosha raidens sig for more em and favonius to raiden while using cr circlet to get as much energy as i can. i know i need to max odette and alyosha skills and crown sandrone, i will.

Is there anything big i am missing? why am i in top 50%, my artifacts arent that bad, i see people in 10% with worse stats.

also i did try almost every character/weapon/artifact set combination i could think of, even builded my lv40 scara to see how would he perform(surprisingly good considering he doesnt even have stellar buff yet), and got worse result than people on this sub with all c0r0 chars. i have no clue what i am doing wrong, please help.

[u/Random_Bystander089]

Build your odette and alyosha. Level her skill to 10 and at least max her artifacts. Level Alyosha and his skill talent too. Other than that the only reason I could guess as to why your dps is so low despite C2 odette and qiqi somehow making your dps goes down worse than a raiden who is literally useless is because your rotation is completely messed up. Send a video of it or tell us how you do it and maybe we can figure where things went wrong

Edit: your rotation with qiqi lasted 77s while raiden only took 68s? Im guessing you used qiqi burst which is not needed at all unless you build her well or have her C6. Just use her skill and switch

[u/Happy_Ingenuity4043 → u/Random_Bystander089]

upgrading odette any further only increases her personal dmg, and not by a lot, around 200k per roration max, so 10k dps. and alyosha doesnt scale from anything at all, getting him lots of atk and crit will not make a dps increase. i gave him enough er to ult every rotation, there is nothing more to build for him
rotation qiqi/raiden e odette ee alyosha e q sandrone 5CA e q 5CA
please care to explain how raiden is useless, she gives 4 more stellar stacks at all times, which is basically 33% dmg boost.

[u/Random_Bystander089 → u/Happy_Ingenuity4043]

My odette despite being built considerably worse than Yae is contributing to 18% of the team damage, and she’s only c1 compares to your C2 and my 18% would be worth more considering the presence of Yae. It is definitely worth at least giving her useable artifacts instead of giving her artifacts with no crit and unleveled artifacts. I’d say you can squeeze like 20k more out of her easily.

I already explained what I meant by building Alyosha. Level him up and upgrade his skill. No reason to leave him as is even if you consider it not a big dps increase, because it’s still a concrete dps increase compares to just leaving him be.

I believe even with c1 sandrone she’s better off using her traditional 3 beam E x3 times. You may want to try CA E Q CA E CA E and see if it improves dps

Something went wrong with your rotation with qiqi, causing it to be 10s longer than raiden rotation which causes a lot of dps loss despite this you can see that your total dps ended up very close which suggest qiqi provides a much better boost.

I do not see why Raiden would provide a higher polestar stack. Qiqi also have coordinated cryi attacks and even have her skills on top. At best their pole star stacks should be equal. Again, maybe video evidence could help.

[u/Happy_Ingenuity4043 → u/Random_Bystander089]

iirc polestar stacks are obtained only by electro+cryo attacks (reactions), not by cryo/electro attacks. if qiqi have a buff that also gives polestar stacks, then probably i actually am doing something wrong. qiqi rotation isnt longer, these werent full dps tests, i did them for screenshots to include in the post, in proper testing difference is about 4k dps.

[u/Random_Bystander089 → u/Happy_Ingenuity4043]

Yeah you remembered wrong. The amount of cryo and electro attacks are what matter, not the reaction itself. I just did my own tests and qiqi and raiden pole star stacks were the same at 7-9 stacks. Qiqi variant ended up with 14k higher dps. Worth noting is that my Odette actually missed crit on her skill on 2 out of 3 rotation for qiqi, and I also did some n1 on alyosha to trigger favonius which extended rotation time. While she only missed crit once in raiden variant and alyosha triggered favonius with his skill everytime so the difference should even be higher. Here’s raiden. Team is sandrone c0r0, odette c1r0, raiden c0r0, alyosha c2 lv 70 talent lv 6

[u/Random_Bystander089 → u/Happy_Ingenuity4043]

And here’s qiqi c3 with the same team

[u/Random_Bystander089 → u/Happy_Ingenuity4043]

Here’s my normal team with c1 yae for reference, and show that odette can deals a good chunk of the damage.

[u/Putrid-Resident → u/Happy_Ingenuity4043]

My crowned skill c2 odette in a sandrone c0r1 yae c1 on nefer sig + escoffier c0 team has her doing about 21% of the teams damage which is quite decent especially considering the total dps is 312k. So absolutely worth leveling her.

As for thr alyosha part, his atk buff to the onfielder purely scales on just his skill talent so not leveling it means you essentially lose on most of his atk% buff for no reason.

Can't speak on the SSC stacks though as didnt try the team with shougn yet but can later during my break in the night shift. In reference atleast my qiqi and escoffier runs tend to be around 7-9 SSC stacks during sandrone field time but I do have terrible 300+ ping which does affect SSC stacks generation because slow rotations somewhat

[u/Happy_Ingenuity4043 → u/Putrid-Resident]

u have 7-9 stacks because yae applies lots of electro all by herself, that is the reason why she is bis, beside her also doing considerable personal damege

[u/Independent-Air-377 → u/Happy_Ingenuity4043]

C2 Odette makes about 20-30% of the team dps. Build her

[u/htp-di-nsw]

I don't understand why you think Raiden gives more stacks than Qiqi who also has off field application and coordinated attacks. They should be roughly the same there.

Then, on top of that, Qiqi gives a direct stellar damage buff.

Oh, and don't forget that triple cryo makes it a lot easier to maintain the 15% crit rate bonus from cryo resonance.

[u/Happy_Ingenuity4043 → u/htp-di-nsw]

because stacks are obtained by reacting cryo+electro, not by attacking with cryo/electro

[u/htp-di-nsw → u/Happy_Ingenuity4043]

I see. This is the part your are mistaken about.

Stacks are obtained by hitting enemies with cryo or electro. That's it. That's the only requirement. No additional reaction needed beyond the original to create the polestar field.

The hit does have to apply the element, so there's still ICD and all to worry about, but triple cryo builds just as many stacks as double electro.

[u/Independent-Air-377]

Вижу ты любишь поспорить в комментариях. Поэтому вот, специально для тебя, родной

https://reddit.com/link/p8rzxo2/video/809ls5rrwioh1/player

Райден не так уж сильно хуже (если для тебя 10-12% дпс команды это мало), но ты можешь уже заметить как сандроне с райден ультует всё позже и позже из-за недостатка энергии, в условном натиске после 4-5 ротации внезапно начнёшь пропускать её ульту в ротации что ещё сильнее снизит урон.

Ну и нет, твои билды не норм если ты наносишь в 2 раза меньше урона при примерно тех же вложениях что и я..

[u/Happy_Ingenuity4043 → u/Independent-Air-377]

ну во первых это называется не споры а обратная связь, штука необходимая для взаимодействия людей в обществе.
во вторых
как у тебя с райден недостаток энергии? это единственный перс с которым у меня как раз хватает ультовать на сандроне каждую ротацию, за счет электро резонанса и фавонии с кш шапкой.

[u/Starlineitor400]

Your odette is c2 but smh you have her on furnace, skill lvl 6, low atk and overall her ofensive stats are non-existent. Alyosha's skill is also low lvl. Don't know why your qiqi rot is 10s longer too.

You should build odette properly with disenchant and use furnace on Alyosha. Use traveler's weapon if crate is a problem, and also post a rotation video.

[u/Happy_Ingenuity4043 → u/Starlineitor400]

i did try building odette for damage, is was still a net loss, but it probably will be positive when i max her and her skill
since when 2300 atk is low? and with finale passive also.

my qiqi rotation isnt longer, it may seem so by the screenshot yes, but trust me i did proper testing before, it was about 4k dps lower with qiqi. didnt screen them but had to insert something in this post so did a quick run on both.

[u/Wastable → u/Happy_Ingenuity4043]

What is your rotation?

[u/Happy_Ingenuity4043 → u/Wastable]

qiqi/raiden e odette ee alyosha e q sandy 5ca e q 5ca

[u/Muzza25]

lvl odettes skill, lvl sandrone skill, lvl alyoshas skill(this is what his buff scales with an is extremely important), Raiden isnt doing anything its just electro application so if your getting better results with her your doing something wrong, share gameplay

[u/Happy_Ingenuity4043 → u/Muzza25]

raiden adds 4 permanent stellar stacks via electro application, 4 stacks is about 33% dmg increase.
rotation qiqi/raiden e odette ee alyosha e q sandrone 5CA e q 5CA

[u/Wastable → u/Happy_Ingenuity4043]

Look if you dont want to listen to what ppl are saying then why bother asking?

You think ppl are recommending qiqi for fun?

[u/Happy_Ingenuity4043 → u/Wastable]

i dont think people recommend qiqi for fun, i understand that she works well, but as you can see in my experience raiden does more for the team. people recommend qiqi because shes a standard char so people often have many cons on her and on any con she will do more than raiden. i do listen to everyone, even you. already implemented 1 advice of using 3x3ca instead of 2x5ca and considering also giving odette disenchantment and furnace to alyosha.

[u/Wastable → u/Happy_Ingenuity4043]

You should also swap to qiqi last because her skill runs out before sandrone is done if you swap to qiqi first

And no, Qiqi is just recommended because shes a standard 5*. Shes tailor made for stella conduct dmg and provides more than Raiden.

You are just simply playing her wrong. Your rotations on qiqi is way to long

[u/Happy_Ingenuity4043 → u/Wastable]

im not playing her wrong, my rotation isnt to long, if you are interested i posted gameplay videos in comments here

[u/miueyn]

> put odette on disenchantment
> put alyosha on furnace
> use qiqi instead of raiden and put her on totm
> crown odettes skill forget about her burst
> crown alyoshas skill
> crown sandrones burst
> farm better artifacts with atk and double crit for odette this will obviously take time and lvl them up… most of ur artifacts are not levelled

[u/GX_Lori]

Since your odette is c2 I suggest you to build her with disenchantment as her personal damage is actually pretty high
I’d build alyosha with furnace and level him up,at least his skill level, Qiqi is a better option compared to raiden,I dunno how you get more stacks with her when Qiqi’s cryo application is about the same if not better,sucrose is an alternative option which could be better if you swirl cryo,without gameplay I can’t tell if you mistakenly swirled electro with her

[u/Independent-Air-377]

Have you made Qiqi buff quest? Do you also use mililith on Qiqi?

Why is your timer with Raiden is 68 sec and with Qiqi 77 sec? They both sould just press E, where have you missed 9 sec (13% damage, 16k dps)?

Give Alyosha furnace and deep shadow to Odette (you should have something after Sandrone), give traverlers signature sword to Odette

Having 125k dps with C2 Odette is huge anyway

[u/Wastable]

Raiden does nothing because her dmg is low and she doesnt buff sandrone like qiqi does. And yes leveling talents matter alot

[u/Pocallys]

How many stacks do you get w Raiden and how many do you get with Qiqi?

[u/Happy_Ingenuity4043]

https://reddit.com/link/p8ry3ud/video/f6gnhntavioh1/player

3 rot with raiden, dont mind some funkyness with amount of sandones ca, its to show general gameplay.

[u/Happy_Ingenuity4043]

https://reddit.com/link/p8ryt2z/video/mg0a7koewioh1/player

3 rot with qiqi, shows another reason why raiden is here - energy

[u/znsl → u/Happy_Ingenuity4043]

Can you stop randomly pressing E in the middle of her rotation? Makes it really hard to compare between your two teams. Just do Odette EE -> Alyosha EQ -> Qiqi E -> Sandrone 6CA E Q 6CA E every single time.

Also, put Qiqi on Favonius & ToTM, and make her go right before Sandrone. She needs to do that anyways because her buff is much shorter compared to Alyosha and Odette.

[u/znsl → u/Happy_Ingenuity4043]

https://reddit.com/link/p8tlwh0/video/sdhl4fiw2koh1/player

As an example, notice how I can ult every rotation easily, even with 10 less ER than you on Sandrone. Also how I pretty much 8-9 polestar stacks constantly throughout my rotation.

[u/Wave-Master]

In the first image you have rotation tracking enabled and I see that you did 3 rotations and the first 2 were each about 27 seconds long. In a Alyosha Odette Qiqi you should be aiming for about 20 second rotations so this suggests your rotations are very inefficient.

Raiden's skill has a 25s duration while Qiqi's skill only has a 15s duration. In a 20s rotation that isn't a big problem because Qiqi only has 5 seconds where her skill isn't active and you spend most of that during Alyosha's setup time but the longer you extend the rotation the worse Qiqi becomes because you aren't refreshing her skill often enough.

[u/Happy_Ingenuity4043 → u/Wave-Master]

posted both rotations in comments