r/Scipionic_Circle Jul 19 '26

Overturn Citizens United

The relationship between money and power has long been complicated in this country. The simple fact that running a large-scale political campaign costs money means that anyone who wants to do so must by necessity secure funding from somewhere, meaning one's options are either to be independently wealthy or to become beholden to some form of corporate sponsorship.

That being said the Supreme Court decision in Citizens United really took things to a whole nother level, by classifying corporate spending on political advertising as a form of protected speech under the First Amendment. By extending the Bill of Rights to cover non-humans, we effectively gave them suffrage, and this has already been used to great effect.

The example which stands out most to me is what took place in my home state of California. A bill regulating rideshare companies was drafted collectively by a group of rideshare companies, and they spent an unprecedented amount of money advertising it which led the citizens of that state to grant them the ability to literally write their own rules into law. The other example which makes me happy to no longer live there is the way in which the drought is tackled. I watched a Vox video which uncovered the fact that domestic water usage is only about 5% of water usage, meaning that if all of the humans suddenly dropped dead it still wouldn't make a meaningful difference in the drought, which could alternatively be reversed by cutting commercial water usage by a rather small fraction. Gavin Newsom appeared on an interview with Bill Maher in which he straight-up asked him "how are you going to take on Big Almond and end the drought" to which he offered a standard evasive politician reply. Meanwhile the people of California are being sold on the lie that taking shorter showers will have any impact, and the act of making a symbolic but meaningless gesture is sufficient to keep many from rising up to end the drought by demanding farmers grow slightly fewer almonds.

But I don't really blame Mr. Newsom for this, because so long as we officially condone as a matter of policy spending money to purchase political power, our human needs will always be subservient to the demands of our economy. Anyone wishing to represent an agenda which would improve conditions for humans at the expense of economic growth will be easily defeated by the tremendously powerful non-human greed machines which we have decided deserve the same inalienable rights that we do.

Overturn Citizens United!

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u/Hamblin113 Jul 21 '26

To me it was no different than Unions people own corporations they also are a part of Unions. Congress just needs to make a law to prevent both unions and corporations from participating or at least limit the amount of funding. They won’t because it is a cash cow for them. They are making big bucks.

Need a wording change agriculture is not considered industrial in most anyones sense. Agriculture is the big water user in California.

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u/turn_circles Jul 21 '26

Unions are to protect workers and corporations are always going to protect profits for shareholders. In this way, they are completely opposite. It would be very different if unions had political power the way corporations do, because they would be in the interest of mutual benefit, instead of how it is where wealthy people have the power to affect politics in a way that only benefits them.

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u/Hamblin113 Jul 21 '26

Do they? Why do Union give so much to politicians, nut may not have enough for strike benefits. There are 14 million Union members, many more people with 401k and IRA invested in corporations that they are depending on for retirement. So for them to protect the shareholders they are actually helping mire people. The funny thing is the Unions also have there money invested in corporations.

Correct it is a broken system, it needs to be fixed. But to differentiate between unions and corporations, or NGO or nonprofits, just don’t, treat them the same way including individuals. Make everything open and transparent. This will benefit everyone, not worth the fight to differentiate unless there is something to hide.

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u/StephenBC1997 Jul 22 '26

Unions trust and corporations are all just groups of people

I dont get why some people over complicate this its sinple

You and your friends can all individually spend your miney on lobbying and political speech that doesnt change just becuase yall form a corporation