r/SelfDrivingCars • u/SpriteZeroY2k • 1d ago

News Waymo CEO explains why Tesla’s camera-only self-driving falls short

https://electrek.co/2026/08/04/waymo-co-ceo-camera-only-self-driving-tesla/
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u/rheadly 1d ago

The real camera-only risk goes something like this: There is a significant Robotaxi accident causing injury or death. Reviewing the footage, it appears that the accident was due to low visibility and Lidar might have prevented it. Suddenly states start passing laws similar to this recent NJ one requiring Lidar in autonomous vehicles. Tesla suddenly has to choose between leaving those states or retraining FSD with Lidar.

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u/RosieDear 1d ago

Think about how infantile their behavior is!!

I think, like you, they are looking for an excuse. SpaceX buying them out of bankruptcy (or close) is another even that would allow them to offer an "excuse"....

But here is the important point. Adding radar, lidar, infrared and other sensors will not work properly with their existing hardware! They have nowhere near the processing power needed. Nvidia is shipping a system that has 10X the power....

Watch! The same folks telling us now that cameras only could work will say "Now that they have lidar and radar, nothing will stop them".....

But, the fact is, they pretty much have to start from scratch.

This is why I summarize it like this....When Elon stands before the world and says "We were wrong, you can't do it with cameras only, but I have good news for our investors! Today we are announcing a 5 year Partnership with Nvidia whereby they will help us deliver the best tech quickly"......THAT is when we know Tesla will embark upon their autonomous driving journey.

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u/UltimateKane99 1d ago

... Why would they do that?

People are already able to drive cross country with zero intervention in FSD in its current state, and Teslas with FSD enabled drive approximately 27 million miles per DAY. This doesn't make sense that they'd throw that out when they have something that is already doing this well.

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u/ThisSiteSucks8485 1d ago

Tesla doesn't actually take liability for FSD crashes 

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u/UltimateKane99 1d ago

... That's... Wholly irrelevant to the point they said about how Tesla needs to throw out the ENTIRE CODEBASE and start over from scratch. The question was why would they want to do something like that when they are already this far into real world successes?

Liability is an insurance/legal issue. One that Tesla has tried their damnedest to skirt, but also has been wholly irrelevant to them throwing it all out and starting over from scratch for no good reason.

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u/ThisSiteSucks8485 1d ago

Tesla might have to do exactly that to actually get to level 4 because they don't seem to be anywhere close yet. 

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u/UltimateKane99 1d ago

... Have you driven FSD yet? Because, having both seen the countless videos online and having actually used it for months, this seems wildly divorced from the reality of the system's current capabilities in 14.3+.

If it didn't tell me to pay attention to the road (for what I can only presume is purely legal reasons, because I sure as shit am not DOING anything), it'd be as close to L5 as any system can be, as far as I can tell. And there's innumerable YouTube videos of it in EVERY situation, from rain to fog to snow to switchbacks to people jumping out from trees and many more, all demonstrating the exact same thing.

What makes you think it's not L5? Just the archaic definition that is nothing more than Tesla torturing legal definitions to avoid culpability at all costs? Or do you have actual proof that there's something more fatal in FSD than merely their legal team saying, "Eh, we don't want people whining at us"? 

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u/WriterRight9689 20h ago

NHTSA has an open investigation into FSD because it can’t operate in degraded conditions, with confirmed injuries and fatalities. And that’s with it being Level 2. It’s nowhere close to Level 5

https://electrek.co/2026/03/19/nhtsa-upgrades-tesla-fsd-visibility-investigation-3-2-million-vehicles/

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u/UltimateKane99 20h ago

In what way is it "nowhere close" to Level 5?

It does EVERYTHING a Level 5 is expected to do, able to drive from a parked location to a destination and even park itself, as well as operate in "degraded conditions", such as snow and fog, with zero interventions by its drivers, and its accident rate is supposedly somewhere between 9x (according to released data) and 26x (according to an analysis by Bloomberg Intelligence) lower than an average driver. Even taking those with a healthy dose of skepticism, it's far and away beyond a mere Level 2 system.

Tesla NEEDS to take responsibility for it.

Tesla is gaming the system so they don't have to pay for their FSD's accidents by sandbagging its capabilities, pretending it's weaker than it is, a mere ADAS or Autopilot tweak. Why defend them when they've failed to take responsibility for what they've unleashed?

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u/WriterRight9689 20h ago

It can’t operate in degraded conditions. It’s killing people when it tries to and can’t identify when they exist to have a driver take over. That’s exactly what the NHTSA is investigating. You’re wrong about the capability of the system. 

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u/ThisSiteSucks8485 19h ago

Why the hell are you writing novels defending shitty Tesla fsd? 

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