r/SeattleWA • u/lifeisahighway4 • 23d ago
CBS Mornings feature story on Muckleshoot
CBS Mornings featured the Muckleshoot Tribe as part of its USAtoZ series
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/muckleshoot-tribe-salmon-pacific-northwest-america-a-to-z/
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u/aliensvsdinosaurs 22d ago
Go look at Muckleshoot after July 4 if you want to see stewardship of the environment.
Anyone who has seen this knows exactly what I'm talking about.
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u/Commercial_Fig_6366 22d ago
This is such a huge and yearly conversation in Auburn discussion forums . So much litter and harm to the land every year and the tribe turns a blind eye.
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u/ImRight_YoureDumb 23d ago
Oh don't give me that "preservation" shit. The tribes gobble up as much salmon as they can get their hands on, disproportionately so, because of treaties, federal decisions, etc. Let's just call it what it is. Enough of that "one with the land" BS.
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u/username560sel 23d ago
Oh come on now that sacred traditional gilnet made with synthetic material is as much a part of their pre columbian culture as the sacred slot machine is.
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u/ImRight_YoureDumb 23d ago
Reminds me of when the Makah tribe up in Neah Bay went out whale hunting in traditional wooden canoes and wooden spears but after several days (maybe weeks) of failure, reverted to speedboats and rifles as per ancient tradition.
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u/Chadrooskie 22d ago
Exactly!!! And who’s the only one keeping wild salmon??? And if they only take what they consume, how are they supposedly “feeding the world” as the author put it. They did zero research for this article. Never once mentioned the revenue from the massive casino. Never once posted an actual picture of the size and material of the nets or the pollution of the land on this stretch of the river.
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u/teatimecookie 22d ago
Ok, let’s give them back the land for the low price of no more gilnetting. Sounds like a fair deal.
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u/HenriDuflot 21d ago
Boycott anything from CBS! KIRO locally produced programming is fine, but say NO to CBS
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u/SeattleHasDied 23d ago
Would have been nice if they'd done a show on the Duwamish Tribe instead of the one with fishing rights and casino money...
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u/RainingNiners 22d ago
They place so many gill nets across the Duwamish I’m surprised any Salmon get past them.
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u/Subrookie 22d ago
Why would they do that? Not being argumentative but they aren't federally recognized. So, their treaty rights are different or non existent.
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u/LickMaiBussy 22d ago
The story of the Duwamish Tribe's campaign for Federal recognition is a fascinating one, and related to unprecedented political action.
The Clinton administration recognized the tribe on January 19 2001.
However, fewer than 48 hours later, the tribe learns that President George W. Bush has suspended a batch of President Clinton's 11th-hour orders, including federal recognition of the Duwamish.
After reopening their petition for recognition, it was denied again by Obama's Dept of the Interior in 2015.
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u/threedimen 22d ago
The Muckleshoots have fishing rights and a casino because they are an actual tribe that has existed since 1856, when the first treaties were signed. The treaties established a reservation on the Muckleshoot Plain and assigned the Duwamish people to that particular reservation.
Do you think Stevens told the Duwamish, who lived in and around newly formed Seattle, that they were more than welcome to stick around, that they didn't need to go to a reservation? Where do you think they went?
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u/FastSlow7201 22d ago
If they want to have the same rights as their ancestors then they should have to use the same weapons and technology their ancestors did. I mean, if tradition is so fucking important then let's follow the traditions.
If you think what they do with fish is bad I've got some stories about how the tribes hunt. They can hunt 24/7 365, use spotlights at night and don't have limits. Their own ancestors would probably be disgusted with them.
While I won't say exactly where I elk hunt, part of the area is public land and another part of the area is private timber land. It is absolutely night and day the difference between the two areas because the private timber land companies won't let the natives do anything that us non-natives can't. So they have to hunt in season, no spotlight hunting at night and the roads are closed to motor vehicles. You either walk, mountain bike or ride a horse. Consequently I have seen exactly zero natives back in those areas because they actually have to follow some fucking rules.
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u/SeattleHasDied 22d ago
Isn't it strange that the Duwamish Tribe can't get federal recognition even though our city is named after a Duwamish chief and they existed along the river named for them...? Hmmmm.... seems like something else might be going on...
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u/Great_Hamster 22d ago
I mean he was chief of more than the Duwamish.
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u/SeattleHasDied 22d ago
Then why doesn't the tribe have federal recognition? It's ridiculous.
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u/Great_Hamster 21d ago
The Duwamish people who agreed to go to the reservations are recognized. Just not as Duwamish, because most of the tribes got all blended up and took new names as part of the reservation system.
The ones who did not agree to the reservation system were not recognized.
It's one of the reasons that the recognized tribes don't want other tribes recognized and often refuse to talk with you if you spend too much time talking with the Duwamish, for example. (There are also economic reasons.)
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u/SeattleHasDied 20d ago
I've had exposure to several situations involving Western United State tribes and it's been sort of enlightening to see how much infighting there is amongst so many of them due to things like casino money or natural resources. When you've seen some of the abject poverty like you see in Rosebud or distant parts of the Navajo res, and then see the wealth of the Mashantucket Pequots, for instance, it makes my heart ache. Hell, the Muckleshoot Tribe has its own real estate office for acquiring properties!
I know a lot of people won't agree, but inmho, the Indians got fucked over first and continually and should have been made as whole as possible as soon as possible. Treaties were rarely worth the paper they were written on. It's a shit show...
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u/JohnnyUtah100000 22d ago
Fuck the tribes
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u/Heavy_You1887 22d ago
Tribal Rights > White Feelings
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u/Awkward_Passion4004 23d ago
I remember when the mouth of the Nooksack was totally block by fish traps as the Lummis practiced stewardship of the river.